MCU Odin vs MCU Thanos EG

On paper Thanos is said to be mightest dude in universe so logically above Ronan who should have Moon lvl durability. But Odin beats Surtur who is country lvl with prep and sword, and in tie-in comics transfered cup essence to increase stellar luminosity draining own life force.

Odin wins or Mightest being in universe statement should be above

Odin has beaten Hela.

Closing her in pocket realm ( or Niflheim planet as we know realms in MCU are planets in different galaxies not universes with own time-space continuums like in 616 )

@onlyoneempereor: SO Odin can bfr him

Odin beat Helae who would beat Thanos.

also Thanos was afraid of Odin for a long time wasn't until after he passed that Thanos moved for those gems in Asgard..

Odin

@supermario3d: ok thanks for answer

Bumo

On paper Odin in a good fight

Odin might win even by feats. Plus he scales from Hela.

Not sure if old Odin could have beaten Surtur though so I don't count this statement.

On paper Odin is a beast with magic and energy projection though, I'd give Thanos a stone or two to cancel out the brick disadvantage.

Well, I presume it's magic, because you can't really extract a perpetually burning fire from a 4km Fire Demon without some supernatural means.

Odin should win

@reevjar: no stones

Odin has beaten Prime Surtur and Hela by statements. He takes this easily.

@reevjar: Still beating Surtur would put Odin on whole another level of power he never displayed while in his old age.

Odin saying Thor was stronger than him throws a scaling spanner in the works.

@socajunkie: Maybe it means Thor is stronger when it comes to raw destructive power while Odin still has a great knowledge of magic which makes him overall more powerful.

@socajunkie: thats now with new feats

Well, there was that one star-level feat, but I don't really have an argument since scalable hax in the MCU requires power, which is why Dr. Strange couldn't beat Dormammu nor cut Thanos with his sling rings.

Physically at that moment, sure. But even if we take context, it means Post Rag Thor > Hela, which isn't true.

Odin managing to subdue Surtur or Hela doesn't really mean anything combat wise.

We don't know how he beat Surtur. Was Surtur at his prime state when Odin beat him? Did Odin beat him in a fight or did he employ some other tricks or treachery to steal the flame? Did Odin use his army or any other artifact of power to beat Surtur? I mean he is known to have meddled with infinity stones before and he also had a considerably sized army.

Similarly in case of Hela, Odin only imprisoned her in another realm and it took his life force to do so, just to imprison Hela. He couldn't even kill her. Going by the fact that it took him the entire army of Asgard to beat the Frost giants invasion on Earth and the fact that he lost an eye fighting them, I'd say Odin is inferior to Hela damage output and durability wise. He only has some hax and some form of control over Asgardians and their artefacts. Hela completely no sold being stabbed by Odin's spear and tanked Thor's biggest lightning bolt. I think Hela could have killed Odin in a fight and that's why he didn't face her in combat and sent the Valkyries instead and then BFRd her with hax when things got out of hand.

Thanos with his sword would slaughter Odin if BfR hax is restricted in the fight. Thanos is simply the most powerful warlord in the MCU. His strength and durability is insane. Odin isn't impressive combatwise at all. He's barely a mid tier with no extra abilities except BFR hax and control over Asgardians which he can't use in combat against Thanos. Even with implied feats, his power levels and feats are too vaguely defined to be used in combat. If mere statements about power levels are considered to be legit then Odin clearly stated that Thor is more powerful than him. Loki stated in Thor1 that Thor could've slaughtered all the Frost Giants by himself while Odin needed an army and lost his eye fighting the same Frost Giants. Thor probably is more powerful than Odin, at least now with Stormbreaker. Eitri clearly stated that the axe is the most powerful weapon in Asgard's history and Thor wielding not just the Axe but also Mjolnir was sort of a non factor to a serious Thanos in the mood to fight. This should make things more clear.

Base Thanos with sword utterly destroys Base Odin with his Spear (in a BFR restricted fight)

I can't see Odin beating Thanos in cqc. But I can't see Thanos having an answer to power long ranged spells either. He definitely can take blasts from Gungnir though.

@destinyman75: Thanos being scared of Ego, Odin and The Ancient One were deconfirmed by the Russos. Thanis was just waiting to know the locations of all the Stones so he could collect them all in 1 fell swoop

On topic, I think Thanos takes this one.

Thor was confirmed to be more powerful than Odin and this Thor was nearly murdered by Thanos twice. Thanos stomps the oldman.

@namenotfound: That doesn't make sense waiting at all. Not sure anyone said that UT would be pretty stupid.

Also Odin said stronger not more powerful. Hela would wreck Base Thanos and she was trapped by Odin. Dont see thanos doing much here

@sirdragonfly: No Odinn said he was stronger not more powerful Thor doesn't have the hax of Odin. Odin trapped Hela who would wreck Thanos

@kinglouie: Odin>Hela>Thanos

Thanos has zero answer for hax

By statements, Odin stomps. I kinda wish he got to show off more in the MCU before dying.

Even "on paper" Odin lost an eye to the Frost Giants. Thanos would slaughter half of them and move on. People cling to statements of him "defeating" people but can not possibly know the context of how it happened. In the future of the MCU, people will say that Thor and Iron Man killed two versions of Thanos. Without context and applying the same standard people use with Odin, it could be argued that they would both beat Thanos 1 on 1 with no help. Clearly that is not the case.

Source? Not that I do not believe you.

Odin probably.

Going by on screen feats, Thanos would win.

@TheGrat1: Stephen McFeely: "The catalyst for the whole movie was when Thanos... captured Nebula on his ship and rooted around in her brain and found out Gamora knew where the Soul Stone was."

Joe Russo: "It's the reason why he has not..."

McFeely: "Why he hasn't gone after it before."

Russo: "...Because the minute he does, the forces of the universe are gonna line up against him. If he doesn't know where the Soul Stone is, then what is the point?"

I couldn't find the actual statement from them, but I did find this quote. So while Thanos knew he would lose to everyone teaming up on him, he wasn't scared of Odin to the point of waiting for his death.

@destinyman75: I just put in the quote above

@namenotfound: so similar to Darkseid in Snyder Cut who is afraid of Kryptonians/Superman waiting for them to perish then he can move..

Interesting.

@stealthgrey: That is literally the exact opposite of what is being said, lol