MCU Thor & Ikaris vs DCEU/SC Justice League + Shazam

Bloodlusted flash with SC feats carry

Any marvel solo

Supes solos

If from what I hear from enternals movie, Clark solos, his team isn’t needed here

Ikaris solos

@supermanwin1875: what exactly am I supposed to see that supposed to convince me otherwise lol

@spongegar: Apparently dispersing a cloud is now a country level feat, ignore the wank lmao

@spongegar:

Ikaris dispersed country-sized clouds to nothing.

Made it to the sun in a matter of seconds

Reached the sun's core without any burns

@spongegar: if you know anything about science, he basically cleared up millions of tons of clouds without trying

@graysonblake: same flash that got nearly KOd running into Aquaman? While moving far slower then FTL?

Combine all of Clark's shockwaves together they still won't be comparable to this

Really factbro?

"Country sized clouds"

Can see Ikaris in comparison to the country sized clouds

I guess Ikaris is island sized

Lol at a bloodlusted Flash doing anything here. He breaks his hand on either of the duo.

Well said… that’s one insane shockwave.

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For everyone reading along, cloud dispersal calcs have been used forever in debates, we can’t just throw that away because the MCU has one… look at this vs wiki thread.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Cloud_Calculations

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Or if you don’t like vs wiki, look up how mush a cloud weighs.. then imagine a shockwave that moves all that water for 100s of miles in every direction.. that’s a insane shockwave.

Visible from hundreds of miles up where you can see other continents

So was Ikaris

@graysonblake: I'll show you later :D

Pfft, NO

This is a stomping the JL will never forget.

100s of miles seems like wank

Again in this shot curvature doesnt seem usable as the clouds were much closer. Id wait for HD release to compare the size of dispersion to cloud height to get a better estimate.

So you think scale was off in the scene?

Also another weird thing, while Ikaris was flying up nothing happened in ground level shot

Where are the DCEU fans now, touting the impressiveness of their shockwaves? Have they slunk beneath their burrows, or pretend to never have made the meme in the first place? 'Tis their fear of the Eternal power, of Sun-fired Ikaris!

Fair point, Baalhaddad! But remember that by this very line of logic, DCEU Earth is island sized as well! After all, the 4 mile region of Gotham Harbor took a great area on a shot of the Earth!

https://www.artofvfx.com/batman-v-superman-dawn-justice-guillaume-rocheron-vfx-supervisor-mpc/

"Early on in the final battle, Doomsday unleashes a giant burst of energy over the Gotham port, transforming the terrain of the 2 miles radius area into black streaky rocks,"

Gigaton level total energy i guess but doesnt directly translate to AP since its done over miles of flight instead of a short strike so likely in megatons for AP? Based on this feaf alone tho during the rest if the movie he seems far below this level

100 miles seems right(but even if it’s a lot less its still island level+), curvature seems fine, that’s how every other calc like this is done.

Idk man, seems like he dispersed a lot of clouds and cloud dispersal feats have always been a thing…that’s a big shockwave, pushing a lot of water… I respect it.

@rajjarsalt said:

@baalhaddad said:

"Country sized clouds"

Can see Ikaris in comparison to the country sized clouds

I guess Ikaris is island sized

Fair point, Baalhaddad! But remember that by this very line of logic, DCEU Earth is island sized as well! After all, the 4 mile region of Gotham Harbor took a great area on a shot of the Earth!

https://www.artofvfx.com/batman-v-superman-dawn-justice-guillaume-rocheron-vfx-supervisor-mpc/

"Early on in the final battle, Doomsday unleashes a giant burst of energy over the Gotham port, transforming the terrain of the 2 miles radius area into black streaky rocks,"

LMFAO

That definitely looks like 100s of miles

Ikaris is also way out in space when you see it disperse

That boi is fast

you can see the traces of continents as he's rising and as he looks back at it, so the cloud formation overall is properly sized. He's somewhere between North and South America, maybe in Central? I imagine a better quality version will provide better details.

@rajjarsalt said:

@baalhaddad said:

"Country sized clouds"

Can see Ikaris in comparison to the country sized clouds

I guess Ikaris is island sized

Fair point, Baalhaddad! But remember that by this very line of logic, DCEU Earth is island sized as well! After all, the 4 mile region of Gotham Harbor took a great area on a shot of the Earth!

https://www.artofvfx.com/batman-v-superman-dawn-justice-guillaume-rocheron-vfx-supervisor-mpc/

"Early on in the final battle, Doomsday unleashes a giant burst of energy over the Gotham port, transforming the terrain of the 2 miles radius area into black streaky rocks,"

If DCEU Earth is island sized due to 4 miles being able to be seen there then MCU Earth is city block sized

That just proves my point btw

@nwname:

@baalhaddad said:

@rajjarsalt said:

@baalhaddad said:

"Country sized clouds"

Can see Ikaris in comparison to the country sized clouds

I guess Ikaris is island sized

Fair point, Baalhaddad! But remember that by this very line of logic, DCEU Earth is island sized as well! After all, the 4 mile region of Gotham Harbor took a great area on a shot of the Earth!

https://www.artofvfx.com/batman-v-superman-dawn-justice-guillaume-rocheron-vfx-supervisor-mpc/

"Early on in the final battle, Doomsday unleashes a giant burst of energy over the Gotham port, transforming the terrain of the 2 miles radius area into black streaky rocks,"

If DCEU Earth is island sized due to 4 miles being able to be seen there then MCU Earth is city block sized

That just proves my point btw

My arguments on DCEU Earth's size is based on real numbers from real evidence, not perspective manipulation like what you did here. You didn't show any numbers and went straight to your conception of people sized relative to planet. If I stooped that low I would use DCEU humans being = to CW humans in size, which then extends to DCEU Earth ~ CW Earth. In which case I can concede your claim of city block sized MCU Earth and still win the argument.

But since MCU Earth has better numbers from real evidence (Thor's 100 mile quote in Age of Ultron, Coulson manning a Quinjet 8 miles away from Soleski plaza, Rhodey's supersonic trip across an ocean that would take more than an hour), I win on my superior level of debating as well.

Look at that, Ikaris is the size of Earth!

cope

You're showing the size of the Earth relative to the entire sun while you can't even see 10% of it in relation to Ikaris in the first pic 🤦‍♀️