MCU Spider-Man vs Elsa (Frozen)

Iron Boy Jr

Elsa (Frozen)

Rules

• Iron Boy has composite feats from Raimi Spidey and Garfield Spider-Man (but no Iron Spider feats)
• Has his base/standard suit pictured in the OP
• Morals on / in character
• No knowledge on one another
• Start 25 feet apart
• Fight takes place in abandoned NYC next to Hudson river. It is snowing too

@frozen:

Spiderman Should win pretty easily.

She can't hurt him and he can one shot her

She'll also never tag them thanks to Garfield's speed

Spiderman can take a army of Elsa's...Holland its bulletproof (even without the ironspider) and they are way to fast, strong, and skilled, webs are also a easy GG.

But ill take this time to show off Garfield speed...look at that video, dang hes fast.

Noticed that the car its completely statued by the electricity and not only doe Pete save the people from the electric rail, he webs up the car before it can land too.

Soon MCU Spiderman will basically scale to that ^^.

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Elsa honestly stomps. Too many ways to put Spidey down.

And how does she ever tag him?

How can Spider-Man dodge environmental destruction?

@manofmanynames2:

Look at the feat in post three.. then explain to me how fast you think elsas AOE propagates... do you think he AOE will move any faster than that electricity?

I think Spider-Man can punch her in the face before she even thinks to activate a power that doesn’t move as fast as electricity.

When has Elsa destroyed an environment?

Also, it literally takes one punch from any of the Spidermen to kill Elsa

With Maguire's strength, Garfield's speed, and Holland's gear it's an easy stomp.

Each of the Spidermen could stomp Elsa alone.

Spider-man got one speed feat so now he's an untaggable speedster?

Elsa has frozen all of Arendelle before without even really trying, there's nothing saying she couldn't just freeze the environment around Spidey to make his webs unable to work, or simply freeze him solid. Spidey isn't stomping anyone, lol.

She will never freeze Spidey, because she will never tag him.

Spidey has heating in his suit, the cold won't bother him.

@kymilia:

This is composite LA Spider-Man.. if you want I can show you about 20 quantifiable speed feats from the Spider-Men and another 20 uses of high level pre cog...you know like Garfield completely statueing electricity (post 3) and reacting to electricity a dozen times, rami Spider-Man dodging bullets, and if course MCU Spider-Man dodging 20+ drones duel weilding Gatling guns and flamethrower, in a hallway, blind.

He doesnt seem super easy to hit, and the people debating for Spider-Man are showing speed feats, so until I see a speed feat that beats a composite LA Spider-Man’s speed, I’m going to contend he gets first shot(one is all he needs)

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I’m willing to take a look at Elsas speed, but I think it’s pretty fair to say Spider-Man gets first strike do to his overwhelming speed/precog advantage.

How can Spidey avoid the entire environment being frozen though? This Spidey has nothing to prove he can escape Elsa before she freezes the environment.

He hits her before that happens.. again Garfield statues electricity, can you show us how fast elsas power propagates?? is it faster than electricity??

You know that Elsa can create shields to defend against giant Tsunamis? Do you have any evidence to prove that Spidey can strike as hard as a Tsunami?

Freezing the environment will be ineffective, because, as I said in my previous post, his suit has built in heating.

Once the environment is frozen he can just pull her towards him with a web, or just run to her and punch her.

Are you braindead? How in any way does suit heating defend against an entire City being frozen solid? His web shooters will be frozen solid once he fires.

So she shielded against a tunami cool.. got a speed feat that says she gets the shields up before he punches her?? I keep asking for elsa speed feats that will allow her to activate her powers before the electricity statueing Spider-Man hits her... and I just keep getting shown non speed feats.. pls match or exceed Spider-Man statueing electricity in post 3.. without a Elsa speed feat Spider-Man punches her before she gets her power out.

Is that really your debate strategy? Insults.

Elsa has never once frozen anything the size of a city. She's only ever made it winter.

She might be outclassed in Speed, but saying that she gets one-shotted by Spidey is absurd, considering she has survived tsunamis falling on her, and once again, there is no evidence to say that Spider-Man can strike as hard as Tsunami.

This is composite Spiderman. He has the speed feats of Andrew Garfield dodging electricity repeatedly, and the hallway scene in Far from home

You actually tried to say that in-suit heating would counter city-wide freezing. I'm pretty sure that warrants the word "braindead".

Also, she did. She froze ALL of Arendelle over, which at the very least is still Town to Island level.

Cool so we agree Spider-Man gets first strike.

did she tank a tsunami or Sheild from it,? You said shield from it in a earlier post.. i contend she can’t get her shiekd up before she’s punched by the guy who statued electricity... maybe you missed the feat.. (I’m willing to show 20 others if you wish)

Show me her powers working as fast as electricity or I’m going to assume they are much slower and will be statued like the electricity here in this feat..

