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#1 Edited by Masterpiece1 (151 posts) - - Show Bio

The super-strong PI vs the slavic avenger, who will end up on top?

Rules:

Place: Avengers Tower.

Jessica (bloodlusted) is being mind controlled by Kilgrave to kill Black Widow, Black Widow is not trying to kill her but will if necessary.

2 Rounds:

1 - Wins by K.O. *Jessica has no equip and Widow's got her eletric fighting batons*

2 - Wins by death. *Jessica can use/throw anything in the room and Widow have all her gadgets seen in the movies so far (minus guns and grenades).*

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#2 Posted by Cregan_Stark (5177 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 Jessica curbstomps

Round 2 I think Widow shoots her in the head

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#3 Posted by Masterpiece1 (151 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 Jessica curbstomps

Round 2 I think Widow shoots her in the head

How?

Widow doesnt have guns or grenades here.

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#4 Posted by NeonGameWave (19333 posts) - - Show Bio

Jessica both Rounds, Natasha`s only hope is stealth.

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#5 Edited by Campy1 (38 posts) - - Show Bio

R1: Widow was stomping Ultron bots (who are just as strong as Jess but also resistent enought to be bulletproof) with just her batons (they are stark made, not weak like the ones Kilgraves thugs used) so i don't know how that could be a stomp. I'd say 6/5 to Jessica tho.

R2: Widow. Too many gadgets to use, shes one of the best fighters in MCU and skilled enough to dodge the tables and chairs Jess may toss at her.

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#6 Posted by Cregan_Stark (5177 posts) - - Show Bio
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#7 Posted by AllStarSuperman (43150 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow stomps both

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#8 Posted by john_doe_0897 (3386 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow stomps both

Jessica's unwillingness to kill and human level durability holds her back. She twisted metal bars like they were made of clay, she could easily grab onto her and simply crush whatever she had her hands on, but she doesn't do that. Jessica in character loses to Widows skills and willingness to kill

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#9 Posted by jayc1324 (26422 posts) - - Show Bio

Jessica is really crappy of a combatant for someone of her strength.

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#10 Posted by huthimamwa (2426 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow absolutely wrecks

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#11 Posted by DestroyerZ10 (4 posts) - - Show Bio

JJ both times, its not even fair, not only is Jones invulnerable to some extent but that being so, leaving Black widow gun-less and the only thing she has for a chance at survival are what ? some enhanced tazers ? JJ will grab a table and smas BW till shes done for. Back widow is cool and all but close to all the enemies she has taken down in MCU have been human taken down with her guns or Martial art-like skills, and a few chitauri but they were killed by their own guns BW stole, she is not close to the level of power Jones has.

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#12 Posted by willpayton (22083 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Widow

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#13 Posted by AkshSarpanch (3573 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Widow.

She has dealt with sl*ts like Jessica before.

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#14 Posted by Kitsune_Kusanagi (516 posts) - - Show Bio

you guys are overestimating jones and underestimating BW here...this is a slight mismatch tbh....from what I've seen in the 1st season JJ doesn't have very good H2H feats at all...nor does she have any real speed feats that suggest she could blitz BW. The show clearly shows that electrical currents can and will incap JJ and BW has shown her ability to out maneuver plenty of stronger opponents. I think BW is a lot smarter and experienced and can use her equipment effectively enough to take down JJ in both rounds...

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#15 Posted by PeterParkerJr (6767 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow. Better H2H. Better combatant. JJ was pretty inconsistent.

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#16 Posted by Paytience (4899 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow...quicker, better trained combatant with far better performances and much more experience. She is also equipped with gear of a type that has been shown to put JJ down before, but of a much higher quality and caliber.

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#17 Posted by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

Jessica is really crappy of a combatant for someone of her strength.

That's not true. She displayed great dexterity in combat for a person with no training. The scenes where she found Killgrave's apartment and defeated numerous residents armed with melee weapons without hurting them, and defeating Luke Cage where she showed all kinds of surprising moves and improvisational skill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PPT2z9GS4w

Just because a whole team of expert security guards were able to eventually touch her with stun sticks that left her paralyzed on the ground but ultimately unhurt doesn't mean she's a bad fighter. All they had to do was touch her.

