MCU Prime Wanda vs OWK Prime Kenobi (Canon)

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MoM Wanda

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Canon Disney Kenobi(All canon comics, movies, series)

(Post-Hole Suited Vader level Kenobi)

MoM Wanda(All Canon MCU feats)

They start 30ft apart on the final battle planet in the Kenobi finale.

Bloodlusted

Who takes this?

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Obi-wan starts throwing rocks and comic vine loses their mind.

This is a joke lmfao.

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Obi-wan starts throwing rocks and comic vine loses their mind.

This is a joke lmfao.

Tell me you don't know Star Wars power-scaling, without telling me you don't know Star Wars power-scaling:

Kenobi & Vader's Telekinesis >>>>>>>> Wanda's:

Base RoTS Anakin Skywalker already scales above Yoda in Force Power. Who performed this feat Pre-RoTS:

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And RoTJ Darth Vader has long since surpassed Anakin, Yoda and the RoTS titans and left them in the dust.

Kenobi & Vader's TP/Resistance >>>>>>> Wanda's.

He already scales above what's essentially a noob Luke that can resist City-level TP:

In Rouge one, when Death Star destroyed a city, it left behind an area of death in the Force which corrupts any sentient being in the area. It was a city wide population that created the dark side power/ wound there. Chulco took just “one step” and was driven to mad, trying to kill Luke. Even peaceful worms were being driven mad by the area. All sentient life within the city scope was corrupted yet Luke could easily resist:

https://imgur.com/a/DtOV77q

And Vader probes Luke's mind later without any trouble :

Luke closed his eyes. I’m sorry, Leia and Han. I’d do anything to save you, but I must resist the dark side. Suddenly, Luke felt a dull ache in his head, and sensed that Vader was using the Force to probe his mind.

“Yes, your thoughts betray you,” Vader spoke, confirming Luke’s suspicion. “Your feelings for them are strong. Especially for …”

Luke tried to block his thoughts — and failed. (p.244/284)

he does not tk spam as the first move, but rather ignites lightsaber and either charges or waits for his enemies to attack.

Credit to Eredin12 for the feat below:

Given that Luke fully no sold city level TP when he was not on the level of his father , i would love to know what makes you think that? Especially when Vader just needs single thought while resisting him, which he can use in millisecond or less given his shown reaction time to kill Xavier, by crushing his heart like this, before any of them can capitalize on it:

He began to pace again. “It has come to my attention that a certain being present has failed to grasp that his recent actions reflect a flagrant disrespect for the Emperor. His brazen behavior suggests that he actually takes some pride in his actions. But his duplicity has not gone unnoticed. We are pleased to be able to make an example of him, so that the rest of you might profit at his expense.”

Vader came to an abrupt stop, scanning his audience and certainly sending shivers of fear through everyone—Toydarian, Dug, and Devaronian alike. As his raised right hand curled slowly into a fist, many of them began nervously tugging at the collars of their tunics and cloaks. But it was the Twi’lek prefect, standing not a meter from the Dark Lord, who unexpectedly gasped and brought his hands to his chest as if he had just taken a spear to the heart. Phoca Soot’s lekku shot straight out from the sides of his head as if he were being electrocuted, and he collapsed to his knees in obvious agony, his breath caught in his throat and blood vessels in his head-tails beginning to rupture. His eyes glazed over and his red skin began to pale; then his arms flew back from his chest as if in an act of desperate supplication, and he tipped backward, the left side of his head slamming hard against the blood-slicked floor.

-- Tarkin

People that say he loses, or even struggles against Wanda. Either don't know anything about Star Wars. Or are just being trolls/plain ignorant for the sake of their Waifu.

You see, it's not about throwing rocks. It's about who throws those rocks. Vader was straight-up helpless against Kenobi's assault, despite the former already scaling comfortably above Base RoTS Anakin, who scales to Yoda. Same Yoda that stop a mountain pre-prime. After giving said mountain some of his life force, which exhuasted him.

Wanda has nothing on TK on that level. And her TP will do nothing. Her reality warping is her only hope. Which won't happen thanks to Kenobi's superior speed + precog.

Kenobi can simply ragdoll/paste/decapitate/mind-rape her. Wanda has no chance against a determined, In-Character Kenobi. Let alone a bloodlusted one who won't hesitate to perform any of the above.

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Wanda, easily.

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kenobi shits on the fodder witch

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Wanda reality warps him.

Kenobi in the show >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wanda phase 4 though

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@eredin12 said:
@lazerbeak said:

Wanda reality warps him.

