I’m not sure why people think Asgard can lose here. Heimdallr will see the invasion coming so Asgard will be ready for them. Their defences will be firing at Thanos’ forces before they get a chance to touch down. Half of the drop ships will be destroyed before they even make landfall on the Realm Eternal.
You assume they won't be firing back? I mean Asgardians may be ready, but they will be losing troops too when the ships will arrive and the all out war and laser shooting starts. Also you forget how small and maneuverable the drop ships are. Chitauri ships are the size of a car, and Asgardian turrets couldn't hit big-ass dark elf ships. Also in Infinity Way we see Thanos's drop ships can beam people up and down from their ships without sending any space crafts down as well. No. Dropping down units won't be a problem.
A single Asgardian is an easy multi-tonner
Ridiculous. Maybe some of them are, but Asgardians were dying like grass every time we saw them. Ice giants clowned them in the crowning ceremony of Thor 1. Kurse and Hella killed them by the dozens without breaking a sweat. Warriors Three were no selling them without any strain in Thor 2 escape scene, and they are not particularly strong characters tbh. The only actually good feat Asgardians have is from Thor 2 opening, but these was ancient times when Bor was the high father. These are not the same troops.
based on Valkyrie
Valkyrie beat Loki and rivaled Thor. She could even spar with the Hulk. She clearly is not an example of any asgardian standard.
and Agents of Shield Asgardians
Dude, the AoS asgardian bent a pocket knife. I've seen people do that in RL. What on earth are you talking about?
and are all massively more skilled than any fighter in Thanos’ army
Questionable. The zombie part of the army is definitely not skilled. And as for alive part, once again, Asgardians do not have very good feats. They hardly have ANY good feats at all to be honest. Meanwhile, we get the statement about the chitauri that they are race of highly advanced space warriors who are bred to fight and only challenge strong opponents, and we see them kick ass in several movies. They also have superior weapons, because unlike asgardians, they are actually using laser rifles and other advanced weaponry, not swords and shields lol.
save MAYBE the Black Order members, MAYBE Ronan and obviously Thanos himself.
You forgot leviathans. They have plenty of those, and they are not going down easily.
The light armour Loki wears tanks bullets without so much as a scratch, and the standard Asgardian soldier wears heavy plate.
Chitauri won't be shooting at them with bullets. They have laser guns, explosives, Thanos's mother ship also has heavy canons that can turn half of Asgard into rubble in minutes.
Their weapons are enchanted and cut through/kill even Kurse-level enemies as seen in the battle where Bor and his army fight the Dark Elves.
They still need to close the range to use these swords, which will be quite tricky in a space fight against enemies in flying chariots. Once again, Chitauri's weaponry is a lot more advanced.
They will carve up whatever remnant of Thanos’ forces actually manage to make it to the ground. Hela’s Zombie Berzerkers are just an added layer of numbers and can be resurrected as can any living soldiers that fall (something no-one seems to have accounted for)
Because she never did that. She killed hundreds of soldiers in Asgard, but all zombies that we ever see are the old ones she ressurected in the tombs. Maybe she can't ressurect bodies that are this fresh, or maybe she just needs the eternal flame, and she can't keep it with her at all times. Either way, she is not using this ability here, there is no basis for that.
hell, Hela could resurrect Thanos’ own fallen soldiers and use them against him.
nope. What I said above. Also, we have no idea if resurrected zombies change loyalties. The army she resurrected and her pet were all serving her before she was gone.
Skurge will be enjoying himself mowing down fodder left right and centre with Des and Troy just as easily as Winter Soldier was.
He doesn't seem to have enough ammo to reload though. He'll kill some fodders (if his bullets can even penetrate their armor) and than like in the movie, he'll have to engage in CQC, and he gets killed shortly.
Fenris physically can’t be hurt by anything we’ve seen so far and I doubt anything Thanos’ army has exceeds the massive Asgardian turret rounds Fenris was shrugging off aside from named character’s attacks. Even then it’s debatable as Fenris tanked Hulk no worries.
They can deal with him using hax. Ebony Maw can just grab him and throw him off Asgard, Ronan can send him flying with his hammer's telekinesis and do the same. Thanos is also much stronger than Hulk, so he will do even better against Fenris. Cull Obsidian also can get the job done. They got it covered.
Sif and The Warriors 3 were slapping Frost Giants with minimal effort and were only overwhelmed by numbers (a single Frost Giant would wreck swarms if anything uni Thanos’ army aside from named characters and Leviathans so it’s not like the Warriors 3 or Sif would struggle with fodder like Outriders or Chutauri that even Balck Widow and Hawkeye we’re slaughtering in droves).