Her best speed feat that I'm aware of is stopping an arrow.

It's not good enough to tag Spidey, but since you asked

It doesn't matter how fast Spider-Man is, I already said that one-shotting Elsa would not work due to her surviving this: https://gfycat.com/necessarymeagerincatern

Please provide evidence that Spider-Man can strike that hard.

Elsa height: 1.68m

Door height: 12.33m

Door height: 12.33m

Ice castle height: 227m

Ice castle height (red): 227m

Total mountain height: 6640m

Vantage Point: (110 pixels): 3121m

Horizon Calculator: 3121m to horizon = 199.6km

Ice thickness:

Notes:

Sea frozen out to 199.6km minimum.

Assuming radial effect.

Air at 3.23km~ = 0c if ground temperature = 20c, so no effect at this point +.

199600m hemisphere volume: 6646387492693332m^3

Minus 196370m hemisphere volume: 5851260724438946m^3

3.23km slice of 199.6km hemisphere = 795,126,768,256,386m^3

Average temperature = 10c.(20c at ground, 0c at top of slice)

q=mcdeltat

Mass: kg/m3^ air at 10c = 1.247kg/m^3 = 991,523,080,015,713kg air.

Specific heat of air: 1006 J/kg

Change in temperature: 10

q= 9,974,722,184,958,076,221 joules = 9.97 exajoules = 2.38 gigatons of tnt.

Ballpark energy for Air change: 2.38 gigatons

Water:

Area of a 199,600m circle = 125,161,553,974m^2

~1/2 = water = 62,580,776,987m^2

Ice thickness = 1m.

Volume of water = 62,580,776,987m^3

Mass: kg/m3^ air at 20c = 998.2. = 62,468,131,588,423

Specific heat of water (4181 j/kg)

62,468,131,588,423 * specific heat (4181 J/KG) * 20

Q=5,223,585,163,423,964,708 = 5.22 exajoules = 1.25 gigatons of tnt.

Ballpark energy for Water temperature: 1.25 gigatons.

Change in temperature energy:

Change in state:

Water enthalpy of fusion: 334 kJ/kg

62,468,131,588,423 kg

20,864,355,950,533,282 kj = 20.86 exajoules = 4.99 gigatons of tnt.

Ballpark energy for Water to Ice = 4.99 gigatons.

TLDR:

Air: 2.38 gigatons.

Water: 1.25 gigatons.

Ice: 4.99 gigatons.

Total: 8.62 gigatons.

No version of Spider-Man (at least in the movies) has never once survived an attack on that level.

He stomps

I said that the suit heating would protect him from the eternal winter. Which I assumed you were referring to since thats the closest thing she's ever done to freezing a town.

What warrants being called braindead is thinking that Elsa can react to Spiderman, let alone survive a punch from him. All things that you have claimed.

How is Movie Spider-Man one-shotting Elsa valid when she has survived massive waves falling on her? You still fail to provide evidence that Spider-Man can attack on that level.

Are you calculating the amount of energy she used to turn the water into ice

If so that doesn't matter at all, since that energy is not applicable to combat.

If not, it doesn't matter because it will never tag him.

She didn't create shield. She froze water.

IIRC The only ice shield she's ever made was pierced by an arrow.

She could easily just freeze where he is about to travel to before he does. She has an intense knowledge of almost all of her abilities, and could easily freeze over the area Spider-Man goes to before he does.

Also, it is applicable to combat. Are you saying that freezing the area where Spider-Man is attacking across a multi-kilometer scale wouldn't affect Spidey in any way? Sounds like DEATH BATTLE! when they tried to say that Superman would walk through a Kamehameha.

When has Elsa survived massive waves falling on her?

Elsa has normal human durability this should happen to her:

KO's Flash Thompson accidentally with a slap.

Of course...

As you can see above that a human level feat, irl surfers consistently tank giant waves crashing on them...Spider-Man has accidentally KOd humans (flash) by moving to fast near then.

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I can show Spider-Man’s striking a few different ways, are you looking for really strong people he’s hit like sandman and lizard? Are you looking for some environmental destruction like when he hit venom around a building?? Or are you looking for something with hard, quantifiable numbers like RPG proof ballistic glass??

• Cracks four inches of ballistic glass and busts through it when provided with more momentum

Im going to say outputting more damage than a RPG beats taking a wave that irl surfers regularly take as a hobby.

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@achillesspawn said:

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@achillesspawn said:

@manofmanynames2 said:

Elsa honestly stomps. Too many ways to put Spidey down.

And how does she ever tag him?

How can Spider-Man dodge environmental destruction?

When has Elsa destroyed an environment?

