MCU: Machines Vs Gods

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#1  Edited By Chrisgodwin00

MCU Machines:

Ultron

Vision

Destroyer

Ironman Mark 46

Ironmonger

War Machine

Whiplash

Vulture

Falcon

Antman

Yellowjacket

Spiderman Stark Suit Mk1

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VS

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MCU Gods:

Thor

Hela

Loki

Heimdall

Warriors Three

Lady Sif

Valkyrie

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Everyone is bloodlusted and Morals off

Team Gods is unarmed and Team Machines is in standard gear

Wins by death

Battle Location: A desert

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Gods stomp. Hela may solo, add Thor and it's already a stomp.

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The term 'God stomp' comes to mind for multiple reasons.

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#4  Edited By deltahuman

Machines Stomp.

Vision destroys Hela. If he goes intangible, Neither will Hela's blades work on him, nor will her strength. And above all, he has an infinity stone that has been confirmed to be able to level a city and has melted Vibranium before.

If its Vibranium Ultron then he destroys Thor. This has already been shown in AoU. Moreover, Thor doesn't have Mjolnir to defend himself.

Destroyer can easily take care of Warriors Three, Sif, Valkyrie or any other Asgardian left. Not only are the Asgardians unarmed here, it was been shown way back in Thor that Sif and the Warriors Three or any comparable fighter would be no match for the Destroyer.

That leaves, Iron Man, War Machine, Antman, Iron Monger, Whiplash, Falcon, Spiderman and Vulture as backup fighting force. This is overkill for the Machines. They stomp.

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Yeah

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Gods.

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#7  Edited By Scipio123

@deltahuman:

If he goes intangible,

Vision has never phased through someone as durable as Hela. His best phasing feat was going through Giant-Man, who is hardly comparable to the Goddess of Death.

Neither will Hela's blades work on him,

Why not? Hawkeye was able to restrain him with two specialist arrows. Besides, Vision isn't made entirely out of Vibranium. His "skin" is a mixture of synthetic material and Vibranium. Otherwise, he'd be invulnerable (which he clearly isn't).

nor will her strength.

Again, why not? In a deleted scene from AoU, Thor comfortably holds his own against Vision in H2H even without Mjolnir. And Hela>>Thor. Granted, it's only a deleted scene, but it shows the general power band that the writers intend Vision to be in.

And above all, he has an infinity stone that has been confirmed to be able to level a city and has melted Vibranium before.

Vision never melted Vibranium on his own. He needed the help of Thor and Iron Man to do that.

If its Vibranium Ultron then he destroys Thor. This has already been shown in AoU. Moreover, Thor doesn't have Mjolnir to defend himself.

Ultron bullrushed Thor when he wasn't looking. Given how powerful his lightning is now, and without the element of surprise, I'd give Thor a pretty good chance against Ultron. Besides, Ultron couldn't really hurt Thor anyway.

Destroyer can easily take care of Warriors Three, Sif, Valkyrie or any other Asgardian left. Not only are the Asgardians unarmed here, it was been shown way back in Thor that Sif and the Warriors Three or any comparable fighter would be no match for the Destroyer.

The Destroyer is fodder to both Hela and Thor. And besides, Sif and the Warriors Three were able to keep it distracted for a while. With the help of Valkyrie and Heimdall, there's no reason to think that they couldn't do this again.

That leaves, Iron Man,

Given that he's wearing the crappy Mark 46 suit from Civil War, Tony's dying instantly here.

War Machine

Rhodey doesn't do much better.

Antman, Iron Monger, Whiplash, Falcon, Spiderman and Vulture

These are fodder that will get one-shotted by Thor or Hela.

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Godstomp.

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The gods stomp. Thor's lightning is quite literally powerful enough to one shot everyone on team machines besides Ultron. Hela can than kill Ultron.

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@scipio123: vision's phasing is something he does to himself not something that he does to others so durability probably wouldn't matter. Plus he has phased through vibrainium.

God team still stomps

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It's funny you wrote a whole essay trying to counter my points but you never really understood my points in the first place, nor do you have complete knowledge on the characters in concern

Vision has never phased through someone as durable as Hela. His best phasing feat was going through Giant-Man, who is hardly comparable to the Goddess of Death.

Let's start with Vision. First of all, I didn't mention anywhere that Vision will phase through Hela. You readily mentioned Hawkeye vs Vision but turns out you know nothing about Vision's abilities. Vision can go intangible. Which means physical blows pass through his body and he remains unaffected. You can't hold, grab or hurt an intangible being physically as long as he is intangible. Watch the Hawkeye vs Vision fight again. Hawkeye's hands pass through Vision's body without affecting him. Same will happen when Hela tries a physical brawl with Vision or uses her swords. They will pass through him. This has nothing to do with how strong it durable Hela is or Giant Man was because I'm taking about Vision making himself intangible.

Why not? Hawkeye was able to restrain him with two specialist arrows. Besides, Vision isn't made entirely out of Vibranium. His "skin" is a mixture of synthetic material and Vibranium. Otherwise, he'd be invulnerable (which he clearly isn't).

Hawkeye restrained Vision through electricity and it was onky momentary. Last time I checked, Hela doesn't have energy attacks. Doesn't matter what Vision is made of. I'm not taking about invulnerability here. I'm taking about Intangibility

Again, why not? In a deleted scene from AoU, Thor comfortably holds his own against Vision in H2H even without Mjolnir. And Hela>>Thor. Granted, it's only a deleted scene, but it shows the general power band that the writers intend Vision to be in.

In that deleted scene, Vision was clealry superior to Thor and was giving him the fight of his life. Moreover Vision didn't go intangible while fighting Thor but Civil War proved that in a physical brawl, Vision goes intangible and physical force doesn't affect him. Also, You talk about deleted scenes but its funny that you forget to mention that in the same scene, Cap throws his shield at Vision and it passes through him. Same will happen to Hela's swords.

Vision never melted Vibranium on his own. He needed the help of Thor and Iron Man to do that.

Vibranium was melted only and only due to Vision. Thor's lightning can't even Scratch Vibranium. His lightning strike in Sokovia destroyed the whole city but the Vibranium spire remained intact. But when he blasted lightning on Ultron along with Vision, Vibranium melted in a few seconds proving that it was Vision's power all along. Iron Man's contribution is once again negligible. There is no proof whatsoever that Hela can survive being blasted by an Infinity stone, same stone that could melt Vibranium in a few seconds and was said to be able to level a city.

Ultron bullrushed Thor when he wasn't looking. Given how powerful his lightning is now, and without the element of surprise, I'd give Thor a pretty good chance against Ultron. Besides, Ultron couldn't really hurt Thor anyway.

What does it have to do with whether Thor was looking or not. Thor doesn't stand a chance against Vibranium Ultron physically. Nor can his lighting effect Vibranium. He needs Mjolnir to properly fight Ultron which he doesn't have here. Ultron had Thor by the neck and at his mercy in that scene. Thor was entirely helpless. And Thor got cuts and bruises just by being slammed into concrete pillars which means your statement that Ultron can't hurt Thor is BS. In an unarmed fight, Vibranium Ultron will absolutely decimate Thor.

The Destroyer is fodder to both Hela and Thor. And besides, Sif and the Warriors Three were able to keep it distracted for a while. With the help of Valkyrie and Heimdall, there's no reason to think that they couldn't do this again.

Hela and Thor won't be alive to fight the Destroyer. Besides, without Mjolnir, Thor has no means to fight the Destroyer. Swords also don't work on Destroyer, Sif tried swords on it before. Hela has no means to harm it at all. While Destroyer can absolutely foderrize all the remaining Asgardians along with the others. Just tell me how would Valkyrie or anyone hurt the Destroyer at all rather then just telling that it's fodder or making incorrect statements. Rather than just plainly stating that Thor or Hela can make their team win, provide some proof to back up your statements if you really want a debate.

These are fodder that will get one-shotted by Thor or Hela.

All things considered, Machines Absolutely Stomp this.

You're welcome to provide legitimate and valid counter arguments but just stating things is of no good at all

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The gods win.

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#14  Edited By Scipio123

@deltahuman:

Let's start with Vision. First of all, I didn't mention anywhere that Vision will phase through Hela. You readily mentioned Hawkeye vs Vision but turns out you know nothing about Vision's abilities. Vision can go intangible. Which means physical blows pass through his body and he remains unaffected. You can't hold, grab or hurt an intangible being physically as long as he is intangible. Watch the Hawkeye vs Vision fight again. Hawkeye's hands pass through Vision's body without affecting him. Same will happen when Hela tries a physical brawl with Vision or uses her swords. They will pass through him. This has nothing to do with how strong it durable Hela is or Giant Man was because I'm taking about Vision making himself intangible.

