MCU Thanos repleaces DCEU Superman can he succeed or not?

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Poll MCU Thanos repleaces DCEU Superman can he succeed or not? (22 votes)

Yes 32%
No 68%

Has to do everything Superman (Until Justice League) did in order to get all the Infinity Gems.

He has his armor and sword, is in character but he has to clear every movie Superman has been in.

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He can't

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He stops and gets bodied at Smallville. The duo is too fast and too durable for him.

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He gets utterly destroyed by even Semi-adapted Zod due to far superior speed, durability, striking and versatility. Adapted Zod throws him into space.

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Doomsday one shots him. He can't hurt him with his fists and the sword can't cut his skin.

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Steppenwolf beats him casually. Much more faster combined with better striking, durability and strength feats. He isn't beating Diana also.

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I'd argue that Faora or Zod would solo him by using his own sword against him.

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@ezra_: That's my opinion. At best, you could make an argument for him beating Diana or Steppenwolf but he's not beating any Kryptonian team. He's too slow.

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Edit Bonus Scenario

Thanos gets the Space Gem.

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He stops in Man of Steel. He can't defeat either World Engine, nor could he get to the World Engine in time. This is assuming he even gets this far in the movie.

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He stops in Man of Steel. He can't defeat either World Engine, nor could he get to the World Engine in time. This is assuming he even gets this far in the movie.

Bonus scenario he has spaced gem, how about then?

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  • Even MOS Superman was overpowering people like Nam-Ek so the Smallville duo just gets bullied so hard they'd wish they were still in the phantom zone. Zod is just Thor with better flight and worse physicals/versatility, he gets beaten even worse as a result.
  • BvS goes about the same just with the trio beating Doomsday easier.
  • In Justice League Thanos obviously solos the league and Steppensuck.

Literally the only thing in the DCEU he fails to do is reach the world engine in time, which really makes everything else redundant.

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#10  Edited By Crunch5481

@ezra_ said:
@crunch5481 said:

He stops in Man of Steel. He can't defeat either World Engine, nor could he get to the World Engine in time. This is assuming he even gets this far in the movie.

Bonus scenario he has spaced gem, how about then?

Depends entirely on the limits of the space gem. A normal human wielding the space stone without limits would solo too.

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@buildhare: Could he one shot World Engine with Sword Throw?

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@ezra_ said:

@buildhare: Could he one shot World Engine with Sword Throw?

I have no idea how strong you'd need to be to throw it into the world engine from under it (which is the only place he even could really) but he's certainly not that much stronger than Supes to the point he can throw something that far when he could barely stand. Even if he could, it's just a sword, it's not big enough to matter imo.

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He can't fly or run at superspeed so he fails pretty early

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Probably fails only because he cant fly.

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@mattyboi: LOL. How does he beat somebody with far superior speed, durability and strength? He's never besting DD nor Zod. I'd debate either.

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@sufferedtoker: He'd easily take Zod. DD wont be a problem since Thanos has his sword and will decap.

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@mattyboi:

He'd easily take Zod.

No. Zod would beat him quickly.

Zod. DD wont be a problem since Thanos has his sword and will decap.

Yeah, not like Doomsday's faster, hits harder, stronger and has a size advantage over Thanos.

OT: DD melts Thanos' sword with HV and then stomps Thanos.

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#18  Edited By MattyBoi

@sufferedtoker:

No. Zod would beat him quickly.

I actually fail to see how Zod is gonna do serious damage to Thanos...

Yeah, not like Doomsday's faster, hits harder, stronger and has a size advantage over Thanos.

DD hitting harder is irrelevant. And thanos is more than fast enough to tag DD.

OT: DD melts Thanos' sword with HV and then stomps Thanos.

Like he did to WW? Oh wait...

Plus his heat vision is simi-featless.

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@mattyboi:

I actually fail to see how Zod is gonna do serious damage to Thanos...

Do you want to debate that in the Thanos vs Zod thread or a CAV in the future? Because it's the other way around.

DD hitting harder is irrelevant. And thanos is more than fast enough to tag DD.

And DD is more than strong and fast enough to punch him or ragdoll him. Once the sword is gone, Thanos is good as dead.

Like he did to WW? Oh wait...

Plus his heat vision is simi-featless.

That's a feat for Diana's sword and Thanos' sword lacks heat resistance feats.

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Doomsday absorbed the power of a nuke which can reach 50 million degrees, dramatically hotter than the sun or lightning. Superman briefly matched him in BvS and is massively stronger in JL.

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@sufferedtoker:

Do you want to debate that in the Thanos vs Zod thread or a CAV in the future? Because it's the other way around.

Why not here?

And DD is more than strong and fast enough to punch him or ragdoll him. Once the sword is gone, Thanos is good as dead.

Punch him sure, not ragdoll. DD's head is gone before Thanos is losing that sword.

That's a feat for Diana's sword and Thanos' sword lacks heat resistance feats.

Well Thanos' sword scales above vibranium that IIRC could tank explosions.

