MCU: Ronin and Black Widow replace Captain America in his movies. Do they succeed?

BTW, if cap stalled an opponent, they just have to stall the opponent as well

Iron Man is their hardest fight. With the Vibranium weapons, they could probably damage his armor by shooting him while Bucky fights in close

They succeed and duo Thanos. There is a reason the Russos did not allow him to fight Ronin and Black Widow.

@the_hajduk: op says till IW and Cap never came close to beating Thanos in IW

They would succeed individually.

@anthp2000: do u have an actual case for either soloing? I think Widow is underrated but she isn’t good enough in CQC to make up the stat difference, DD or May aren’t good enough either

@zr2011:

I could make a case for them clearing any Cap fight really - unless it's stuff like an unarmed Clint/Widow taking on a Super Soldier+ opponent, but Cap's never done that. They're much better trained fighters all things considered, wether it's ranged or close combat. Whatever they lack in physical stats, they more than make up for it with their gear, stealth and armor, more diverse than Cap's and directly lethal or whatnot.

Neither of them is clearing the elevator alone. As a duo, they have a shot.

No.

^ this they likely die in many different scenarios especially from winter soldier onwards.

Even elevator?

@ourmanuel: yeah, pretty sure I've discussed this in another relevant thread

@anthp2000: care to elaborate or link the thread and post #? I don’t see how Clint takes down a single one of rumlow’s men

They freeze to death after defeating Red Skull. Or Thor kills them by accident in Avengers. Any number of falls Cap takes would kill these two or put them in the hospital, like the airplane jump in Winter Soldier or jumping out of the elevator. They don't get past the jet outside of the Triskelion.

@beh8272: I can't find the thread but yes, I can elaborate later and make a complete case for them.

They’d die in TWS, Ultron would kill them in AoU, they won’t catch up to Bucky and T’Challa in CW and they’d lose to Iron Man.