Also, it literally takes one punch from any of the Spidermen to kill Elsa

With Maguire's strength, Garfield's speed, and Holland's gear it's an easy stomp.

Each of the Spidermen could stomp Elsa alone.

Elsa has frozen all of Arendelle before without even really trying, there's nothing saying she couldn't just freeze the environment around Spidey to make his webs unable to work, or simply freeze him solid. Spidey isn't stomping anyone, lol.

She will never freeze Spidey, because she will never tag him.

How can Spidey avoid the entire environment being frozen though?

He hits her before that happens.. again Garfield statues electricity, can you show us how fast elsas power propagates?? is it faster than electricity??

You know that Elsa can create shields to defend against giant Tsunamis? Do you have any evidence to prove that Spidey can strike as hard as a Tsunami?

So she shrieked against a tunami cool.. got a speed feat that says she gets the shields up before he punches her?? I keep asking for elsa speed feats that will allow her to activate her powers before the electricity statueing Spider-Man hits her.

She might be outclassed in Speed, but saying that she gets one-shotted by Spidey is absurd, considering she has survived tsunamis falling on her, and once again, there is no evidence to say that Spider-Man can strike as hard as Tsunami.

Cool so we agree Spider-Man gets first strike.

did she tank a tsunami or Sheild from it,? You said shield from it in a earlier post.. i contend she can’t get her shiekd up before she’s punched by the guy who statued electricity... maybe you missed the feat.. (I’m willing to show 20 others if you wish)

Show me her powers working as fast as electricity or I’m going to assume they are much slower and will be statued like the electricity here in this feat..

It doesn't matter how fast Spider-Man is, I already said that one-shotting Elsa would not work due to her surviving this: https://gfycat.com/necessarymeagerincatern

Please provide evidence that Spider-Man can strike that hard.

Of course...

As you can see above that a human level feat, irl surfers consistently tank giant waves crashing on them...Spider-Man has accidentally KOd humans (flash) by moving to fast near then.

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I can show Spider-Man’s striking a few different ways, are you looking for really strong people he’s hit like sandman and lizard? Are you looking for some environmental destruction like when he hit venom around a building??Or are you looking for something with hard, quantifiable numbers like RPG proof ballistic glass??

• Cracks four inches of ballistic glass and busts through it when provided with more momentum

Im going to say outputting more damage than a RPG beats taking a wave that irl surfers regularly take as a hobby.

Did you seriously just say that hitting Venom around a building is Environmental Destruction?

She can't freeze something that she can't perceive.

I was saying the amount of energy wasn't applicable to combat.

What's Kamehameha? Sorry, I've only ever watched one DEATHBATTLE video. (Ben 10 vs Green Lantern)

All cool things, none of that matters in this match .. Garfield Spider-Man is here, he statues electricity, Rami Spider-Man is here high end bullet timer, MCU Spider-Man is here 20 plus drones firing couldn’t hit him with his eyes closed.

Speed kills, he punches her before she has a chance to do anything.

Id be down to debate a speed equal battle on a different thread(Spider-Man still wins) but this here is a stomp if all she has is a single instance of arrow timing.

Better speed means first strike, that first strike is plenty with a composite LA Spider-Man.

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@manofmanynames2 said:

Elsa honestly stomps. Too many ways to put Spidey down.

And how does she ever tag him?

How can Spider-Man dodge environmental destruction?

When has Elsa destroyed an environment?

Also, it literally takes one punch from any of the Spidermen to kill Elsa

With Maguire's strength, Garfield's speed, and Holland's gear it's an easy stomp.

Each of the Spidermen could stomp Elsa alone.

Elsa has frozen all of Arendelle before without even really trying, there's nothing saying she couldn't just freeze the environment around Spidey to make his webs unable to work, or simply freeze him solid. Spidey isn't stomping anyone, lol.

She will never freeze Spidey, because she will never tag him.

How can Spidey avoid the entire environment being frozen though?

He hits her before that happens.. again Garfield statues electricity, can you show us how fast elsas power propagates?? is it faster than electricity??

You know that Elsa can create shields to defend against giant Tsunamis? Do you have any evidence to prove that Spidey can strike as hard as a Tsunami?

So she shrieked against a tunami cool.. got a speed feat that says she gets the shields up before he punches her?? I keep asking for elsa speed feats that will allow her to activate her powers before the electricity statueing Spider-Man hits her.

She might be outclassed in Speed, but saying that she gets one-shotted by Spidey is absurd, considering she has survived tsunamis falling on her, and once again, there is no evidence to say that Spider-Man can strike as hard as Tsunami.

Cool so we agree Spider-Man gets first strike.

did she tank a tsunami or Sheild from it,? You said shield from it in a earlier post.. i contend she can’t get her shiekd up before she’s punched by the guy who statued electricity... maybe you missed the feat.. (I’m willing to show 20 others if you wish)

Show me her powers working as fast as electricity or I’m going to assume they are much slower and will be statued like the electricity here in this feat..

It doesn't matter how fast Spider-Man is, I already said that one-shotting Elsa would not work due to her surviving this: https://gfycat.com/necessarymeagerincatern

Please provide evidence that Spider-Man can strike that hard.

Of course...

As you can see above that a human level feat, irl surfers consistently tank giant waves crashing on them...Spider-Man has accidentally KOd humans (flash) by moving to fast near then.

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I can show Spider-Man’s striking a few different ways, are you looking for really strong people he’s hit like sandman and lizard? Are you looking for some environmental destruction like when he hit venom around a building??Or are you looking for something with hard, quantifiable numbers like RPG proof ballistic glass??

• Cracks four inches of ballistic glass and busts through it when provided with more momentum

Im going to say outputting more damage than a RPG beats taking a wave that irl surfers regularly take as a hobby.

Did you seriously just say that hitting Venom around a building is Environmental Destruction?

I think that he thinks that you meant collateral damage.

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@achillesspawn said:

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@manofmanynames2 said:

@achillesspawn said:

@manofmanynames2 said:

Elsa honestly stomps. Too many ways to put Spidey down.

And how does she ever tag him?

How can Spider-Man dodge environmental destruction?

When has Elsa destroyed an environment?

Also, it literally takes one punch from any of the Spidermen to kill Elsa

With Maguire's strength, Garfield's speed, and Holland's gear it's an easy stomp.

Each of the Spidermen could stomp Elsa alone.

Elsa has frozen all of Arendelle before without even really trying, there's nothing saying she couldn't just freeze the environment around Spidey to make his webs unable to work, or simply freeze him solid. Spidey isn't stomping anyone, lol.

She will never freeze Spidey, because she will never tag him.

How can Spidey avoid the entire environment being frozen though?

He hits her before that happens.. again Garfield statues electricity, can you show us how fast elsas power propagates?? is it faster than electricity??

You know that Elsa can create shields to defend against giant Tsunamis? Do you have any evidence to prove that Spidey can strike as hard as a Tsunami?

So she shrieked against a tunami cool.. got a speed feat that says she gets the shields up before he punches her?? I keep asking for elsa speed feats that will allow her to activate her powers before the electricity statueing Spider-Man hits her.

She might be outclassed in Speed, but saying that she gets one-shotted by Spidey is absurd, considering she has survived tsunamis falling on her, and once again, there is no evidence to say that Spider-Man can strike as hard as Tsunami.

Cool so we agree Spider-Man gets first strike.

did she tank a tsunami or Sheild from it,? You said shield from it in a earlier post.. i contend she can’t get her shiekd up before she’s punched by the guy who statued electricity... maybe you missed the feat.. (I’m willing to show 20 others if you wish)

Show me her powers working as fast as electricity or I’m going to assume they are much slower and will be statued like the electricity here in this feat..

It doesn't matter how fast Spider-Man is, I already said that one-shotting Elsa would not work due to her surviving this: https://gfycat.com/necessarymeagerincatern

Please provide evidence that Spider-Man can strike that hard.

Of course...

As you can see above that a human level feat, irl surfers consistently tank giant waves crashing on them...Spider-Man has accidentally KOd humans (flash) by moving to fast near then.

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I can show Spider-Man’s striking a few different ways, are you looking for really strong people he’s hit like sandman and lizard? Are you looking for some environmental destruction like when he hit venom around a building??Or are you looking for something with hard, quantifiable numbers like RPG proof ballistic glass??

• Cracks four inches of ballistic glass and busts through it when provided with more momentum

Im going to say outputting more damage than a RPG beats taking a wave that irl surfers regularly take as a hobby.

Did you seriously just say that hitting Venom around a building is Environmental Destruction?

I think that he thinks that you meant collateral damage.

He directly said "Are you looking for some environmental destruction" before that, so yes, he did mean it.

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@manofmanynames2 said:

Elsa honestly stomps. Too many ways to put Spidey down.

And how does she ever tag him?

How can Spider-Man dodge environmental destruction?

When has Elsa destroyed an environment?

Also, it literally takes one punch from any of the Spidermen to kill Elsa

With Maguire's strength, Garfield's speed, and Holland's gear it's an easy stomp.

Each of the Spidermen could stomp Elsa alone.

Elsa has frozen all of Arendelle before without even really trying, there's nothing saying she couldn't just freeze the environment around Spidey to make his webs unable to work, or simply freeze him solid. Spidey isn't stomping anyone, lol.

She will never freeze Spidey, because she will never tag him.

How can Spidey avoid the entire environment being frozen though?

