The originals. The only real hope for the New Avengers would be the time stone, since they don't have it, there's not much they can do to defend themselves.
The originals. The only real hope for the New Avengers would be the time stone, since they don't have it, there's not much they can do to defend themselves.
Original Team, Thor, Hulk,, Strange & Vision are the only ones who really matter, Iron Man just gets Drained by Vision, and Cap / Hawkeye / Widow / Panther / Bucky / Falcon are all irrelevant.
Original Team, Thor, Hulk,, Strange & Vision are the only ones who really matter, Iron Man just gets Drained by Vision, and Cap / Hawkeye / Widow / Panther / Bucky / Falcon are all irrelevant.
The only threats on the New Avengers are Scarlet Witch, Vision, and Strange. The other 3 get overwhelmed so fast. So really It’s Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Captain America Vs. Vision, Wanda, and Stephen... RIP New Avengers.
Originals dominate pretty hard. Imagine Civil War.....only Thor and Hulk are both on one side.
Right off the bat, Thor and Hulk can oneshot everyone on the other team with physical attacks, except maybe Vision. Thor can killshot anyone with lightning and Stormbreaker combo, and Stormbreaker can overpower any energy attack from the other team. Tony provides overwhelming technical support and suppression, and can beat anyone on the other team in H2H. Thor, Hulk, and Iron Man are not just heavy hitters. They are also extremely durable. With Cap co-ordinating the assault and providing assistance to the 3 heavy hitters should they need it, I really don't see how team 1 can go wrong.
This thread is funny. Thor or Hulk is not stomping team 2. People seem to forget that Wanda singlehandedly beat all of team 1 except for Hawkeye. And she wasn't even trying to harm them.
Also, Strange has BFR here so he is imo the most valued member on the new team. He can put Hulk in the mirror dimension or worse like Wong did to Cull Obsidian.
Vision can handle Toney. Cap, Clint and Widdow gets smashed by Panther, Buckey and Falcon.
Wanda "beat" them by sneaking up on them and giving them visions. Thor and Natasha was walking around with their guards down, and Cap was knocked out by Quicksilver. The one guy that was actually paying attention to his surroundings easily countered her, and he's a regular dude with a bow and arrow. Wanda has never managed to do anything like this against opponents that were actually paying attention to her. Not against anyone at the Civil War airport fight, despite it being a situation where it would be extremely beneficial. Not against Proxima or Corvus, despite Vision's life being at risk. Not against Thanos, despite both Vision and half the universe being at risk. The only way Wanda is taking out the other team members by messing with their minds is if she sneaks up on them. All the original Avengers have to do to counter this is literally have Tony and Thor fly around in circles.
BFR is restricted in this thread, but I agree that Strange is still MVP for team 2.
Also, the only reason Thor doesn't start blasting with lightning prior to Ragnarok is because he couldn't freely use lightning. Post-Ragnarok, that isn't an issue. In the battle of Wakanda, all of Thor's attacks had lightning. In fact, the only time where Thor used an attack that wasn't using some sort of lightning was when he attacked Thanos after Hulk was beaten, and by that time he was exhausted.
The New ones definitely win. I'd argue Strange and Wanda are the most powerful characters here. Thor is not matching both of them, esspecially not with Vision here too. The Hulk and Iron Man aren't on the same actual tier as all these people IMO, so they're down. The street levellers aren't particularly relevant, but for what it's worth, Bucky or Sam can give good fights to any of the 3 OGs, and Panther could probably even solo them.
Hulk and Thor can one shot everyone here.original avenger win
This guy gets it.
Hulk's kick can cripple a supersoldier with a variant of Captain America's super soldier serum. At the very least that means Scarlet Witch, Winter Soldier, Strange, and Falcon are all oneshottable. Thanos is basically Hulk level in physical stats with much better boxing skills. Even if you argue that Thanos is physically stronger, the difference isn't that huge. Thanos can easily oneshot both Panther and Wanda. He didn't have to use any of the stones to deliver enough force to knock out Panther in his vibranium suit, and Thanos wasn't even looking in Scarlet Witch's direction when he slapped her unconscious. If Hulk has like 70-80% the physical strength of Thanos, he is taking anyone on the New Avengers team if he gets a clean hit in. Except for maybe Vision.
Thor is even more overpowered. With Hulk you can maybe make the argument that Strange or Wanda can shield against his punches, so Hulk has to fight his way to a knockout. With Thor, he has the ability to throw Stormbreaker through a blast from the completed Infinity Gauntlet. Thor will easily be able to throw this through Wanda's energy blasts, which was overpowered by a space stone barrier. Or Strange's shield, which was shattered by Thanos' kick. The only realistic defense against Stormbreaker throw is to have Strange try to BFR it, and that can easily be avoided if Thor summons a lightning blast from the sky to stun Strange first.
And really, Thor and Hulk aren't alone. They have Tony, who is capable of carpet bombing the battlefield. Which coincidentally, can be argued to be capable of taking out most people on team 2. Then they have Cap, which unlike T'Challa actually knows the people on his team. So really, on top of having better firepower, physical strength, and durability, the Original Avengers is likely to even have better teamwork.
Dr. Strange can pretty much beat anyone here. Vision will give a good fight to either Ironman or Thor. Wanda can handle Hulk just as she was doing to Thanos and Thanos is stronger than Hulk.
Furthermore on Team 1 we have Cap, Black widow and Hawkeye vs Winter Soldier, Black Panther and Falcon on Team 2 which basically is one skilled supersoldier and two skilled normal humans vs 2 skilled supersoldier and one skilled normal human with the equipment to put him on super soldier tier. I don't see the "low-tiers" form Team 1 winning either.
Team 2 has far far more power output but Team 1 wins imo. Strange and Wanda could solo but they're not adept enough to fast enough to do so. Wanda regularly fights close combat (for some reason) and both Tony, Nat and Clint have enough artillery and darts to slip one on her which she is susceptible to. Strange was knocked out by a rock in Infinity War so his durability really fluctuates based on concentration and Tony has more than enough microdarts to Pierce him.
Vision is the only problem but Tony with Bleeding Edge did far more than Vision ever did in all of his films combined. Thor could absolutely destroy him as well considering what he did to Thanos. Vision is the worst jobber on this list so he's nearly a non-factor for me.
Falcon is fodder: He was getting beat by Batroc even after his vibranium suit and wings upgrade, along with Cap's shield.
Bucky: He hasn't been impressive since TWS
BP: We saw him get overloaded by Thanos with a single punch and watched him get ragdolled by a Rhino in Black Panther.
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