No prep/ knowledge
Speed is equalized
Location: Asgard, 30 ft apart
Speed isn't equalized
Morals off/bloodlusted on
@xzone: I don’t think I’ve stated “superman solos”. More than twice. What stops them from being a statue to superman? Absolutely nothing. Untill base thanos is a durability tank like DD or has comparable speed then he can’t win. Thanos is a jobber. And hela isn’t enough. She can beat Wonder Woman in R1. But I seriously doubt that her swords can pierce superman considering he is amped and still took a nuke in BvS. Either you didn’t watch JL, or you just simply ignore feats.
So when you throw something it can move in a circle without any outside influence? Lol ok dude.
Do you know whether or not the enchantment was placed on the hammer back then? In fact the enchantment wasn’t placed on the hammer or displayed until after the Jotenheim scene.
Edit: also if Hela did have control over Mjolnir... why would it be trying to go back toward Thor like you said lol.
@emanresu_20: Yeah, Thor have been throwing hammer for a long time, maybe he learned something or 2.
Do you know exactly when the enchanment was placed? Can you post the scene? If not then I'll go by the comic/logic and say it got enchanted right after it was made.
Well, it still sticked on her hand regardless of what happened.
1. Are you suggesting he can throw the hammer at an angle that can defy the laws of physics WITHOUT using magic?
2. The enchantment was placed during The first Thor movie. You Litterally see Odin place and enchantment on it right after he casts Thor out.
3. But still no evidence it was magic.
Superman can solo both rounds effortlessly. Adding Diana makes this a Godstomp in favour of team DCEU.
I mean seriously, Thanos has nothing except strength which would be innefective against Diana due to her gear advantage. Hela has swords that don't have feats to even scratch Superman. Superman is much stronger and durable than her and has a plethora of other abilities. At base level, team MCU is really unimpressive against people like Superman and Diana.
Diana just needs to cut Thanos's hands off to render him innefective in this fight. Given her performance against Doomsday, killing base Thanos would be a cakewalk for her with her super impressive gear.
Superman on the other hand throws Hela into space or maybe snaps he neck or something.
@emanresu_20: I've never even seen comic Thor moves mjolnir with his mind, if not for calling it. Thor only used his hand gesture when he called it anyway. Maybe, MCU Thor can control the direction of the hammer after he threw it, that's the only logical explanation I have. If not, then Thor should be able to move mjolnir without even throwing it, clearly not the case. So Thor couldn't be pushing the mjolnir after Hela caught/stopped it.
The enchantment that Odin made back then was to seal Thor's power inside the mjolnir, so Thor could get his power back if he was worthy again (which means he was worthy before). The specific enchantment was clearly not there after Thor was worthy/lifted his mjolnir again. Seeing Thor could use lightning without mjolnir after it got destroyed (he also still had his physical stats without it as well, unlike when he was unworthy, he didn't actually lose his power this time) and Vision didn't get "the power of Thor" when he lifted it. Yet, the enchantment about lifting mjolnir was still there in Avengers 1. So there's no evidence that the lifting enchantment happened in Thor 1.
The whole thing about worthiness and enhcantment is magic.... Or at least things we do not understand, maybe advanced science.
The Comics isn’t the same as the movie. Not to mention this whole first argument is a walking contradiction. You Litterally just said Thor can control the direction mjolnir is Thrown in via Magic. Not to mention when Thor did call Mjolnir back it went around in another circle in the opposite direction. Reguardless it doesn’t change the fact that Hela Caught it and crushed it.
None of this was said when Odin places the enchantment on Mjolnir. On top of that Thor and hela are two completely different people and Hela displayed the characteristics of Thor before he was cast out of Asguard. Mjolnir only returned to Thor when his heart turned pure. If Odin place the enchantment on the hammer in Thor 1 then that would mean it wasn’t there before Thor 1. Either that or the enchantment was changed. If the Worthiness enchantment and it’s qualifications for worthiness were not changed then Thor would have been able to lift it and gain his powers back.