Vision isn't going to stay intangible forever. And if he does, then he has no way of hurting Hela.

Hawkeye restrained Vision through electricity

And Thor has electricity literally covering his body. But let me guess, Hawkeye's arrows are more powerful than the God Of Thunder, right?

In that deleted scene, Vision was clealry superior to Thor and was giving him the fight of his life.

Hardly. Thor lands at least as many hits on Vision as he does on Thor. He even dodges Vision's beam at close range and gets some nice moves in, such as a neck break.

but Civil War proved that in a physical brawl, Vision goes intangible and physical force doesn't affect him.

Vision's best feat in this regard is smashing a bus in half. Nothing Thor or Hela couldn't easily replicate.

Vibranium was melted only and only due to Vision.

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You can clearly see that Ultron only starts to melt when Thor and Iron Man join in.

Thor's lightning can't even Scratch Vibranium. His lightning strike in Sokovia destroyed the whole city but the Vibranium spire remained intact.

It was stated by Friday that Thor's strike would crack the Vibranium core.

But when he blasted lightning on Ultron along with Vision, Vibranium melted in a few seconds proving that it was Vision's power all along.

That was far from being Thor's most powerful lightning bolt. His most powerful one was the one he used on Hela in Ragnarok, and then the Jotunheim and Leviathan-busters.

There is no proof whatsoever that Hela can survive being blasted by an Infinity stone,

Why not? Thor could, and Hela is superior to him.

Nor can his lighting effect Vibranium.

I'm pretty sure Thor can affect Vibranium with his most powerful lightning blasts. Besides, Ultron is only partially made out of Vibranium (Tony said he'd taken a little Vibranium cocktail), so he could almost certainly damage the other parts of Ulltron's body, especially, since he can now call down Bifrost-busters instantly.

And Thor got cuts and bruises just by being slammed into concrete pillars which means your statement that Ultron can't hurt Thor is BS.

Thor has taken far worse beatings from Kurse and Hulk without being seriously hurt, so no, Ultron couldn't really hurt Thor.

Besides, without Mjolnir, Thor has no means to fight the Destroyer.

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Just tell me how would Valkyrie or anyone hurt the Destroyer at all rather then just telling that it's fodder or making incorrect statements.

I said they could distract it, not beat it.

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@alex_odinson: Please explain how Hela going to defeat Ultron and Vision?

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@chrisgodwin00: Thor can one shot Vision with lightning, a shock arrow from Hawkeye stopped Vision in his tracks.

Ultron is a different story though, no one here can weaken his vibranium enough to make him physically vulnerable, so they’d have to just beat on him enough to hopefully knock something loose.

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@scipio123:

Vision isn't going to stay intangible forever. And if he does, then he has no way of hurting Hela.

Vision doesn't have to stay intangible forever to harm or safe from Hela because he has a freaking Infinity stone on his forehead that is enough to destroy Hela.

And Thor has electricity literally covering his body. But let me guess, Hawkeye's arrows are more powerful than the God Of Thunder, right?

Again, come up with some valid arguments without ignoring context. Hawkeye set a trap for vision. He didn't directly attack him with his trick arrows. Vision isn't gonna let himself be attacked by Thor and stay there doing nothing. Now that it's well established that physically, nobody can harm Vision due to intangibility, it's just a matter of time, Vision uses his infinity stone offensively and that will be the end game for anyone who he is attacking. Vision can also fly and once he does, Thor doesn't have any means to reach him at all. Besides, in the scenario I suggested, Vision takes Hela and Ultron takes Thor so, there's no way Machine duo lose.

It was stated by Friday that Thor's strike would crack the Vibranium core.

Wrong again. Friday didn't say anything about the Vibranium spire cracking. she told that if Thor hits the spire, the landmass will crack and it still won't be enough to save the people below as the impact would still be devastating.

That was far from being Thor's most powerful lightning bolt. His most powerful one was the one he used on Hela in Ragnarok, and then the Jotunheim and Leviathan-busters.

That was one of the most powerful lightning bolts ever created by Thor, probably the second most powerful after his strike on Hela and it still couldn't scratch the Vibranium spire proving once for all that Thor can't harm Vibranium with lightning

Why not? Thor could, and Hela is superior to him.

