Paddys Pub? Fight wouldn't happen in the first place. Head of Security Mac would have done an ocular pat down the moment they entire the bar. He'd deem them a threat and he'd take care of it himself. Probably utilizing backflips and choke holds to get the job done right.
I think Jessica is stronger so I am going with her.
Jessica is so not slow or skill-less. Even in her own show, she displayed terrific reflexes and timing when attacked by Kilgrave's slaves and incapacitating them as gently as possible without being touched, and clearly outfighting Luke. Not master martial artist or anything but she is as an experienced street fighter. And in Defenders, she did just fine tangoing with ninja, even while they had blades, they couldn't touch her.
I'd go for Jessica, i picture him doing a super evil monologue and Jessica makes a sarcastic comment and then knocks him out with one punch, if it's going to kill, then she'll continue to beat the apple pie out of him
Granted we don't have feats. But given the fact that Red Skull gets his powers from the same super-soldier serum that was given to Captain America, that means we can reliably power-scale off of Cap's feats.
Granted we don't have feats. But given the fact that Red Skull gets his powers from the same super-soldier serum that was given to Captain America, that means we can reliably power-scale off of Cap's feats.
He had an off-brand version of the serum. It's not unrealistic to say that Steve could have been physically superior to Red Skull.
A better way to judge Red Skull would be his ability to match Steve at all in h2h, which he did.
Granted we don't have feats. But given the fact that Red Skull gets his powers from the same super-soldier serum that was given to Captain America, that means we can reliably power-scale off of Cap's feats.
He had an off-brand version of the serum. It's not unrealistic to say that Steve could have been physically superior to Red Skull.
A better way to judge Red Skull would be his ability to match Steve at all in h2h, which he did.
Yeah but Steve was pretty much a baby in TFA compared to now. What spectacular skill did he have back then?
Its hard to scale red skull from cap because Steve has improved since his fight with red skull. Plus the writing style we see in the first avenger is much different than later films.
Granted we don't have feats. But given the fact that Red Skull gets his powers from the same super-soldier serum that was given to Captain America, that means we can reliably power-scale off of Cap's feats.
He had an off-brand version of the serum. It's not unrealistic to say that Steve could have been physically superior to Red Skull.
A better way to judge Red Skull would be his ability to match Steve at all in h2h, which he did.
Yeah but Steve was pretty much a baby in TFA compared to now. What spectacular skill did he have back then?
Skill-wise, not great. But he was still physically imposing. At his absolute weakest, he punched submersible glass like it was nothing while punching through water resistance. Red Skull's skills might not have been great, but his ability to physically match Cap is impressive.
Its hard to scale red skull from cap because Steve has improved since his fight with red skull. Plus the writing style we see in the first avenger is much different than later films.
To be fair, could we not apply Avengers feats to TFA Cap? Cap didn't have any additional training between the films.
@jedixman: Maybe. I don't really know what the time gap was between avengers and the first avenger. I know cap did receive training during the gap between those movies and the winter soldier.
@jedixman: Maybe. I don't really know what the time gap was between avengers and the first avenger. I know cap did receive training during the gap between those movies and the winter soldier.
Sure. It's quite clear that Cap received some training between the two, since we see that he had been performing operations for SHIELD.
Depending on how long the gap is its possible cap did a bit of training off screen.
I don't think that's necessarily the case. Watching Cap's first real fight, he looks awkward - or at least unrefined and reliant on his stats. It legitimately feels to me like he grew during Avengers.
I don't think that's necessarily the case. Watching Cap's first real fight, he looks awkward - or at least unrefined and reliant on his stats. It legitimately feels to me like he grew during Avengers.
Do you mean his first fight in the avengers? And your saying he improved through out the course of the avengers with each fight right?
I don't think that's necessarily the case. Watching Cap's first real fight, he looks awkward - or at least unrefined and reliant on his stats. It legitimately feels to me like he grew during Avengers.
Do you mean his first fight in the avengers? And your saying he improved through out the course of the avengers with each fight right?
@modernww2fare: Just because he lacks skills doesn't change the fact the guy is physically a super-soldier. Superman has no skills but if I can fight evenly against him, then I would logically be within his physical ballpark to not get turned into paste.
Scaling Red Skull off of (a massively less impressive version than current) Cap accomplishes little, since Jessica has strength feats that surpass Captain America's.
And the skill gap isn't that wide either, if there is one. Jessica wins.
@angeljax: That is not how power scaling work. Since Cap doesn't get physically stronger (his skills are better yes, but his physicals stats provided by the Super-Soldier Serum remain the same). Captain America was strong enough to throw motorcycle hard enough not only to shatter the front of an armored jeep but to cause it to flip over (Avengers battle against bad guys at Sokovia) able to hold a civilian helicopter to the landing pad (Avengers: The Civil War), stop a car from falling off the edge (Avengers: Age of Ultron), shatter concrete with punches (can't remember which scenes unfortunately), shatter doors by running through them (Winter Soldier), can take several punches from Winter Soldier's pavement-cracking bionic arm and stay conscious. And is fast enough to run at least 30 mph given by the tunnel chase scene.
@fbiuzz: By less impressive I meant an overall less seasoned Cap. And my point still stands about Jess having superior strength feats, especially if what you've said holds true.
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