MCU Punisher vs Tobias Church

The Punisher

Tobias Church

Rules:

• Frank knows that Tobias is a criminal and Tobias knows that Frank is a vigilante.
• Both are in-character.
• Pure melee. Tobias' knuckledusters are allowed though.
• Random encounter
• Standard elimination rules apply.

Location:

Callouts

Church was holding his own against GA for a bit. He should win here.

I think I will take Church. Although to be clear Arrow lost that 2nd fight on purpose. But, he seemed pretty strong and durable and I bit more skilled than Frank.

GA is definitely more skilled then frank but frank is waaaay more vicious and has damage soak. Frank takes it mid high without knuckle dusters, with them I still say frank but church takes him to the limit

Frank stomps

Hmm. Frank took on a cell blocks worth of dudes and killed them all. Church hung with Ollie for a bit. I'm not sure which feat is better. My gut is pulling me toward Castle in a great fight but my gut sure does love the Punisher.

Church. Arrow outclasses Frank.

Frank outlasts him and goes for sure kill shots.

Frank. Church may have hung around with Oliver for a bit but not long. Still got whooped convincingly.

Punisher

Tobias fought and lost to Ollie. He stomps.

Tobias survived an explosive arrow. He also kicked Wilddogs ass, who is closer to Punisher, then Punisher is to Ollie.

Out of bias towards arrow I will say frank winds. Lol

Church

Frank wins his damage soak is awesome, he is more vicious than arrow, plus he gave daredevil and mobsters a decent fight,the only reason he lost to fisk was because he had all the advantages and even then fisk wasn't able too knock him out Frank basically got back up right away. and that fight wasn't a stomp Frank traded blows with kingpin.

@hulkbuster94: Also his fight with kingpin was after he fought and killed the prisoners if he fought him fresh it would've been an even closer fight, hell he may have actually won.

I say Frank, I think that he might get hurt bad but he's gonna eventually take over the fight IMO.

Frank, Church struggled against wild dog in that airport fight. And Frank is way above wild dog.

Bump.

He was also chained, which was a major factor, and not just in terms of dexterity, there's actually point in the fight where Frank can't press his attack when Fisk staggers back, giving Fisk the chance to recover. But then, Frank did surprise headbutt him, lol. The fact that Frank remained conscious and able to stand after being pounded like that says a lot, it looked like like being stamped on by an angry Gorilla. Fisk was lifting about 500lb earlier on IIRC.

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Regarding this fight, I'd back Frank.

He was giving Ollie a decent fight, but also struggled with Wild Dog, who Oliver can demolish. So he's somewhere between those two characters. Not much to go on.

Church should win this.

Frank should win Church didn't impress me much with Oliver the only time he did good against him was when Oliver was trying to lose

I never understood why everyone sees Church so highly on this site

Probably Frank.

@rogueshadow: You're watching Arrow again?

Indeed. Binge watched season 5. The show is back on form.

@rogueshadow: Awesome. Prom is right up there with Slade/Merlyn (pre-jobber status) for best villain IMO. Not to mention Dolph effing Lundgren is on the show now. That fight with him was the tits.

Lol. I'm kind of hoping Kovar survives and becomes a version of KGBeast in current-time next season. Have a feeling he's gonna die though.

Exactly what I want to happen as well.

Church

Not sure

definitely a good fight though

Tobias Church takes this.

Frank murders him. These Arrow characters are overrated as hell.

Frank stomps the overrated hack.

Frank stomps.

GA jobbing as normal doesn't effect Frank.

Frank kills him

If DD feats are allowed he got tortured and basically laughed through it iirc. He 1v1d DD, fought several men with shivs in a tight prison hallway... church will be a joke. He laughs at kingpin to his face.

That should be a battle. Church vs kingpin.