He hits her before that happens.. again Garfield statues electricity, can you show us how fast elsas power propagates?? is it faster than electricity??

You know that Elsa can create shields to defend against giant Tsunamis? Do you have any evidence to prove that Spidey can strike as hard as a Tsunami?

So she shrieked against a tunami cool.. got a speed feat that says she gets the shields up before he punches her?? I keep asking for elsa speed feats that will allow her to activate her powers before the electricity statueing Spider-Man hits her.

She might be outclassed in Speed, but saying that she gets one-shotted by Spidey is absurd, considering she has survived tsunamis falling on her, and once again, there is no evidence to say that Spider-Man can strike as hard as Tsunami.

Cool so we agree Spider-Man gets first strike.

did she tank a tsunami or Sheild from it,? You said shield from it in a earlier post.. i contend she can’t get her shiekd up before she’s punched by the guy who statued electricity... maybe you missed the feat.. (I’m willing to show 20 others if you wish)

Show me her powers working as fast as electricity or I’m going to assume they are much slower and will be statued like the electricity here in this feat..

It doesn't matter how fast Spider-Man is, I already said that one-shotting Elsa would not work due to her surviving this: https://gfycat.com/necessarymeagerincatern

Please provide evidence that Spider-Man can strike that hard.

Of course...

As you can see above that a human level feat, irl surfers consistently tank giant waves crashing on them...Spider-Man has accidentally KOd humans (flash) by moving to fast near then.

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I can show Spider-Man’s striking a few different ways, are you looking for really strong people he’s hit like sandman and lizard? Are you looking for some environmental destruction like when he hit venom around a building??Or are you looking for something with hard, quantifiable numbers like RPG proof ballistic glass??

• Cracks four inches of ballistic glass and busts through it when provided with more momentum

Im going to say outputting more damage than a RPG beats taking a wave that irl surfers regularly take as a hobby.

Did you seriously just say that hitting Venom around a building is Environmental Destruction?

I think that he thinks that you meant collateral damage.

He directly said "Are you looking for some environmental destruction" before that, so yes, he did mean it.

Did you read what I said? He thinks that environmental destruction=collateral damage

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@manofmanynames2 said:

Elsa honestly stomps. Too many ways to put Spidey down.

And how does she ever tag him?

How can Spider-Man dodge environmental destruction?

When has Elsa destroyed an environment?

Also, it literally takes one punch from any of the Spidermen to kill Elsa

With Maguire's strength, Garfield's speed, and Holland's gear it's an easy stomp.

Each of the Spidermen could stomp Elsa alone.

Elsa has frozen all of Arendelle before without even really trying, there's nothing saying she couldn't just freeze the environment around Spidey to make his webs unable to work, or simply freeze him solid. Spidey isn't stomping anyone, lol.

She will never freeze Spidey, because she will never tag him.

How can Spidey avoid the entire environment being frozen though?

He hits her before that happens.. again Garfield statues electricity, can you show us how fast elsas power propagates?? is it faster than electricity??

You know that Elsa can create shields to defend against giant Tsunamis? Do you have any evidence to prove that Spidey can strike as hard as a Tsunami?

So she shrieked against a tunami cool.. got a speed feat that says she gets the shields up before he punches her?? I keep asking for elsa speed feats that will allow her to activate her powers before the electricity statueing Spider-Man hits her.

She might be outclassed in Speed, but saying that she gets one-shotted by Spidey is absurd, considering she has survived tsunamis falling on her, and once again, there is no evidence to say that Spider-Man can strike as hard as Tsunami.

Cool so we agree Spider-Man gets first strike.

did she tank a tsunami or Sheild from it,? You said shield from it in a earlier post.. i contend she can’t get her shiekd up before she’s punched by the guy who statued electricity... maybe you missed the feat.. (I’m willing to show 20 others if you wish)

Show me her powers working as fast as electricity or I’m going to assume they are much slower and will be statued like the electricity here in this feat..

It doesn't matter how fast Spider-Man is, I already said that one-shotting Elsa would not work due to her surviving this: https://gfycat.com/necessarymeagerincatern

Please provide evidence that Spider-Man can strike that hard.

Of course...

As you can see above that a human level feat, irl surfers consistently tank giant waves crashing on them...Spider-Man has accidentally KOd humans (flash) by moving to fast near then.

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I can show Spider-Man’s striking a few different ways, are you looking for really strong people he’s hit like sandman and lizard? Are you looking for some environmental destruction like when he hit venom around a building??Or are you looking for something with hard, quantifiable numbers like RPG proof ballistic glass??

• Cracks four inches of ballistic glass and busts through it when provided with more momentum

Im going to say outputting more damage than a RPG beats taking a wave that irl surfers regularly take as a hobby.

Did you seriously just say that hitting Venom around a building is Environmental Destruction?

