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#1 Posted by Subline (7847 posts) - - Show Bio

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Rules:

  • In Character.
  • Start 20 Feet Apart.

Rounds:

  1. H2H.
  2. Standard Gear.
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#2 Edited by The_Magister (13934 posts) - - Show Bio
  1. May takes it in a very uneven affair. Better hand to hand combat ability. More skilled, hits harder, faster, better. She takes down HYDRA agents, Kree, Remorath, LMDs, and special ops soldiers with utmost efficiency. It's pretty much a slaughterhouse in which Frank gets tossed aside like a disobedient child.
  2. May in a halfway decent fight. Frank's suppression skills & use of mass fire are excellent, but May's flexibility and agility combined with her ability to shoot in motion are too much. Even so, Frank's that good - he can make this competitive. But he's never winning.
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#14 Edited by jayc1324 (26422 posts) - - Show Bio

May

Frank

Both are good fights. I know May is a lot more skilled than Frank but his skill is still underrated, and Frank does have advantages in durability, size and strength. His striking power is also enough to knock Daredevil to the ground with a punch through his bulletproof helmet. She is faster too but I always fall back on the fact that he was able to tag Daredevil and that Daredevil himself said he was fast to prove he can tag street level martial artists or at least grab them, which is what he needed to do to land a hit on Matt at first. May will also have a hard time actually knocking him out, considering Fisk did not cause him any injury after beating on him.

For round 2, May is going to be a hard target due to her agility and aim dodging. But at the end of the day Frank is more accurate, wears a bulletproof vest as his standard gear, and is a lot better with guns. May may be cavalry in hand to hand but Frank is like a SEAL team when it comes to guns.

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#16 Posted by ANTHP2000 (26940 posts) - - Show Bio

May humiliates him both rounds.

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#18 Posted by AngelJax (11655 posts) - - Show Bio

May wrecks him both rounds. Entirely separate tiers.

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#21 Posted by el-kun (462 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: Frank took out six guys in like 2 seconds and dey didn't fire a single shot, show me any may shooting feats close to dat

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#22 Posted by deactivated-5c830d4e319e6 (4952 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: May

Round 2: Frank

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#23 Posted by deactivated-5c6c427da31ab (357 posts) - - Show Bio

May stomps

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#24 Edited by The_Magister (13934 posts) - - Show Bio

@el-kun:

This comes down to a few factors for me.

May's great with pistols, though Frank is also really good. They're pretty comparable, though with differing styles. Frank has a great quickdraw feat & loves to overwhelm enemies with suppressive fire, but May is generally better at shooting while in motion & she's also ambidextrous in dual wielding.

Her quickdraw is good as well.

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In the second gif, she takes out 2 guys in half a second
In the second gif, she takes out 2 guys in half a second

The major obstacle she'll have to overcome is the fact that Frank is as accurate as she is, and he generally uses weapons that have a much higher rate of fire.

She can also flip through gunfire:

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Her speed and agility are top-notch.

IMO, it really comes down to speed vs suppression.

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#26 Posted by AngelJax (11655 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_magister: Just becuase May doesn't prefer to use higher caliber guns doesn't mean she doesn't know how. She was teaching Daisy how to fight sniper rifles. (Meaning she had to have gone through training with them herself). She's also compared to Ward and Widow a bunch and they're both expert weapons specialists and are exceptional gun handlers. May has gone through (mostly) the same training regime as them and has even been referred to have been cut by the same cloth as them.

Anyway I think you said it best yourself here

They're pretty comparable, though with differing styles. Frank has a great quickdraw feat & loves to overwhelm enemies with suppressive fire, but May is generally better at shooting while in motion & she's also ambidextrous in dual wielding.

While Frank spams suppressive fire, May's gonna come out and do something like this

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This is all based off of the Punisher I know from DD and his solo series though. So who knows maybe he did get significantly better in S2. I wouldn't really know.

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#27 Posted by ANTHP2000 (26940 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: I don't wank Frank. You consistently lowball him. Sure he's not some master martial artist on par with May/Bobbi, but his efficiency as a soldier is top class. He has great pain tolerance, great firearms skills, and great tactical skills.

WHATEVER.

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#28 Posted by Paytience (4899 posts) - - Show Bio

Uuhhh...am I the only on ewho didn't Punisher season 2 released. Wth? Downloading now. I might have to amend my reviews because I was dumb and not paying attention in other threads.

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#29 Edited by rogueshadow (29265 posts) - - Show Bio

@angeljax said:

@the_magister: Just becuase May doesn't prefer to use higher caliber guns doesn't mean she doesn't know how.

He didn't say she that doesn't know how, he pointed out that Frank's standard gear usually includes weapons with a much higher fire-rate, which is true. May's ability to use semi-automatic rifles/carbines and the like isn't relevant if she doesn't have them.

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#30 Posted by el-kun (462 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_magister: exactly dude, castle wasnt made to be d best Martial artist but he can hold his own combined with his master fire arms expertise he is top notch, and I Hav a feeling it will come down to tolerance I see castle taking multiple shots and still standing, while after a few rounds may will go down, cause dey both great shooter and dey will tag each other, I mean did u see castle pain tolerance one might even say it clearly surpasses matt own ,I think he even has d best in live action right now

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#31 Edited by The_Magister (13934 posts) - - Show Bio

@el-kun: Frank's pain tolerance is not human. Like, it's actually ludicrous.

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#33 Edited by el-kun (462 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_magister: yea is why I think he will beat most in a gun fight, and he uses suppressive fire arms rather Dan others who go for precision, I mean all my life watching I Hav never seen anyone remotely close to frank tolerance not even super soldiers

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#34 Posted by IndomitableRegal (15886 posts) - - Show Bio

May both rounds. The first is just completely unfair to Frank.

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#37 Posted by TheSuperor (6685 posts) - - Show Bio

May wins

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#39 Posted by Psy-Scarlet (788 posts) - - Show Bio

May stomps

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#40 Posted by The_Magister (13934 posts) - - Show Bio

@amcu The idea of a h2h round existing here must make your blood boil.

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#41 Posted by Amcu (16655 posts) - - Show Bio

@amcu The idea of a h2h round existing here must make your blood boil.

It doesn't make my blood boil. But it still shouldn't be here.

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#42 Posted by ANTHP2000 (26940 posts) - - Show Bio

@amcu: Well it makes my blood boil.

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#43 Posted by deactivated-5cadf799d578c (401 posts) - - Show Bio

Frank stomps all rounds

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#44 Posted by ANTHP2000 (26940 posts) - - Show Bio
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#45 Posted by deactivated-5cae4704c27f5 (1660 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, May crushes.

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#46 Posted by The_Magister (13934 posts) - - Show Bio

Ends in sex.

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#48 Posted by Helloman (29799 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate.