MCU: Kingpin vs. Batroc

Both are in character, winner by death or KO.

Battle takes place in a Hell's Kitchen alley. Random encounter

Damn

@never_give_up: @space_coyote: What are kingpins feats?

I'm going with Kingpin. Batroc's agility won't help him and Kingin could take enough punishment to wear him down if it comes to that.

@those_eyes: I'm on episode 9 and so far, as badass as he is, his only feat is liquidizing another man's head with a car door. He was vicious when he fought, but I haven't actually seen him fight again since.

Right now, I think Batroc takes this 7/10. I'll come back if that changes.

Kingpin.

Could go either way

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Yeah, after finishing the show, Kingpin definitely wins. 8/10.

GSP jabs his eye socket repeatedly for five rounds.

@those_eyes said:

He was kind of kicking Daredevil's ass.

Kingpin. Great durability and damage as well. Batroc may not even shake him with his hits.

Kingpin he could take a shitload of hits and caught Daredevil, who had better agility feats than Batroc.

@vance_astro: I wouldn't say kind of, he pretty much has him beat but gave him time to recover.

Wilson Fisk is very strong, powerful, and durable. He also beat up Daredevil. I think he can take whatever Batroc dishes out until he starts laying the beat down on him.

Hm, interesting battle. A definitive answer is tricky considering both characters are somewhat limited in their combat showings, but I'm leaning towards Georges Batroc for this matchup.

I'm largely banking on Batroc's obvious skill/experience edge. Granted, it is a little bit of conjecture, but as Crossbones puts it, Batroc is a top international mercenary with a reputation for maximum casualties. Military training, years (presumably) of actual H2H combat under his belt, and a decent display of MA prowess against Captain America means he holds this advantage over Kingpin. Wilson Fisk is, at best, a street brawler. And while Fisk does possess remarkable strength and durability, personal combat is not really his realm.

Plus, Batroc's not exactly a slouch in the physicals department. He showed enough reaction time to dodge Cap's shield and engage him in combat, and enough strength/durability to both take and respond to Cap's (enhanced) punches. Also, before anyone tries to argue that Batroc's MA weren't a match for Cap's superior physicals; note that in addition to being stronger and more durable - Cap has actual fighting skills, and that the gap between Steve and Batroc is far greater than Batroc and Fisk.

Compare both villains' respective encounters. Kingpin's final fight with Daredevil, while impressive, has to be put into context. Kingpin was extremely bloodlusted in that encounter. He was enraged that Matt had ruined his plans, and was going all-out to destroy his enemy. Secondly, note that Fisk's first instinct upon exiting the van was to flee. It was only because he was cornered into that alley that he resorted to fighting. Trapped with no means of escape meant that Kingpin was arguably fighting harder out of desperation. His rage was able to momentarily trump Matt's skill, but he still folded in the end. And in this battle, Kingpin doesn't have the bloodlust advantage.

Now look at Batroc vs. Cap - yes, Batroc did lose. But his skill still enabled him to put up a very good fight against a highly-trained superhuman who throws bikes and crashes Quinjets. I mean Cap did a spinning drop kick to his face, tackled the Algerian through a freakin' door, socked his jaw, and the guy was still able to recover within 20-ish seconds.

Thoughts @risingbean? I think this would be a pretty interesting fight to consider.

@veshark Batroc is sorta like a DD with less feats.

Kingpin eventually bashes his face in.

Kingpin wins.

Kingpin for a majority.

I'd honestly say Batroc wins 6/10. He is far more agile than Fisk and his kicks had enough power to knock Cap down multiple times. It would be a brutal fight and the winner would come out broken but I think Batroc would take the majority here.

@nfactor1995: nah the things fisk shakes off in damage is more than batroc can put out.

@space_coyote: Wow, this is a really great fight . . . Tough to say because Fisk has the anger and pure strength as well as the Kevlar suit . . . Batroc has the skills though and gave Cap a good fight . . . So, I'll give it to Batroc 6/10 in a close fight

@nerdchore: Matt was eventually able to beat him down and Batroc hits harder than Matt...