Which again you have no proof of hela using magic to stop it other than speculation.
Diana isn’t Soloing Hela. Especially in round 1where both would get their heads crushed and overall outskilled.
Round 2: team wins via Superman being to damn fast. Even the. He would have to do something out of character like rip Hela’s head off.
@emanresu_20: lol...getting their heads crushed, if only hela showed the strength to do that and she is never showed better skill than diana. Diana disintegrates her swords and cuts her in half or superman just beats her to death seeing as her sword can't hurt him.
Round 2 ends much quicker, he snaps her neck here
Crushing Mjolnir... which is made of a metal with a melting point of 1 million degrees. Hela solod and entire army. What has Diana ever done that is above that? And hela could just block their stikes. Mjolnir’s striking is near the same level as Supes. Superman isn’t beating her to death considering the fact that she’s immortal.
The Comics isn’t the same as the movie. Not to mention this whole first argument is a walking contradiction. You Litterally just said Thor can control the direction mjolnir is Thrown in via Magic. Not to mention when Thir did call Mjolnir back it went around in another circle in the opposite direction.
You need that Thor can move mjolnir with his mind without throwing it ( or calling it), and then we can talk.
After Hela stopped its momentum, Thor should not be able to do anything except for calling it back unless you can prove otherwise.
None of this was said when Odin places the enchantment on Mjolnir. On top of that Thor and hela are two completely different people and Hela displayed the characteristics of Thor before he was cast out of Asguard. Mjolnir only returned to Thor when his heart turned pure. If Odin place the enchantment on the hammer in Thor 1 then that would mean it wasn’t there before Thor 1. Either that or the enchantment was changed. If the Worthiness enchantment was not changed then Thor would have been able to lift it.
Odin said it.
“Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.”
Not, "whoever is worthy can lift this hammer"
This scene is more about Odin stripping Thor's power away and put it inside Mjolnir. This is also supported by the fact that Thor actually got his power back AFTER getting his mjolnir back, not the other way around (even though technically he was proven to be worthy because he was be able to call mjolnir in the first place)
The enchantment that Odin made in Thor 1 wasn't ever there anymore. Did Vision got the power of Thor when he lifted the hammer? Did Thor lose his physical stats again when mjolnir got destroyed? (Thor technically still possessed the "power of Thor" even without mjolnir in Ragnarok)... If that's the case then why is the specific lifting enchantment was still there after Thor 1? The continuity just doesn't work with your story.
It is also entirely possible that Odin simply repeated the enchantment he made years ago.
Which again you have no proof of hela using magic to stop it other than speculation
She is worthy after all. If Vision threw Mjolnir at Thor, I believe that Thor would be able to catch it easily as well.
Hulk can't lift mjolnir, Thor could do it effortlessly. Does that mean Thor is effortlessly stronger than Hulk? If not, then you're assuming things as well. Its heaviness and density are unquantifiable without the enchantment to be honest, so we can't actually know how impressive the feats actually is.
She literally lifted mjolnir after the enchantment in that scene, if that's not related with magic then I don't know what is.
Superman solos Thanos and Hela even with Speed Equalised. There you go I said it again in case I wasnt clear the first time.
Why would you even accuse me of being out of my mind. If you disagree, then place credible arguments. Don't make personal comments.
I did lol. Mjolnir traveled in a 360 degree circle 3 or 4 times, changed momentum and then Circled back in the other direction again before it returned to Thor’s hands.
I’ll give you the fact that she lifted the hammer after she caught it fine. But then you would have to prove she negated the power of theMjolnir blitz. You would then also have to prove that she used magic to crush it which has never been shown to be part of Mjolnir’s enchantment.
This is speculation. Thor has actually been shown to be able to Call Mjolnir back. Neither Vision nor hela have shown to be capable of doing this.
I gave you the fact that she may be able to lift Mjolnir. You still need to prove she used magic and not brute force to stop in in the first place outside of speculation.
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