I think that he thinks that you meant collateral damage.

He directly said "Are you looking for some environmental destruction" before that, so yes, he did mean it.

I generally mean what I say.

• Sends Green Goblin flying with a kick, breaking a couple of wooden walls
• • Kicks Venom hard enough to slam him through a metal plate and bend a steel beam

And I’ll always provide feats to back my position.

You gonna tell me that doesn’t oneshot Elsa??

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So I let you pick out of a bunch of feats I described.. showed that they only dura feat you showed for elsa is replicated daily by irl surfers.. and now we are at.

Spiderman speed feats shown.. Statueing electricity (can back this with a bunch of other electricity feats) and dodging bullets from 20 drones(can back with a bunch of other bullet timing.

You have agreed Spider-Man hits her before she can react so that’s settled.

Spideeman striking shown so far, busts 4 inches of ballistic glass, kicks venom and goblin through some environment.

Unless you argue that Elsa can tank shots like that, can we just call this a Spider-Man win and be cool??

@achillesspawn@death4bunnies I don't think he'd blitz Elsa because he's in character, morals are on, he has NO knowledge on Elsa or her abilities and they start 20 ft apart.

Has he ever even used this super speed in combat or just for dodging/reacting?

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Elsa honestly stomps. Too many ways to put Spidey down.

And how does she ever tag him?

How can Spider-Man dodge environmental destruction?

When has Elsa destroyed an environment?

Also, it literally takes one punch from any of the Spidermen to kill Elsa

With Maguire's strength, Garfield's speed, and Holland's gear it's an easy stomp.

Each of the Spidermen could stomp Elsa alone.

Elsa has frozen all of Arendelle before without even really trying, there's nothing saying she couldn't just freeze the environment around Spidey to make his webs unable to work, or simply freeze him solid. Spidey isn't stomping anyone, lol.

She will never freeze Spidey, because she will never tag him.

How can Spidey avoid the entire environment being frozen though?

He hits her before that happens.. again Garfield statues electricity, can you show us how fast elsas power propagates?? is it faster than electricity??

You know that Elsa can create shields to defend against giant Tsunamis? Do you have any evidence to prove that Spidey can strike as hard as a Tsunami?

So she shrieked against a tunami cool.. got a speed feat that says she gets the shields up before he punches her?? I keep asking for elsa speed feats that will allow her to activate her powers before the electricity statueing Spider-Man hits her.

She might be outclassed in Speed, but saying that she gets one-shotted by Spidey is absurd, considering she has survived tsunamis falling on her, and once again, there is no evidence to say that Spider-Man can strike as hard as Tsunami.

Cool so we agree Spider-Man gets first strike.

did she tank a tsunami or Sheild from it,? You said shield from it in a earlier post.. i contend she can’t get her shiekd up before she’s punched by the guy who statued electricity... maybe you missed the feat.. (I’m willing to show 20 others if you wish)

Show me her powers working as fast as electricity or I’m going to assume they are much slower and will be statued like the electricity here in this feat..

It doesn't matter how fast Spider-Man is, I already said that one-shotting Elsa would not work due to her surviving this: https://gfycat.com/necessarymeagerincatern

Please provide evidence that Spider-Man can strike that hard.

Of course...

As you can see above that a human level feat, irl surfers consistently tank giant waves crashing on them...Spider-Man has accidentally KOd humans (flash) by moving to fast near then.

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I can show Spider-Man’s striking a few different ways, are you looking for really strong people he’s hit like sandman and lizard? Are you looking for some environmental destruction like when he hit venom around a building??Or are you looking for something with hard, quantifiable numbers like RPG proof ballistic glass??

• Cracks four inches of ballistic glass and busts through it when provided with more momentum

Im going to say outputting more damage than a RPG beats taking a wave that irl surfers regularly take as a hobby.

Did you seriously just say that hitting Venom around a building is Environmental Destruction?

I think that he thinks that you meant collateral damage.

He directly said "Are you looking for some environmental destruction" before that, so yes, he did mean it.

I generally mean what I say.

• Sends Green Goblin flying with a kick, breaking a couple of wooden walls
• • Kicks Venom hard enough to slam him through a metal plate and bend a steel beam

And I’ll always provide feats to back my position.

You gonna tell me that doesn’t oneshot Elsa??

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So I let you pick out of a bunch of feats I described.. showed that they only dura feat you showed for elsa is replicated daily by irl surfers.. and now we are at.

Spiderman speed feats shown.. Statueing electricity (can back this with a bunch of other electricity feats) and dodging bullets from 20 drones(can back with a bunch of other bullet timing.

You have agreed Spider-Man hits her before she can react so that’s settled.

Spideeman striking shown so far, busts 4 inches of ballistic glass, kicks venom and goblin through some environment.