Kenobi in the show >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wanda phase 4 though

Seems like all threads your argument is " muh Wanda reality warps " , as if bloodlusted Obi Wan would just stand there and let much slower glass canon that he can one shot in many ways simply hit him first, because reasons i guess ? You should try to be at least bit more creative with your answers.

”all threads” stop complaining. I don’t care if you think so all I said if Wanda reality warps him. Never said kill, or defeat.

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Wanda ends his existence, canon, legends, doesn't matter.

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Bloodlusted Kenobi can necksnap via TK, but realistically in most fights Wanda is going to pull some kind of hax

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Wanda reality warps him.

Kenobi in the show >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wanda phase 4 though

@kaore said:

Bloodlusted Kenobi can necksnap via TK, but realistically in most fights Wanda is going to pull some kind of hax

Her only means of winning is to land a reality warp. And that's if a BLOODLUSTED Obi-Wan stands still and let's her do her thing, while resisting the urge to blitz, ragdoll, paste & mind-rape her.

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@cryolancer47: Well you are correct. She’d give him hell though. I feel like she needs better speed feats in order to win which most MCU characters lack

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@lazerbeak: Her giving him hell is pretty unlikely. Seeing how he has precog that will essentially give him a heads up to what she's gonna do. As well having TK to just end her within the blink of an eye in the bloodlusted state. Or just blitzing/Dominating her mind. Kenobi has many options to humiliate or one-shot. Which Wanda can't counter, or even contend in (TK/TP/Speed).

Agreed on the speed thing, though. Cause even Canon Star Wars is too fast for the MCU character.

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@lazerbeak: Her giving him hell is pretty unlikely. Seeing how he has precog that will essentially give him a heads up to what she's gonna do. As well having TK to just end her within the blink of an eye in the bloodlusted state. Or just blitzing/Dominating her mind. Kenobi has many options to humiliate or one-shot. Which Wanda can't counter, or even contend in (TK/TP/Speed).

Agreed on the speed thing, though. Cause even Canon Star Wars is too fast for the MCU character.

You are correct there as well. I feel like the reality warping though would do damage but she’s slow. Unlike their comic/animated forms she’s slow while they’re faster, same goes for canon/legends. If only mcu had good consistent speed feats lmao.

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Wanda due to reality warping.

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@lazerbeak: You are saying that like Star Wars has consistent speed feats.

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Y’all gotta stop this 🤦🏿‍♂️.

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#21  Edited By CryoLancer47

@lazerbeak:MCU Tony Stark, Thor & Thanos, are the ones to go to for consistency.

Especially in Tony's case. He had consistent reactions as far as Phase 1:

Iron Man actually has a couple of really impressive reaction time feats.

From Iron Man
From Iron Man

Here Iron Man dodges a missile from a tank after it had been fired. Assuming that is a HE shell, it's going at roughly 1.2 KM per second.

From Iron Man 2
From Iron Man 2

Again we have Tony dodging a missile after it has been fired.

From Iron Man 2
From Iron Man 2

Here he dodges a weight thrown by War Machine. While not as impressive as the other two, it still serves to show Iron Man's impressive reaction time in H2H.

What makes the last one so impressive, is that he performed it while he was drunk.

He also seems to like bullrushing his enemies:

From Avengers
From Avengers
From Avengers
From Avengers
From Iron Man
From Iron Man

And using smart tactics to get the upper-hand, when he's overpowered. As shown when he disoriented Bucky to try and beat him when he didn't have his suit on:

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And he's by far the most consistent character speed wise in the MCU:

Here he slams a building sized spaceship onto Thanos, before the latter can use the Power-stone on him.

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Here after the suit was horribly damaged, and he still reacts and blocks a hit from Thanos.

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Here he staggers Cull Obsidian, dazing him for several seconds, with a punch:

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Mind you, Cull is barley bothered by Hulkbuster's repeated punches:

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Iron Man can move fast enough to close the distance, to stagger and hurt Thanos.

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He, again, stops another possible attack from Thanos, and quickly stops any attempt at using the Gauntlet, before he draws blood from the Mad Titan:

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While Thanos wasn't affected much by the punch. It still staggered and pierced his skin.

Same skin that took Wanda's TK, and only got his armor damaged in the process. Without any actual scratch on his body. The only thing Wanda got out of him was a scream. Which was replicated by Worthy Cap when he brought down Lightning on Thanos.

And makes Tony the second Person to actually damage the Mad Titan in a meaningful way, along with Thor's Storm-Breaker.

Tony is honestly the Goat, and one of, if not THE most consistent LA MCU character when it comes to combat & reaction speed.

Wanda's best speed feat is barley blocking Thanos's hits, and clearly struggling and getting pushed back by him when he was a brick with 0 versatility. And there's no indication that she got faster after that.