So Hela can survive being blasted by the mind stone now? And when exactly did Thor take hits from the stone again? The mind stone was stated to have city level power in AoU. Thor can no way survive being blasted by it. Neither can Hela

I'm pretty sure Thor can affect Vibranium with his most powerful lightning blasts. Besides, Ultron is only partially made out of Vibranium (Tony said he'd taken a little Vibranium cocktail), so he could almost certainly damage the other parts of Ulltron's body, especially, since he can now call down Bifrost-busters instantly.

You being pretty sure doesn't mean anything when footage from the movie suggests otherwise. Vibranium also reflects back excess energy like when Thor struck Cap's shield and flattened part of a forest. Thor has absolutely no means of hurting Vibranium Ultron. Ultron on the other hand has already man handled Thor

Thor has taken far worse beatings from Kurse and Hulk without being seriously hurt, so no, Ultron couldn't really hurt Thor.

Watch the movies again, Kurse nearly killed Thor. So did Hulk before Thor summoned lightning. Physically Thor is no match for either Hulk, Kurse or Ultron. He can harm Hulk with lightning but not Ultron since he is made of Vibranium. And AoU proved that Ultron is clearly stronger than Thor and was beating him black and blue before Vision saved his ass. Thor was practically helpless without Mjolnir and he doesn't have Mjolnir here.

I said they could distract it, not beat it.

What would distraction do again? Destroyer can obliterate anyone of them. And Destroyer isn't alone. It has help from the others like Iron Monger, War Machine, Falcon and others. After Destroyer has killed the other Asgardians, it can aid Ultron and Vision in killing Thor and Hela. Hela has no way of Hurting the Destroyer either because Swords don't work on it. Together, Vision and Destroyer can easily obliterate Hela and they then together gang up on Thor and finish him

Once again, its an easy win for the Machines.

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Machines wreck.

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It could go both ways, but I'm leaning towards Gods due to Hela.

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Hela solos, Thor could solo with extreme difficulty

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Vision was restrained by Hawkeye's little electricity arrows what is Thor's lightning going to do to him?

Don't see anybody on that team taking down Hela when she's spamming swords that will go straight through nearly all of them

These guys are all just fodder:Whiplash, Vulture, Falcon, Antman, Yellowjacket, Spiderman Stark Suit Mk1- They even get near Thor and most get fried by the lightning cloak

Iron Man is in his Civil War suit so that's not lasting too long either

If Thor's going lightning cloak almost none of them can touch him and all the flyers will be dropped from the sky with the lightning he was dropping out of nowhere like on the bifrost.

Vision is not a city buster idk how that's being claimed did that make Loki a city buster when he had the gem in the spear? No didn't think so and I'm pretty sure he blasted plenty of people/things with the spear it has no feats to suggest it's putting Hela or Thor down. Just cause it has that much power doesn't mean it's getting used.

Hela can one shot almost everyone here it all just depends on if Ultron is Vibranium and how they take down the Destroyer. They're the main threats I'd say Vision is too but how he dealt with Hawkeye's electric arrows doesn't bode well for him with Thor's lightning.

So if Ultron is Vibranium I'm not sure how they put him down but then I'm not sure how Hela gets put down either so idk.

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@deltahuman: Hulk was no where close to killing Thor in Ragnarok, his head bounced off the ground like twice and he didn’t even look like he was fading from consciousness before he blasted Hulk with lightning. The beating he took from Kurse looked much more severe than that and even then all he had was a few scratches on his head, Hulk did no visable damage to him during his beat down. Also the context behind the the shock arrow feat doesn’t really mean much when you consider the fact that Thor can call a lightning bolt down from the sky from anywhere and have it strike whomever he wants without having to guide it. But I agree Ultron and Destroyer will be tough to beat.

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@harbingerofmomz:

Hulk was no where close to killing Thor in Ragnarok, his head bounced off the ground like twice and he didn’t even look like he was fading from consciousness before he blasted Hulk with lightning.

Oh yeah? Then why did we see Thor being attended by medics and nurses in Hulk's room. Even before that, before Thor began to harness lightning, Hulk was beating Thor black and blue. Without lightning, Hulk would've killed Thor like he had been killing the other competitors. It was clearly portrayed in the movie that physically, Thor is no match for Hulk.

