MCU Thanos vs. MCU Arishem

How many infinity stones Thanos need to take down the most powerful and the oldest Celestial?

Round 1: Thanos with Power Stone

Round 2: Thanos with Power and Space stones

Round 3: Thanos with Power, Space, and Reality stones

Round 4: Thanos with Power, Space, Reality and Soul stones

Round 5: Thanos with Power, Space, Reality, Soul and Time stones

Round 6: Thanos with Full Infinity Gauntlet

At least 5

If he is jobbing 6.

All of them

He is going to need at least the Power Stone. He could take it with this, but likely not. He might have to use a combo of Power and Reality.

6

Maybe 1 if he's close enough. But Idk how well a celestial would resist the power stone if it was used to planet bust. 6 is the safest bet since they'll probably start a good distance away from each other and snapping an opponent away ignores durability.

Thanos stomps this fodder with no diff

celestials overrated af, show me celestials busting half the universes with a snap of there finger

Five stones is a safe guess as Ultron was able to destroy galaxies with only five.

@vex_haid: Thanos didn’t bust half the universe. He could, but he didn’t.

he did bust half the universe

what show are u watching bro

thanos didn't just bust half the universe but he busted the half of the universes infinite TIMELINES + parrel halfs

:)

But the Infinity stones don't affect celestials even if you snap it wouldn't affect the celestials correct me if I am wrong

If I am wrong then arishem stops at 6

@vex_haid: you mean movie? Can you post him destroying half of the universe then?

Did

A newborn Celestial can violently destroy a planet and no sell it. So they are bare minimum planet level physically. We see them create stars and galaxies as Arishem is doing his monologue as well. I would say he would need at least the power, space, reality, and time stone to beat one. Probably would need 5 to defeat one.

@vex_haid: no you didn’t

@ecoblitz: Ok

All the stones, New born celestial literally no sells planet busting and the power stone wielded by a celestial is only surface wiping come on now.

Add the Arishem is upper body is already as big as earth and the vast cosmic energy he wields.

3 stones, maybe 4

soul space and time should be enough if not then add power stone and thanos wins for sure

At least 4 stones

4 minimum

Stops at 6

If Thanos tries to planet bust he's hurting himself more then the celestial.

@goldeneagle: seeing the celestial being all intimidating because of their size makes me even more anticipated into how galactus will be presented.

@rjr: Yeah. He is gonna hopefully look dope.

Arishem created the stones when he created the big bang

He turns angry purple shrek into a turnip or spawns a black hole on top of him

All of them and even then I don't think he would win. Considering Ultron Vision one shot him while he had 5 stones imagine what Arishem would do to him

Arishem

Do we even know if the infinity stones can affect Celestials?

All of them multiplied by 5.

He didn't even have time to use any of them agaisnt Ultron because he got blitzed. So not really a fair comparison.

If he gets all 6 stone and use the snap early on, Arishem should be dusted but it depends on whether you believe the stones could affect the celestials or not.

Arishem stomps, thanos could use all the infinity stones he wants but it wouldnt work

The Stones dont effect the celestials, thanos could try to do with what strange did and make a time loop in case he dies, but whats to say arishem cannot just one shot him before he could react?

But why though ?

The Celestials are higher interms of power, and can pretty much warp reality. They can negate the effects of the stones

Somewhere from 3 to 5. Reality + Power + Space should be enough of a combo to deal with him.

Arishem is above the stones he existed before they did

According to a VFX interview, Arishem was responsible for causing the Big Bang. It was also said that he created the first Sun and brought light across the Universe. These statements, along with the fact that we saw Celestials create stars and galaxies on screen, puts Arishem on another level. Also, due to him existing before the Universe, he should transcend Space-Time. That would make Arishem 4-D at the very least. This means that the effects of most Stones would be ineffective, therefore Thanos would need all 6 Stones at most.

The one who was crippled from wiping half of the living

vs

The one who created the universe and tank/no sold the initial expansion

tough choice isn't it?

Arishem literally created the stones, he wipes his ass with Thanos.

For those who don't know, Arishem predates all Celestials, which have been stated to exist since before the dawn of creation and the singularities that led to the creation of the Infinity Stones, an event which was a consequence of the Big Bang he himself created. Given his status, he should scale above all Celestials, who uses their cosmic energy to create suns, supernovas and black holes.

In terms of durability, a newborn Tiamut would have no-sold the Earth's destruction upon birth, Eson no-sold the Power Stone wave that went on to destroy a planet, and Hargen, Nezzar, and Jemiah were unaffected by the gravity, heat, light and radiation of suns. Arishem himself no-sold a black hole and held the Big Bang in his palm.

In terms of speed, he's Massively FTL+ as Celestials can cover stellar distances with just their sheer size. Hargen, Nezzar, and Jemiah showed they could travel across solar systems in mere seconds.

In conclusion, juvenile Celestials are Planetary, adult Celestials are star-galaxy level, and an elder Celestial like Arishem is Universal via creating and no-selling the Big Bang.

AS for abilities, here is a list of Arishem's thus far.

• Cosmic Energy Manipulation &Creation: Created planets, suns and living beings. Created the first Sun and the World Forge. Created golden rings around of Sersi, Kingo and Phastos when he came to Earth.
  
  
• Life Manipulation: Can induce life on planets and create lifeforms like the Eternals and the Deviants. Can create seeds of Celestials.
  

  
  Matter Manipulation: Can create objects like planets and stars from nothing.

  Telekinesis: Pulled Sersi, Kingo and Phastos away from Earth.

  Telepathy: Can mentally communicate with others across space, having regularly contacted Ajak in that fashion. Made contact with Sersi after Ajak's death. Should have superior TP than Druig, who he created and granted powers to.

• Illusion Creation: Showed images of the Celestials, space, Deviants, the creation of the universe and the World-Forge to explain the true role of the Celestials and the Eternals to Sersi.
  
  
• Memory Manipulation: Erased the memories of the Eternals after each Emergence.
• Size Manipulation: Arishem can appear as small as a planet or so large that he's capable of dwarfing stars.
  
  
• Weather Manipulation: His appearance near Earth generated massive storm clouds he then casually parted.
• Shockwave Inducement: Generated a powerful shockwave that knocked everyone aside down aside from Sersi when he came to Earth to take the remaining Eternals.
  
  
• Explosion Manipulation, Space Manipulation and Time Manipulation: Caused the Big Bang.
  
  
• Antimatter Manipulation: The ball of energy Arishem used to cause the Big Bang contained elements of antimatter and dark matter.
  
  
• Power Bestowal: Granted his powers to the Eternals and the Deviants when he created them.
  
  
• Flight: Has no issue maneuvering in space.
  
  
• Portal Creation/Pseudo-Black Hole Creation and Teleportation: Of himself and others, can open wormholes in the shape of a black hole to teleport.
  
  
• Cosmic Awareness: Was able to sense the death of Tiamut.

These fights are boring now.