MCU Kingpin runs a top level humans Gauntlet

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All of these fights begin unarmed. Opponents replace Daredevil in Vanessa's penthouse at the end of S3. Fisk is fully healthy and more mad then he has ever been.

When Fisk defeats somebody, the next opponent immediately enters the room without any rest or healing. How far does the Kingpin go?

  1. Killmonger (not enhanced obviously)
  2. Black Widow
  3. Hawkeye
  4. Agent Ward
  5. Frank Castle
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Stops at 4, and a case could be made that Ward wins with Fisk being fully healed.

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Probably to ward

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Definitely not past Ward. Maybe before that but probably not if this is pure H2H.

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#5  Edited By anthp2000  Moderator

...... what?

He can't even beat Frank lol. The others would destroy him in mismatches. Ward and Natasha would litteraly take him out in less than 10 seconds.

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Stops at 3. Fisk's rage amp makes him unusually strong and durable.

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@anthp2000: natasha has a 0 win track record against people who are much stronger than her

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The real question is why is Hawkeye > Nat in unarmed combat?

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#9  Edited By ProfessorRespect

@supremegeneration said:

The real question is why is Hawkeye > Nat in unarmed combat?

Cuz he's a man, and as we all know, you'd need at least 25 females to beat one male, it's just facts and demi logical reasoning

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Out of order, but clears. I would have said he stopped at two before season three, but because of his damage soak and strength I'm not so sure anymore.

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Even if he makes it past ward, with no rest he is in no way putting down the punisher.

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#12 anthp2000  Moderator

This Netflix wank tho.

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Ward beats him.

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Natasha, Ward, and Frank would all beat him decisively.

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Natasha, Ward, and Frank would all beat him decisively.

Without spoilers, has Frank gotten much better in S2?

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@lubub55 said:
@the_magister said:

Natasha, Ward, and Frank would all beat him decisively.

Without spoilers, has Frank gotten much better in S2?

Probably even better pain tolerance showings, but his hand to hand skill is more or less where it was... maybe worse, if we're being honest.

I just don't think that highly of Fisk. IMO he's a good foil to Matt, but a sufficiently skilled physical tank can make him pay.

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Out of order

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Stops at black widow

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I don't think Fisk can beat anyone here.

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@the_magister: This seems like something that will be fun to discuss and I can definitely see it going somewhere, if you're interested. But please try and avoid S2 feats wherever possible because I'm only three episodes in right now.

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I think that Dex is pretty similarly skilled to Frank. He's not as physically able, but in pain tolerance and skill I think they're at the same level, with Dex being a bit faster as well.

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Throughout their encounters in the last episode it was pretty clear to me that Fisk would destroy Dex in any unarmed fight. Now Dex isn't Frank and the reason you think Frank would win is because of his skill on top of sufficient physicals, which I'd agree is more than Dex has. But the reason I don't think that is enough is because despite Frank's insane strength, it doesn't even come close to Fisk's. He most likely hits hard enough to hurt him, but notice that in every fight Fisk has he starts by rushing his opponent and once the distance is closed, he keeps a hand on them. That's what's important. He knows he's stronger than anyone he's likely to face but vulnerable to being outskilled, so he tries to keep them in place and slam them down so skill can't be used. He was doing that at the time I linked above, and Dex only managed to get away because Fisk injured his hand and let go. But even then Fisk caught him again because - like Frank - he lacked the agility to avoid being grabbed. He does the same thing with Matt at 1:05. He only ever lets his grip go when throwing or when another fighter gets involved and he has to switch things up. He never just swings. When he punches it's with a firm grip using his other hand, and he usually grapples and slams his opponent into things, often into a vulnerable position. (The exception is the last part of the video with Matt, but he can barely stand at that point.) So even though on paper it seems Frank is strong enough and skilled enough to overcome that gap, Fisk's style is absolutely great for stopping skill advantages from being utilised. All Frank has to do is slip up once, which even the more skilled Daredevil did, for Fisk to get his hands on him. And from there there isn't really much Frank can do without outside interference.

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#21  Edited By The_Justiciar

@lubub55: Great post.

IDK if I know Frank well enough to properly write a rebuttal to this, LOL.

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Dont see him beating Frank he killed a whole gym of meatheads dont see Fisk replicating that

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@lubub55: That is what I wanted to see from this thread. Not freaking "BW solos"

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@anthp2000: natasha has a 0 win track record against people who are much stronger than her

But the people that she's fought that are much stronger then her (Cap, Bucky and Proxima) are all also much stronger then Kingpin. I don't see Fisk lasting as long against any of those opponents as she did.

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@truemoonchilde: Although Fisk isn't as strong as the people she was overwhelmed by, I don't think it matters that much since he is still significantly stronger than Widow and can overpower her just as easily as Bucky did, without being as strong as him.

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He only beats Widow. Rest stomp

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Struggles at 1 and 2, gets stomped at 3 if it’s ranged.

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Widow humiliates him, she’s already hurt Bucky with a punch

Bucky >>>>>>> Fisk

Also Widow was confirmed superior to Hawkeye twice by the directors, and 3 times in the movies. Additionally in the avengers 1 Widow beat him after getting visibly traumatized by Hulk, and without any gear despite him using his full gear.

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He'd barely get past Killmonger and straight up loses to BW due to stamina and her out matching him in skill. This wank I swear.

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Widow humiliates him, she’s already hurt Bucky with a punch

Bucky >>>>>>> Fisk

Also Widow was confirmed superior to Hawkeye twice by the directors, and 3 times in the movies. Additionally in the avengers 1 Widow beat him after getting visibly traumatized by Hulk, and without any gear despite him using his full gear.

He'd barely get past Killmonger and straight up loses to BW due to stamina and her out matching him in skill. This wank I swear.

This.

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Widow hurt Buck? Damn, what movies are these people watching?

Decent chance he stops at Ward. Could clear tho.

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#32  Edited By mexcomics2078

Clears

According to the op the fighters replace Matt in S3 finale so Dex gets involved too?

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Lmao Fisk isn't even Chitauri level. He's not making it past KM

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#34  Edited By The_Justiciar

Fisk would lose to everyone here, pretty badly at that.

Hawkeye and Killmonger are the only remotely debatable ones. Hawkeye has a lack of physical showings, and Killmonger has a lack of unenhanced showings in general.

That being said, their status as elite killers and operators is enough for me to think they're above Fisk's paygrade in melee combat.