And now we have her barely reacting to Cannon balls. Not moving out of the way of Strange's slow ass spell that broke the roof that kept the water from coming down on her. Even though she clearly reacted before Strange turned around to run. Granted the above can be attributes to shifty writing. But my main argument is consistency.

And Tony clearly is more consistently fast than Wanda is.

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Wanda would win in an actual fight on-screen. Although realistically it's a drawing situation

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Come on guys you know by now how this goes

Obi chops her up

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Wanda would get oneshot by Vader, tking him is beyond anything she has ever done in live action feats.

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@gaoron said:

@lazerbeak: You are saying that like Star Wars has consistent speed feats.

Never said they even have speed feats

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@lazerbeak:MCU Tony Stark, Thor & Thanos, are the ones to go to for consistency.

Especially in Tony's case. He had consistent reactions as far as Phase 1:

Iron Man actually has a couple of really impressive reaction time feats.

From Iron Man
From Iron Man

Here Iron Man dodges a missile from a tank after it had been fired. Assuming that is a HE shell, it's going at roughly 1.2 KM per second.

From Iron Man 2
From Iron Man 2

Again we have Tony dodging a missile after it has been fired.

From Iron Man 2
From Iron Man 2

Here he dodges a weight thrown by War Machine. While not as impressive as the other two, it still serves to show Iron Man's impressive reaction time in H2H.

What makes the last one so impressive, is that he performed it while he was drunk.

He also seems to like bullrushing his enemies:

From Avengers
From Avengers
From Avengers
From Avengers
From Iron Man
From Iron Man

And using smart tactics to get the upper-hand, when he's overpowered. As shown when he disoriented Bucky to try and beat him when he didn't have his suit on:

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And he's by far the most consistent character speed wise in the MCU:

Here he slams a building sized spaceship onto Thanos, before the latter can use the Power-stone on him.

No Caption Provided

Here after the suit was horribly damaged, and he still reacts and blocks a hit from Thanos.

No Caption Provided

Here he staggers Cull Obsidian, dazing him for several seconds, with a punch:

No Caption Provided

Mind you, Cull is barley bothered by Hulkbuster's repeated punches:

No Caption Provided

Iron Man can move fast enough to close the distance, to stagger and hurt Thanos.

No Caption Provided

He, again, stops another possible attack from Thanos, and quickly stops any attempt at using the Gauntlet, before he draws blood from the Mad Titan:

No Caption Provided

While Thanos wasn't affected much by the punch. It still staggered and pierced his skin.

Same skin that took Wanda's TK, and only got his armor damaged in the process. Without any actual scratch on his body. The only thing Wanda got out of him was a scream. Which was replicated by Worthy Cap when he brought down Lightning on Thanos.

And makes Tony the second Person to actually damage the Mad Titan in a meaningful way, along with Thor's Storm-Breaker.

Tony is honestly the Goat, and one of, if not THE most consistent LA MCU character when it comes to combat & reaction speed.

Wanda's best speed feat is barley blocking Thanos's hits, and clearly struggling and getting pushed back by him when he was a brick with 0 versatility. And there's no indication that she got faster after that.

And now we have her barely reacting to Cannon balls. Not moving out of the way of Strange's slow ass spell that broke the roof that kept the water from coming down on her. Even though she clearly reacted before Strange turned around to run. Granted the above can be attributes to shifty writing. But my main argument is consistency.

And Tony clearly is more consistently fast than Wanda is.

Yeah, Stark has the best feats. Not sure why anyone else does at all. Wanda is powerful af yet is slow which really downgrades her by a lot. I mean doesn’t Spidey and Cap have those feats as well? Evading lighting, bullets, etc?

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#30  Edited By dark_globe
@cryolancer47 said:

Her only means of winning is to land a reality warp. And that's if a BLOODLUSTED Obi-Wan stands still and let's her do her thing, while resisting the urge to blitz, ragdoll, paste & mind-rape her.

mind r... her ? ou yeah that would be great idea - exept
an omega level mutant telepath already tried that for a few seconds
and you know ... got his neck snapped by her .
needless to say kenobi doesn´t have nearly as much TP power as charles ,
in fact she could mind f... him if she wants to ,
she can put him in some kind of a projection which he will perceive as "reality"

seriously though - no mortal force user can compete with her ,
put abeloth or the father or other force entities against her and we can talk ,
but even that would not be enough to stop her .

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@eredin12: The summa Vader overpowered was confirmed to be 200 meters tall in the same Vader comic.

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Prime Wanda is more powerful than Thanos and is the strongest Avenger. She wins with mid-diff at worst.