Doomsday absorbed the power of a nuke which can reach 50 million degrees, dramatically hotter than the sun or lightning. Superman briefly matched him in BvS and is massively stronger in JL.

DD's HV isn't that hot though, the nuke just powered it up. DD even does an AoE which wasn't even close to a nuke, I have no reason to believe his HV would be either.

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@mattyboi:

Why not here?

I'd rather debate it in another thread. This thread is going to be dead soon... right?

Punch him sure, not ragdoll. DD's head is gone before Thanos is losing that sword.

Tell that to Thor, Cap and Iron-Man.

Well Thanos' sword scales above vibranium that IIRC could tank explosions.

We don't know the metal in question and melting point can't be scaled due to scientific reasoning.

DD's HV isn't that hot though, the nuke just powered it up. DD even does an AoE which wasn't even close to a nuke, I have no reason to believe his HV would be either.

Energy transfer?

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@mattyboi: I have tagged you in the other thread.

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@mattyboi: It's a dead thread, in the Thanos vs Zod thread it's better. I could find somebody interested for a debate or some points. IIRC it's the one Pre-IW.

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@sufferedtoker:

I'd rather debate it in another thread. This thread is going to be dead soon... right?

Alright fair enough.

Tell that to Thor, Cap and Iron-Man.

Cap and Thor had a weapon to counter the sword(Cap and thor both blocked Thanos' strikes), DD however does not.

We don't know the metal in question and melting point can't be scaled due to scientific reasoning.

Well could tank Thor's lightning being directly on it.

Energy transfer?

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@mattyboi:

Alright fair enough.

I've tagged you.

Cap and Thor had a weapon to counter the sword(Cap and thor both blocked Thanos' strikes), DD however does not.

DD is faster, bigger and more durable than them. He avoided Diana's sword, and she's faster than Thanos.

Well could tank Thor's lightning being directly on it.

Evidence? Lightning cloak =\= Thor's lightning by feats.

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The nuke energy amped DD's damage output and energy projection.

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He stops hard in MOS.

He’s not making it past the farm scene. Heck, he won’t even make it past the flight scene.

He’s definitely not beating Nam and Faora. They each grab an extremity and pull him apart.

He’s getting bodied by Zod in every sense of the word.

He isn’t gonna make it to any of the places Clark flew to in anywhere near the time needed and he certainly isn’t stopping the WE.

Even if we abandon all logic and hype Thanos up and pretend like he can do all of the above, he still dies at the black hole scene.

M.O.S. changes from Man Of Steel to Majorly One Sided.

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@ezra_ said:

@buildhare: Could he one shot World Engine with Sword Throw?

I have no idea how strong you'd need to be to throw it into the world engine from under it (which is the only place he even could really) but he's certainly not that much stronger than Supes to the point he can throw something that far when he could barely stand. Even if he could, it's just a sword, it's not big enough to matter imo.

He couldn't do it. Based off how hard he threw the sword in Endgame at the van, it would barely go anywhere assuming he could even complete the same motion which he could not because he'd be crushed by the force of the beam.

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Stops in World Engine scene.

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Can't believe the lowball. Clears both scenarios

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#31  Edited By KryptonianKing88

Can’t get past the World Engine

Might stop at Doomsday if he kills/cripples Batman and if the government nukes Doomsday

Not sure how JL goes. If the team holds back a la Superman, he bodies them and Steppenwolf’s invasion. If they go all out, he might die

With space stone, he crushes everything above or TK holds + Decap

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@mattyboi said:

Probably fails only because he cant fly.

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He doesn't make it past the Kryptonians.

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This is painful

  • Even MOS Superman was overpowering people like Nam-Ek so the Smallville duo just gets bullied so hard they'd wish they were still in the phantom zone. Zod is just Thor with better flight and worse physicals/versatility, he gets beaten even worse as a result.

Faora casually threw Clark with enough force to bust a bank vault (something that is built to withstand nuclear blasts). The both of them get smacked around by multiple hypersonic punches by Clark and brush them off with ease. Thanos was made to bleed by Ironman. He gets destroyed.

Zod has shown far better durability than Thor. Getting thrown thrown multiple buildings. Brushing off re-entry. Getting his face scraped across a building. Do you honestly think Thor would casually go through these without a scratch?

Zod has also shown faster combat speed and stronger striking (uppercutting Clark the height of a skyscraper, hypersonic punches etc.).

Zod would beat Thanos handily.

  • BvS goes about the same just with the trio beating Doomsday easier.

No. Just no. This would be a massacre. DD is far far far beyond Thanos's league.

  • In Justice League Thanos obviously solos the league and Steppensuck.

This is up for debate. WW and flash are a lot faster than Thanos and both WW and Aquaman show better lifting feats. Steppenwolf destroyed WW, so you have that. Again, up for debate.

Literally the only thing in the DCEU he fails to do is reach the world engine in time, which really makes everything else redundant.

He fails to do most things.

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To be more specific, stops at World Engine. He has the power to destroy it, but can't since he has no way to get up to it.