So they get overwhelmed with numbers here as well, what's the problem? A single child of Thanos like Cull Obsidian will be enough to wipe them all out.
Heimdallr is the best Warrior mentioned so far and his sight would prevent any nasty surprises from popping up. This guys soloed a Dark Elf transport/fighter ship with a freaking dagger and he can bisect Frost Giants wis a single swing. He, along with Sif and the Warriors 3 could take out Nebula, Gamora, Proxima Midnight and Corvus Glaive due to at least equal skill and superior physicals (save maybe Gamora after her gun-turret feat).
Heimdall can actually fight some children of Thanos, I agree. But a decent one like Gamora who is his equal in stats and sword skill is enough to cover him for the entire fight. If you send someone stronger to fight him like Ronan, Heimdall is done in seconds.
Frigga and Loki are both great Sorcerers and would make any kind of fight against any named characters a nightmare for their opponent. They are capable of mind controlling almost anyone here (aside from maybe Thanos) — considering Loki did so to a (weakened) Odin and Frigga is a better Sorcerer than he is — can use some telekinesis, cast magical bolts and Frigga is one of the best warriors around considering how easily she stomped Malekith.
Both Frigga and Loki did not use any of those abilies in combat. We didn't see them using those when dark elves attacked. Both Loki and Frigga only use illusions in combat, alongside some CQC weapons like swords and daggers. They are not particularly strong too. Thanos has far better sorcerers. Ebony Maw who can take out Doctor Strange solo can kill them both while yawning.
That leaves Thanos’ and Ronan’s personal ships as well as the Chutauri mothership vs the Defences of Asgard. Plus the highest tier named characters and Leviathans. Assuming that Asgard’s defences (turrets, warships and the like) don’t shoot down these 3 ships before they even get close enough to be effective,
Do they even have the means to do it? Weaponry of these ships didn't look like it blew a lot of steam. Ronan's mothership alone was attacked by entire army of Nova Core and Yondu's pirates and it shrugged everything they threw at it.
the Leviathans most certainly would be destroyed by these things as they have no ranged weapons.
Leviathans have absolutely ridiculous immunity to laser fire. Iron man's palladium tribeam, which is his most powerful weapon, couldn't even scratch them and in Spiderman Homecoming we see their armor was so durable that they couldn't even remove it from the Leviathans with any standard equipment, they had to use chitauri's own weapons. Thor and Hela can probably take some of them down, but I honestly doubt they are just going down to regular artillery, taking into consideration they used lasers, which Leviathans are particularly made to counter.
If the get wrecked too early, so will the Chutauri infantry which use them as transports. Asgard’s palace shields will hold up to anything thrown at them. The ships themselves can be destroyed by any named character on Asgard’s side not already mentioned.
No, not really.
Thor can easily pull a Captain Marvel and fly strait through any of them
When did Thor EVER do something on this scale? Stormbreaker Thor, who received 3 major power ups since Thor 1, could do that to regular drop ships, but mother ships? Not even close.
and if anything happens to the Chutauri mothership, their whole army goes bye bye and Thanos loses half his forces AND the Leviathans. Hela can pull the same shit she did against Surtur and wreck basically anything she wants with spikes the size of Avengers Tower.
Hela could only do it because she was in Asgard for so long that her power skyrocketed as a result. She only got those enormous blades at the very end, after spending supposedly moths in Asgard. This Hela is ressurected just moments before invasion, OP states she just has enough time to ressurect her zombies and that's it. She can have her feats from the beggining of Thor 3, like Asgard invasion, but she is not throwing any skyscrapper blades at anyone. And without that, she is not taking down any ships. Her daggers will also be very ineffective, because this time her targets will be invading space crafts like chitauri chariots moving at massive speeds and changing directions all the time. She is also fighting alongside her own troops, so she can't just spam her blades mindlessly in all directions. Hela will be much less effective in this scenario than you think. And she will be likely also occupied by the big players from the other team, like Ronan, Ebony Maw, or even Thanos himself, all of which can arguably take her on solo.
Odin.... well he’s Odin and i’ll Get to that in a bit.
Obsidian Cul is a player to a degree, but Thor could take him wth ease. He was absolutely flattened by a single throw from Mjolnir in the Endgame final battle and even Spider-Man can compete with his strength (who is nowhere NEAR Thor). Hela would instaglib him with her blades, Odin would put a hole in him with Gungnir, the Deatroyer would vaporise him.