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#35  Edited By lazerbeak
@dark_globe said:
@cryolancer47 said:

Her only means of winning is to land a reality warp. And that's if a BLOODLUSTED Obi-Wan stands still and let's her do her thing, while resisting the urge to blitz, ragdoll, paste & mind-rape her.

mind r... her ? ou yeah that would be great idea - exept

an omega level mutant telepath already tried that for a few seconds

and you know ... got his neck snapped by her .

needless to say kenobi doesn´t have nearly as much TP power as charles ,

in fact she could mind f... him if she wants to ,

she can put him in some kind of a projection which he will perceive as "reality"

seriously though - no mortal force user can compete with her ,

put abeloth or the father or other force entities against her and we can talk ,

but even that would not be enough to stop her .

Abeloth ain’t that weak lmao she’d solo live action mcu but dormammu and the celestials solos the verse

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I don't believe Kenobi has feats to contend with Wanda at her strongest.

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@eredin12 said:

@dark_globe:

This version of Charles is featless fodder, he has no actual TP feats worth naming, while Vader has city level TP feats in canon, as Luke no sold city level TP attack and Vader probed his mind, so no Wanda is not TP ing him

Lmao, she is fodder to even Legends mid tier, much less likes of Abeloth or Father, Obi Wan here would blitz and snap her neck, she is still glass canon to him. Much slower one.

doctor strange is very powerful in every universe we have seen ,
charles is in his wheelchair which means he went through similar accident as he did in our universe ,
and he is obviously not living some "housewife" life as wanda in his universe ,
he is on active duty and he is on the council of superheroes
(you can imagine he is not there for his physical superpowers) , so the only logical conclusion is that he is still
an omega level telepath in this other universe , he even walks to the room with wanda and attemt to stop/contain her ,
which he fails to do .
remember much weaker version of wanda from age of ultron already mind f...ed pretty much the entire avengers team
including a being as powerful as thor .
she is definitely not fodder to any SW character i can think of . and obi wan is not getting past her TK and her defences ,
she can turn his lightsaber into bubbles if she want to and he is not speedblitzing either ,
wanda while dreamwalking in her doppelgangers body defeated captain marvel with low diff .
obi wan is not strong enough to dance with someone who can no sell headbutt from thanos
and survive direct hit from power stone as cap. america did and wanda beats her like she is nothing .

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#42  Edited By macattack1

Wanda wins.

But I’m guessing that’ll be an unpopular opinion because people on this site highball Star Wars characters so much

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@eredin12 said:

@dark_globe:

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That Charles does not even exist in main universe of MCU, we only saw him in multiverse, and he is confirmed to be Cartoon Charles, who has no TP feats even near ones Vader has. Avengers also have no TP resistance feats. Force users do.

Her TK is much weaker than his own, check post 5, her best TK feat is overpowering Thanos, that does not compare with TK feats Vader and Yoda have, to which amped Obi scales above. Captain Marvel she fought was knocked out by Statue, literally by 100 ton statue, she is nowhere near Carol and does not scale to her feats

Even if she did, Carol would also get wrecked by likes of Vader.

your attempts of low balling charles are cute ,
but it is blatantly obvious which version of charles we see in this movie
- an omega level mutant telepath charles - the same we saw in x-men movies .
(he is obviously used as a " plot device" (along with other superheroes)
to show us just how much of a threat wanda is and how powerful she is)

captain marvel got crushed by a statue because wanda absorbed her powers/energy and made her weak
(basically she was left as a human durability level being when the statue fell on her)
she stomps obi-wan and any other mortal force user for that matter .

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#45  Edited By fuse106

Obi-Wan bested prime Vader, there's nothing else to say. He stomps Wanda.

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@eredin12: Can I get the scan for the millions of tons statement?

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#48  Edited By dark_globe

@eredin12:

did vader just force choke the monster ? because unless he actually lifted it and ragdoll it around it is
not a "weight lifting" TK feat .

@eredin12 said:

@dark_globe:

Same actor, does not mean same character, as you can read in post 40, this one was confirmed to be its own unique variant, he has no connection to X man movies, other than same actor

and yet it is still blatantly obvious he is ment to be as powerful as x-men charles in this universe .
as i said the audience know him and it is an easy way to showcase
how powerful the character you want to highlight really is in comparison to charles and captain marvel (plot device) .
captain america and dr. strange from other realities also have the same power levels , characteristics and skill sets
as they have in our universe so ne reason to think charles got nerfed/altered
in terms of his powers here .

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What's the consensus on the force working on beings that are outside the StarWars galaxy in canon? I know in legends the force has no affect on beings from outside the main galaxy like the Yuuzhan Vong which would suggest outside characters not being affected as well.

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