Unless you argue that Elsa can tank shots like that, can we just call this a Spider-Man win and be cool??

You have no idea what Environmental Destruction means in the slightest. None of those feats quantify Environmental Destruction. How in any way does breaking wooden walls cause enough power to mimic environmental destruction? Or breaking metal and a steel beam.

Andrew Garfield used the speed to save civilians and fight Electro.

MCU Spiderman used his speed to fight the drones in Far From Home.

@death4bunnies: When he says environmental destruction he mean the weather or an eco system.

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Elsa honestly stomps. Too many ways to put Spidey down.

And how does she ever tag him?

How can Spider-Man dodge environmental destruction?

When has Elsa destroyed an environment?

Also, it literally takes one punch from any of the Spidermen to kill Elsa

With Maguire's strength, Garfield's speed, and Holland's gear it's an easy stomp.

Each of the Spidermen could stomp Elsa alone.

Elsa has frozen all of Arendelle before without even really trying, there's nothing saying she couldn't just freeze the environment around Spidey to make his webs unable to work, or simply freeze him solid. Spidey isn't stomping anyone, lol.

She will never freeze Spidey, because she will never tag him.

How can Spidey avoid the entire environment being frozen though?

He hits her before that happens.. again Garfield statues electricity, can you show us how fast elsas power propagates?? is it faster than electricity??

You know that Elsa can create shields to defend against giant Tsunamis? Do you have any evidence to prove that Spidey can strike as hard as a Tsunami?

So she shrieked against a tunami cool.. got a speed feat that says she gets the shields up before he punches her?? I keep asking for elsa speed feats that will allow her to activate her powers before the electricity statueing Spider-Man hits her.

She might be outclassed in Speed, but saying that she gets one-shotted by Spidey is absurd, considering she has survived tsunamis falling on her, and once again, there is no evidence to say that Spider-Man can strike as hard as Tsunami.

Cool so we agree Spider-Man gets first strike.

did she tank a tsunami or Sheild from it,? You said shield from it in a earlier post.. i contend she can’t get her shiekd up before she’s punched by the guy who statued electricity... maybe you missed the feat.. (I’m willing to show 20 others if you wish)

Show me her powers working as fast as electricity or I’m going to assume they are much slower and will be statued like the electricity here in this feat..

It doesn't matter how fast Spider-Man is, I already said that one-shotting Elsa would not work due to her surviving this: https://gfycat.com/necessarymeagerincatern

Please provide evidence that Spider-Man can strike that hard.

Of course...

As you can see above that a human level feat, irl surfers consistently tank giant waves crashing on them...Spider-Man has accidentally KOd humans (flash) by moving to fast near then.

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I can show Spider-Man’s striking a few different ways, are you looking for really strong people he’s hit like sandman and lizard? Are you looking for some environmental destruction like when he hit venom around a building??Or are you looking for something with hard, quantifiable numbers like RPG proof ballistic glass??

• Cracks four inches of ballistic glass and busts through it when provided with more momentum

Im going to say outputting more damage than a RPG beats taking a wave that irl surfers regularly take as a hobby.

Did you seriously just say that hitting Venom around a building is Environmental Destruction?

I think that he thinks that you meant collateral damage.

He directly said "Are you looking for some environmental destruction" before that, so yes, he did mean it.

I generally mean what I say.

• Sends Green Goblin flying with a kick, breaking a couple of wooden walls
• • Kicks Venom hard enough to slam him through a metal plate and bend a steel beam

And I’ll always provide feats to back my position.

You gonna tell me that doesn’t oneshot Elsa??

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So I let you pick out of a bunch of feats I described.. showed that they only dura feat you showed for elsa is replicated daily by irl surfers.. and now we are at.

Spiderman speed feats shown.. Statueing electricity (can back this with a bunch of other electricity feats) and dodging bullets from 20 drones(can back with a bunch of other bullet timing.

You have agreed Spider-Man hits her before she can react so that’s settled.

Spideeman striking shown so far, busts 4 inches of ballistic glass, kicks venom and goblin through some environment.

Unless you argue that Elsa can tank shots like that, can we just call this a Spider-Man win and be cool??

You have no idea what Environmental Destruction means in the slightest. None of those feats quantify Environmental Destruction. How in any way does breaking wooden walls cause enough power to mimic environmental destruction? Or breaking metal and a steel beam.

Umm, showing the parts of the environment that’s destroyed by Spidermans attacks, is definitionally environmental destruction

Im going to assume by your non answer that your conceding Spiderman can oneshot, I showed multiple damage output feats that just can’t be matched by elsas dura, and as established he’s much faster.