I agree here, Cull is not that big of a threat. He did prove to be stronger than Iron man though, and even took on Hulk Buster, which beat the Hulk previously. So he should be able to take on other brutes like Fenris, and he can one shot any of the lower tiers like Skurge, Warriors 3, Sif etc. His scaling to Spider man is pretty inconsistent. Some times Peter struggles against street tiers, but other times he pulls together massive cruiser halfs with his sheer muscle strength and catches a aircraft boarding tunnel that Cap drops at him. Peter's strength varies from high street tier to 100+ tons. I wouldn't scale anyone off of him.
Frankly Ebony Maw is the biggest threat here. However, he’s never shown the ability to manipulate raw energy so the Destroyer would likely 1-shot him.
Why would he go for a destroyer? He is a smart guy, I think that when he sees a massive machine spitting laser beams he won't just go straight at it, but either leave it to someone who can tank lasers, or he will take it by surprise, and he'll suddenly bury it under tons of rubble or something. Giving the fact that he is a perfect counter to Hela, and Hela is a very arrogant fighter who doesn't care who she fights, he would likely be sent by Thanos to deal with her, and would just turn all of her blades against her or throw her off the Asgard edge.
As would Odin’s magic or Thor’s lightning. Which leaves only Ronan and Thanos.
Ronan is only a Kree and would get whooped by Thor, 1-shot by Hela when she hit him and again, the same goes for Odin.
What? Why do you sell Ronan so short? Don't you remember how he clowned Drax 1vs1? We saw Drax laugh off an aircraft crush which included him being dragged through tree trunks hundreds of miles per hour and he laughed it off. And yet just a few Ronan's punches made Drax bleed and put him down for good. His durability is also absurd, he tanked Rocket's special canon, which according to him had a power to bust a small moon, and even if that was a large stretch, we even saw him attempting to use it against the pirate mothership, and according to his calculation it would take the ship down in one shot. And Ronan took it to the face, and didn't even have a scratch. He will laugh at Thor's lightning and his hammer is perfect for deflecting Hela's blades, because it has telekinesis as well. The only one who could probably take on Ronan and win without much trouble is Odin, but I really think he will be occupied with Thanos directly. And with Maw likely being sent to deal with Hela, Ronan will probably fight Thor and since it's the weakest incarnation of Thor, and Ronan has the stats to keep up, and the means to deal both with the hammer (telekinesis) and the lighting (energy durability feats) it will be a very close fight.
The destroyer could either beam him to death or beat him to death. Take your pick.
Destroyer is not beaming him to death, but the physical fight between them would've been interesting. If you ask me, Destroyer will likely die to Corvus Glaive, because his spear deflects energy attacks even as powerful as infinity stones, so he will be perfect to deal with him, and will likely go for him directly. And we all know what happens to destroyer when you shoot his own laser back at him.
Which leaves us with just Thanos. Thor would likely get wrecked,
Understatement. Pre Thor 1 Thor would get one shot. Don't forget, Thanos without the IG fought Thor, Iron man and Cap all in their strongest versions, 3 vs 1, and he was winning.
but only if he went hand to hand. His lightning has decimated Thanos before as we saw in both IW when Thor has Stormbreaker and Endgame when Worthy Cap floored him and then pinned him with lightning.
Decimating? It didn't put a scratch on him. Same with Mjolnir. He took a dozen hits to the jaw from both Thor and Cap and didn't even bleed. It was at the very best, annoying to him. If Thor tries to zap Thanos or throws a hammer at him, Thanos just shrugs it as he's always done and one shots his ass.
Hela on the other hand is arguably even stronger than Thanos thanks to crushing Mjolnir
that's hax feat.
and she’s DEFINITELY faster and more agile.
Based on what? Ragnarok Thor was able to perfectly keep up with her in speed and agility, and Thanos crushed a superior version of Thor in a straight fight, and 3 vs 1 at that.
A single, reasonably sized blade would kill him outright since he’s shown a vulnerability to sharp objects regularly.
We've seen Thor's armor block these blades at least to some degree. Thanos's armor can take those blades without any strain than. Don't forget, this Thanos still has full armor, including helmet. And if she tries to go for the eye or something, he has the reflexes to block that with his gauntlets. Hela can't put Thanos down so easily. But I agree, that he also doesn't have the means to hurt her back, so it's not a good matchup for him. That's why I personally think he'd order Maw to deal with her, while he would go for Odin.
She also obviously has some kind of method for teleporting/portal creation since the moment Odin’s died and his lifeforce stopped holding her in check, she instantly teleported to his location from Hel.