Kingpin would crush Batroc

Kingpin

Kingpin

Batroc wins. He took several shots from Cap; it would take a lot of hits for Fisk to put him down. Batroc has the striking power to

hurt Fisk, and the agility and skill to dance around his attacks. Batroc takes the vast majority.

I'd place Batroc below S1 Matt but not by a lot so either 50/50 or Kingpin 5.5/10. Either way it's a tough fight.

Fisk wins, Cap wasn't even going all out.

Fisk rolls him

@ninjawarrior268 said:

What the hell? Fisk gets annihilated, his only feats are a beatdown against a half-dead Daredevil, and then failing to knock out the Punisher who was bloodied and beaten and chained up. In fact, the Punisher almost knocked him out in that instant. Meanwhile Batroc was somehow going hand to hand against a full-blown superhuman and doing pretty well for himself. Batroc aces this

Kingpin. Batroc was never a threat to Steve.

Batroc.

I'm glad someone else shares my thoughts on this thread. Fisk is simply outclassed here.

Fisk. Batroc is overrated.

Batroc 10/10. Fisk wouldn't even make Cap square up.

Fisk.

But I think Batroc would probably win in universe.

Batroc only had the element of suprise on his side. Once that was gone Cap bodied him in seconds. He'd put up a hell of a fight with his durability/pain tolerance and agility but I can see him taking more than 5/10. Daredevil has better agility, better speed, enough striking power to send full grown men flying, and enough pain tolerance to fight at a high level despite having injuries that would leave most people in the hospital in addition to body armor and batonsand still had to work hard for his win.

At the very least this isn't a stomp on either side.

Kingpin

@nfactor1995: @don_higashikata: @dirtytree333: @dstreet45: @veshark: Wilson Fisk will definitely win this fight and he'll win because of greater durability, strength, and brutality. Let's look at their stats, Batroc is 5'10 and weighs 175lbs(same height and weight as Dardevil), while Fisk is 6'3 and weighs 250lbs. They both have granite chins as Batroc took two devastating shots from a super-soldier and Fisk took a sustained beating and over a dozen Billy Clubs blows. In the end, Daredevil was only able to beat Fisk, a man that outweighs him and Batroc by 75lbs, by using weapons to wear down his Chin for his final flying superman punch KO. It was a KO based on cumulative damage not one punch power. Fisk hurt Daredevil with everything he threw and was only able to stand with him due to the protection of his body armor and helmet, that blunted a physical assault with his own billy club. Batroc failed to hurt Cap even once, all of his best shots were blocked and the one's that landed merely pushed him to the ground because of balance issues. Quite simply, Batroc's best blows on Fisk won't do as much damage as a single Billy Club Blow, which means Batroc will need to land over 24 punches/kicks in order to KO Fisk. Fisk was throwing Matt around like a rag-doll, almost everyone of his shots sent Matt to the ground. Batroc is also relatively honorable, desiring a fair contest against Cap, where Fisk is ruthless and overly aggressive with his opponents. It won't be a quick fight or an easy fight, but Fisk will take Batroc's best blows and dish out more punishing hits and simply overwhelm him with power and unchecked aggression .

Given the random nature of the encounter I am going to side with Fisk. Batroc isn't going to expect Fisk to be what he is in a random alley in Hell's Kitchen, and Fisk's suits are armored meaning his head and possibly lower legs are the only real targets available to Batroc who will have to learn it the hard way. I do thin Batroc will get some sweet hits in though and Fisk will probably need some stitches.

@veshark: I'm inclined to agree wholeheartedly with that analysis.

@jashro44:Batroc may not have been a real threat to Steve, but I doubt the Kingpin would be, either. After all, MCU Cap was able to go toe-to-toe with both an inexperienced Spider-Man and blood-lusted Iron Man. I can't help but feel Fisk's viciousness as a criminal mastermind is causing some bias in gauging his physical prowess. Aside from beating up a badly injured Daredevil and briefly taking on a healthy one before losing, I don't think there's any evidence to suggest he'd definitively defeat Batroc in this scenario.

On one hand, I don't think anyone in Daredevil would've given Cap pause, like Batroc did. But Kingpin has more feats.

Probably Fisk.