That just means he won’t kill her not that he won’t hurt her.. i don’t know what you think he will be doing, but shooting some webs and kicking her is pretty in character.. he kicked falcon and the WS as pretty much his first move in the MCU, he slo mo beat up some drones the last time we saw him...Rami has rushed goblin (tho he was real mad) and Garfield had a whole fight that was visually near the speed of electricity vs electro..

I can show this a few ways I guess, but the best is probably a attack that has something quantifiable and has a bit of slo mo.. so vs Rhino.. there are missiles so you can see he’s using speed, he’s attacking and there is slo motion.

That’s probably the easiest way to show he uses speed in battle because it’s a attack we can see missiles and it has slo mo.

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Elsa honestly stomps. Too many ways to put Spidey down.

And how does she ever tag him?

How can Spider-Man dodge environmental destruction?

When has Elsa destroyed an environment?

Also, it literally takes one punch from any of the Spidermen to kill Elsa

With Maguire's strength, Garfield's speed, and Holland's gear it's an easy stomp.

Each of the Spidermen could stomp Elsa alone.

Elsa has frozen all of Arendelle before without even really trying, there's nothing saying she couldn't just freeze the environment around Spidey to make his webs unable to work, or simply freeze him solid. Spidey isn't stomping anyone, lol.

She will never freeze Spidey, because she will never tag him.

How can Spidey avoid the entire environment being frozen though?

He hits her before that happens.. again Garfield statues electricity, can you show us how fast elsas power propagates?? is it faster than electricity??

You know that Elsa can create shields to defend against giant Tsunamis? Do you have any evidence to prove that Spidey can strike as hard as a Tsunami?

So she shrieked against a tunami cool.. got a speed feat that says she gets the shields up before he punches her?? I keep asking for elsa speed feats that will allow her to activate her powers before the electricity statueing Spider-Man hits her.

She might be outclassed in Speed, but saying that she gets one-shotted by Spidey is absurd, considering she has survived tsunamis falling on her, and once again, there is no evidence to say that Spider-Man can strike as hard as Tsunami.

Cool so we agree Spider-Man gets first strike.

did she tank a tsunami or Sheild from it,? You said shield from it in a earlier post.. i contend she can’t get her shiekd up before she’s punched by the guy who statued electricity... maybe you missed the feat.. (I’m willing to show 20 others if you wish)

Show me her powers working as fast as electricity or I’m going to assume they are much slower and will be statued like the electricity here in this feat..

It doesn't matter how fast Spider-Man is, I already said that one-shotting Elsa would not work due to her surviving this: https://gfycat.com/necessarymeagerincatern

Please provide evidence that Spider-Man can strike that hard.

Of course...

As you can see above that a human level feat, irl surfers consistently tank giant waves crashing on them...Spider-Man has accidentally KOd humans (flash) by moving to fast near then.

—-

I can show Spider-Man’s striking a few different ways, are you looking for really strong people he’s hit like sandman and lizard? Are you looking for some environmental destruction like when he hit venom around a building??Or are you looking for something with hard, quantifiable numbers like RPG proof ballistic glass??

• Cracks four inches of ballistic glass and busts through it when provided with more momentum

Im going to say outputting more damage than a RPG beats taking a wave that irl surfers regularly take as a hobby.

Did you seriously just say that hitting Venom around a building is Environmental Destruction?

I think that he thinks that you meant collateral damage.

He directly said "Are you looking for some environmental destruction" before that, so yes, he did mean it.

I generally mean what I say.

• Sends Green Goblin flying with a kick, breaking a couple of wooden walls
• • Kicks Venom hard enough to slam him through a metal plate and bend a steel beam

And I’ll always provide feats to back my position.

You gonna tell me that doesn’t oneshot Elsa??

——

So I let you pick out of a bunch of feats I described.. showed that they only dura feat you showed for elsa is replicated daily by irl surfers.. and now we are at.

Spiderman speed feats shown.. Statueing electricity (can back this with a bunch of other electricity feats) and dodging bullets from 20 drones(can back with a bunch of other bullet timing.

You have agreed Spider-Man hits her before she can react so that’s settled.

Spideeman striking shown so far, busts 4 inches of ballistic glass, kicks venom and goblin through some environment.

Unless you argue that Elsa can tank shots like that, can we just call this a Spider-Man win and be cool??

You have no idea what Environmental Destruction means in the slightest. None of those feats quantify Environmental Destruction. How in any way does breaking wooden walls cause enough power to mimic environmental destruction? Or breaking metal and a steel beam.

Umm, showing the parts of the environment that’s destroyed by Spidermans attacks, is definitionally environmental destruction

Im going to assume by your non answer that your conceding Spiderman can oneshot, I showed multiple damage output feats that just can’t be matched by elsas dura, and as established he’s much faster.

Umm, no it's not. Can you prove that those attacks can reach over 8 gigatons of TNT?