What an ass pull. We have no idea if that was her own teleport or just she appeared wherever Odin died, because that's how the spell worked. Either way, all movie long after that she goes everywhere on foot. To travel to Asgard she needs bifrost, and on Asgard she doesn't blink around, but travels on foot. So there is no basis to say she can just teleport around.
Either that or she just goes all out like she did against Surtur and wrecks him utterly. The Destroyer it’s a bit up in the air about since it was killed by Thor but he had to use its own energy redirected at it in order to achieve this. Blades are useless though and pass through it as per Sif stabbing it so Thanos couldn’t do a great deal to it anyway.
Finally we have Odin. Odin is getting underrated massively by some people here. It’s like his “Hype” isn’t relevant. It is. He defeated a Prime Surtur and stole his Eternal Flame, leaving the Lord of the Fire Demons a weakened cripple, only kept alive by the fact his fate was tied to This is the same Surtur we see that destroyed Asgard.
All of that is in the legends. We have no idea how he accomplished that. He most likely raided Surtur's domain with his entire army, and it was a victory for all Asgard, not just for Odin personally. Maybe, he also used some of the powerful artifacts he has in his vault to beat Surtur. Maybe he used the tesseract, which we know he had and used at some point in the past. We just don't know. So there is no way to implement it in a fight. We have to go with what we know. And we know Odin had his eye taken out by a piece of sharp ice thrown at him, and that depowering Thor was a feat so exhausting to him it put him in a coma. Odin has horrible on screen feats. This is why people sell him short. His magical power is mostly unknown or used for purposes that are of no use for a straight fight, and his durability is pretty low. That's all we really know about him.
If Odin can do that, he can take out Thanos.
No. Thanos has plenty of feats Odin has no answer to. There is no reason to believe Thanos can't just walk through gungnir beam like Thor did when he fought Loki, and there is no reason to believe Thanos can't just break Odin's body in two with his far superior stats.
He and Hela annihilated entire races, conquering planet after planet.
So did Thanos. This doesn't mean anything.
He can manipulate matter and energy with the aodonforce
Any feats of him using said powers in combat? Lmao.
and only went into the Odinsleep in Thor 1 because he had just stripped Thor of his powers (considering how powerful Thor is, this is impressive in and of itself) and because he had (as noted by Frigga) been putting it off for a very long time. Here watch this video for a reference to just how powerful Odin really is in the MCU:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra0zlwwalog
What? First that's not really impressive, and second, that power belonged to Odin in the first place, that's why he could take it away. He is not using that to depower some random aliens he's never saw.
And none of this takes into consideration any of the artefacts in Odin’s treasure vault like the Casket of Ancient Winters which can bring an ice age to an entire planet (a few good blasts from that would annihilate most of Thanos forces in one go).
Well, the OP doesn't say that Asgardians will be using any particular treasures from the vault here. They certainly didn't use any when we saw them fight ice giants. They also didn't use any when we saw them fight dark elf invasion. I don't see any reason to believe any treasure will come into play here, it's not their standard approach to massive battles like these. And even if they did use the Casket, it's abilities really are inconsistent. In the hands of the ice giants, it seemed to be able to freeze a human village, but when Loki used it in asgard, it's power was barely enough to stop Heimdall, and it didn't even kill him, so I can't see it being used on a massive scale by anyone on Asgard - I don't think they know how to do it - and if it gets used against any one individual, anyone stronger than Heimdall will just easily break out, while weaker players are not needed here for Thanos to win.
End of the day, Asgard is not losing this, no matter how you look at it.
I can't see any possible way Asgard can win this. First of all, Thanos gets to pick and choose his fights, because he is the one who invades, so he can just drop his fighters and armies wherever he wishes. And since he is a good strategist, he will choose his matchups well. Thanos crushes Odin. Ebony Maw throws Hela off Asgard, where she joins Fenris, thrown off by Cull Obsidian. Corvus Glaive turn Destroyer's beam against it and destroys it. Nebula, Gamora and Proxima leading a superior army who has more mobility and better weapons clown the lesser players like the warriors three, heimdall or Loki with their infantry. Ronan and Thor fight in a long and a tough fight. Let's say Thor eventually wins, but he is still going down to other characters who have long finished their duels. Leviathans crush through Asgard city, wrecking havoc and destruction. Thanos's mother ship aims it's canons at the Asgard ships and armies and destroys it in a matter of moments, sending its armies just to clean up. Asgard's palace shields only provide defense, so even if remaining forces choose to hide there, they will eventually either starve, or they have to put up a fight, and Thanos wins.
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