The beating he took from Kurse looked much more severe than that and even then all he had was a few scratches on his head,

Kurse also would've killed Thor. Did we watch the same movie? Kurse landed only a few punches. Their fight wasn't lengthy. Loki intervened quickly and saved Thor. Had it been a long fight, Kurse would've definitely killed Thor. Also Thor has a good healing factor. He healed quickly from the injuries after Kurse stopped pounding him and so he didn't sport very extensive damage later on.

Hulk did no visable damage to him during his beat down. Also the context behind the the shock arrow feat doesn’t really mean much when you consider the fact that Thor can call a lightning bolt down from the sky from anywhere and have it strike whomever he wants without having to guide it.

This is true though. Thor can indeed call lightning from above. But the catch here is that Vision won't stand there like sitting ducks. He will definitely do something about it. If Thor doesn't use lightning first, If Vision decides to use the mind gem blast first then it's end game for Thor because he doesn't have Mjolnir to block it. Moreover, in the scenario I suggested, Ultron takes Thor and Vision takes Hela. That way, neither Hela nor Thor can harm Vision and Ultron respectively.

But I agree Ultron and Destroyer will be tough to beat.

Now that I think about it, I doubt they can beat The Destroyer without Mjolnir at all. At the same time, his disintegration beam is so powerful, it totally disintegrated Frost Giants in one go. I doubt Asgardians can take more than one such beam each. This as I said, is an easy win for the Machines.

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@deltahuman: Thor was being attended to after because grand master immobilized Thor which allowed Hulk to do a jumping smash that Hulk would NEVER have landed in the fight otherwise. And Thor rocked Hulk when he hit him with the big hammer sending him flying around the stage, but Thor tried to calm him instead of fight him, which allowed Hulk time to regain himself and press the attack, Thor was absolutely a match for him physically they both were able to push the figh in their favour and it was back and forth with Hulk gaining the upper hand in the end, he was by no means dominating and Thor was no where close to dying during the fight.

Yeah Kurse probably would have, but as it was Thor only had a cut on his forehead after having an enormous rock thrown at his face, getting punched into a mountain, then getting completely ground and pounded, it wasn’t just a few punches from Kurse.

Also in your scenario, Thor could still be calling lightning down on all other opponents while fighting Ultron, he doesn’t even need to be looking at them to call lightning on them, I remember one scene where Thor jumps at an undead asgardian while simultaneously summoning 3 bolts of lightning that strikes 3 more of them, none of which Thor was even looking at or paying attention to.

That’s exactly what I was thinking about with the Destroyer, unless Hela can sword spam into his face and cause the same effect as mjolnir which doesn’t seem likely imo. Or she could do to him what she did to mjolnir, she was able to crush mjolnir, whether she did it with some sort of magic or pure strength, she may be able to replicate it against the destroyer.

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Machines, Hela is the fodder here and it looks like there's people who think she has feats to go up against the Machines outside of Asgard lol.

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Machines, Hela is the fodder here and it looks like there's people who think she has feats to go up against the Machines outside of Asgard lol.

nice bait

she broke mjolnir outside of asgard

ovepowerd thor & Loki

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nice bait

Okay.

she broke mjolnir outside of asgard

And? she has no durability feats outside of Asgard that would give her a shred of advantage in this fight lol.

overpowered thor & Loki

Nice, she still has no durability feat, she's a walking glass canon. Other than tanking the Mjolnir's destruction which did absolutely nothing to the environment to suggest it was dangerous and oh, even Loki shrugged it off.

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Team Gods, Hela and Thor are too much for the Machines.

Hela can take care of Ultron, and Thor's gonna one-shot Vision with lightning judging by Vision's reaction to Hawkeye's electric arrow. From there Thor and the Asgardians can take out the rest of Team Machines until Hela finishes the main threat in Ultron.

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Gods easy

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Machines. The range attacks will wear out the Gods. And the energy combo that hurt Ultron isn't here.

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@strike3: Hela could beat solo prime Ultron ,the rest of machines are non factor,unless jacket gonna fly in Thor's ass)

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Falcon solos

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@krishnyak: Thor was running from Jet Bullets in Avengers 1. That means Asgardian God's are not Bulletproof. Falcon with Maschine Gun will destroy them all

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@dubistdumm: Loki took automatic gunfire in face and was fine,Superman also was running from gunfire in MoS

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@dubistdumm: okay in Agents of Shield fodder asgardians can't be pierced by military knife,and knife itself become broken after this