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#1 Posted by lubub55 (12877 posts) - - Show Bio

The Punisher

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Tobias Church

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Rules:

  • Frank knows that Tobias is a criminal and Tobias knows that Frank is a vigilante.
  • Both are in-character.
  • Pure melee. Tobias' knuckledusters are allowed though.
  • Random encounter
  • Standard elimination rules apply.

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#3 Posted by Nefarious (35647 posts) - - Show Bio

Church was holding his own against GA for a bit. He should win here.

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#4 Posted by MICKEY-MOUSE (36603 posts) - - Show Bio

I think I will take Church. Although to be clear Arrow lost that 2nd fight on purpose. But, he seemed pretty strong and durable and I bit more skilled than Frank.

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#5 Posted by solo788 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

GA is definitely more skilled then frank but frank is waaaay more vicious and has damage soak. Frank takes it mid high without knuckle dusters, with them I still say frank but church takes him to the limit

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#6 Edited by jayskee (4820 posts) - - Show Bio

Frank stomps

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#7 Posted by Pokeysteve (12017 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm. Frank took on a cell blocks worth of dudes and killed them all. Church hung with Ollie for a bit. I'm not sure which feat is better. My gut is pulling me toward Castle in a great fight but my gut sure does love the Punisher.

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#8 Posted by WF_Mxyzptlk (6794 posts) - - Show Bio

Church. Arrow outclasses Frank.

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#9 Posted by HeroUp2112 (18164 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm. Frank took on a cell blocks worth of dudes and killed them all. Church hung with Ollie for a bit. I'm not sure which feat is better. My gut is pulling me toward Castle in a great fight but my gut sure does love the Punisher.

Frank outlasts him and goes for sure kill shots.

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#10 Posted by CelestialKnight (1460 posts) - - Show Bio

Frank. Church may have hung around with Oliver for a bit but not long. Still got whooped convincingly.

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#11 Posted by mrmonster (14675 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher

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#12 Posted by uugieboogie (13023 posts) - - Show Bio

Tobias fought and lost to Ollie. He stomps.

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#13 Posted by AllStarSuperman (43018 posts) - - Show Bio

Tobias survived an explosive arrow. He also kicked Wilddogs ass, who is closer to Punisher, then Punisher is to Ollie.

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#14 Posted by those_eyes (17291 posts) - - Show Bio

Out of bias towards arrow I will say frank winds. Lol

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#16 Posted by RBT (27164 posts) - - Show Bio

Church

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#17 Posted by hulkbuster94 (984 posts) - - Show Bio

Frank wins his damage soak is awesome, he is more vicious than arrow, plus he gave daredevil and mobsters a decent fight,the only reason he lost to fisk was because he had all the advantages and even then fisk wasn't able too knock him out Frank basically got back up right away. and that fight wasn't a stomp Frank traded blows with kingpin.

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#18 Edited by MUVDCU (939 posts) - - Show Bio

@hulkbuster94: Also his fight with kingpin was after he fought and killed the prisoners if he fought him fresh it would've been an even closer fight, hell he may have actually won.

I say Frank, I think that he might get hurt bad but he's gonna eventually take over the fight IMO.

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#19 Posted by Stahlflamme (5693 posts) - - Show Bio

Frank, Church struggled against wild dog in that airport fight. And Frank is way above wild dog.

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#20 Posted by lubub55 (12877 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#21 Posted by HeroUp2112 (18164 posts) - - Show Bio

@muvdcu said:

@hulkbuster94: Also his fight with kingpin was after he fought and killed the prisoners if he fought him fresh it would've been an even closer fight, hell he may have actually won.

I say Frank, I think that he might get hurt bad but he's gonna eventually take over the fight IMO.

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#22 Posted by rogueshadow (29174 posts) - - Show Bio

@muvdcu said:

@hulkbuster94: Also his fight with kingpin was after he fought and killed the prisoners if he fought him fresh it would've been an even closer fight, hell he may have actually won.

I say Frank, I think that he might get hurt bad but he's gonna eventually take over the fight IMO.

He was also chained, which was a major factor, and not just in terms of dexterity, there's actually point in the fight where Frank can't press his attack when Fisk staggers back, giving Fisk the chance to recover. But then, Frank did surprise headbutt him, lol. The fact that Frank remained conscious and able to stand after being pounded like that says a lot, it looked like like being stamped on by an angry Gorilla. Fisk was lifting about 500lb earlier on IIRC.

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Regarding this fight, I'd back Frank.

He was giving Ollie a decent fight, but also struggled with Wild Dog, who Oliver can demolish. So he's somewhere between those two characters. Not much to go on.

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#23 Posted by nfactor1995 (12828 posts) - - Show Bio

Church should win this.

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#24 Posted by Thorthunder98 (6609 posts) - - Show Bio

Frank should win Church didn't impress me much with Oliver the only time he did good against him was when Oliver was trying to lose

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#25 Edited by jayc1324 (26421 posts) - - Show Bio

I never understood why everyone sees Church so highly on this site

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#26 Posted by Number1Boss (197 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably Frank.

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#29 Edited by AllStarSuperman (43018 posts) - - Show Bio

@rogueshadow: Awesome. Prom is right up there with Slade/Merlyn (pre-jobber status) for best villain IMO. Not to mention Dolph effing Lundgren is on the show now. That fight with him was the tits.

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#30 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (15388 posts) - - Show Bio

Frank

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#31 Edited by rogueshadow (29174 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman said:

@rogueshadow: Awesome. Prom is right up there with Slade/Merlyn (pre-jobber status) for best villain IMO. Not to mention Dolph effing Lundgren is on the show now. That fight with him was the tits.

Lol. I'm kind of hoping Kovar survives and becomes a version of KGBeast in current-time next season. Have a feeling he's gonna die though.

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#32 Edited by AllStarSuperman (43018 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman said:

@rogueshadow: Awesome. Prom is right up there with Slade/Merlyn (pre-jobber status) for best villain IMO. Not to mention Dolph effing Lundgren is on the show now. That fight with him was the tits.

Lol. I'm kind of hoping Kovar survives and becomes a version of KGBeast in current-time next season. Have a feeling he's gonna die though.

Exactly what I want to happen as well.

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#33 Posted by lubub55 (12877 posts) - - Show Bio
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#34 Posted by DanielDaRipper (5301 posts) - - Show Bio

Church

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#35 Posted by GeorgeWBush (11581 posts) - - Show Bio

Not sure

definitely a good fight though

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#36 Posted by The_Magister (13493 posts) - - Show Bio

Tobias Church takes this.

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#37 Posted by deactivated-5c5b707b903ea (5 posts) - - Show Bio

Frank murders him. These Arrow characters are overrated as hell.

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#38 Posted by JacenSolo77 (1228 posts) - - Show Bio

Frank stomps the overrated hack.

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#39 Posted by deactivated-5c60ecae36801 (745 posts) - - Show Bio

Frank stomps.

GA jobbing as normal doesn't effect Frank.

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#40 Posted by GeorgeWBush (11581 posts) - - Show Bio

Frank kills him

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#41 Posted by o0Deadman0o (460 posts) - - Show Bio

If DD feats are allowed he got tortured and basically laughed through it iirc. He 1v1d DD, fought several men with shivs in a tight prison hallway... church will be a joke. He laughs at kingpin to his face.

That should be a battle. Church vs kingpin.