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#18 Posted by zr0c00l (3143 posts) - - Show Bio

widow... jones really lacked in the skill department

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#19 Posted by TheNoobStomper (794 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow takes both.She has the skill necessary to close the strength gap between the too.Plus,Jessica is strong but has normal durability,so if Natasha lands a hit with that batton its prob over

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#20 Posted by katanalauncher (3613 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow both, and it's not close tbh.

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#21 Posted by NotoriousLe (300 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretty sure Widow takes both. Jessica relies too much on her strength and isn't the most adept in h2h. Her durability also isn't anything special either. Widow has good enough gear in both rounds to take down Jessica without too much trouble.

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#22 Edited by jayc1324 (26422 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: She's not a crappy fighter in general, but for someone of her strength she isn't that good. Fights should be easier when you can just punch people ten feet away or throw them around. If you can lift a car I expect you to be able to handle random untrained people with no trouble

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#23 Posted by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

@nickzambuto: She's not a crappy fighter in general, but for someone of her strength she isn't that good. Fights should be easier when you can just punch people ten feet away or throw them around. If you can lift a car I expect you to be able to handle random untrained people with no trouble

She always DID handle untrained people with no problem. Jessica's problem is that she's been traumatized by Kilgrave making her murder someone, so she's desperate not to hurt anyone again. Think about it, you can't spell restrain without strain. Her morals don't make her a bad fighter, just as spec ops super soldier Nuke, who admitted that on any good day, Jessica would wipe the floor with him.

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#24 Posted by Tayssti (1323 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow...quicker, better trained combatant with far better performances and much more experience. She is also equipped with gear of a type that has been shown to put JJ down before, but of a much higher quality and caliber.

Yup.

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#25 Posted by Tony_Shark (1997 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow may have inferior strength but her skill and training is enough to compensate for that.

I can see her throwing her widow stings at her feet and knocking her out.

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#26 Posted by Sachmoo (2500 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow both rounds. All she has to do is touch her with the batons and she is toast. Round 1 Jessica has a very slim chance to win, basically has to fight a perfect fight. Round 2 Jessica has ZERO chance to win.

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#27 Posted by agentvenom97 (10 posts) - - Show Bio

Jess, oven with her handicap, had a hard time with Simpson. I don't know exactly what his background is intense MCU but I am sure it doesn't compare to Nat's training since childhood, which imo is enough to give Nat the win on Jess even without the broken ribs

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#28 Posted by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio

Jess, oven with her handicap, had a hard time with Simpson. I don't know exactly what his background is intense MCU but I am sure it doesn't compare to Nat's training since childhood, which imo is enough to give Nat the win on Jess even without the broken ribs

Nuke had eight years of spec ops experience. Only later do we find out it wasn't your average spec ops, it was a top secret, black, super soldier project where Simpson undertook extremely dirty missions (Jessica hypothesizes that he's a little off his rocker because he probably murdered a whole village or something)

Not on par with Widow and SHIELD, but Simpson had the advantage of his pills. He was certainly stronger than Widow, and way tougher without feeling pain. And even then, he admitted Jones would take him any day if she wasn't struggling with a broken rib.

Against the weaker-but-significantly-more-skilled Black Widow, and without a physical handicap, Jessica has a very good shot at taking Nat down.

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#29 Posted by agentvenom97 (10 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: I forgot about him saying that. Honestly, Jess should at least take round one, if she's sober. Her abilities should give her the W but she is untrained and not that great a fighter right now.

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#30 Posted by bflynn316 (2665 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody is stomping here.

But I give it to Jess in round 1 and Nat in round 2. Both are close fights.

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#31 Posted by omnipotence88 (1209 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Widow both rounds

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#32 Posted by LEGACY6364 (7441 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally I think both rounds can go either way.

I say this do to the fact that Jessica Jones's abilities were inconsistent through out the series.

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#33 Posted by zill0678 (2389 posts) - - Show Bio

Currently black widow takes both rounds. Jessica jones needs some real enemies under her belt to go toe to toe with some one as elite as black widow

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#34 Posted by abraham700 (660 posts) - - Show Bio

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Powers_and_Abilities

MCU: Powers and Abilities

STRENGHT:

Jessica jones: Level Superhuman.

Black widow: Level Average..

DURABILITY:

Jessica Jones: Level Enhaced.

Black Widow: level Average.

SPEED:

Jessica jones: Level Enhanced

Black widow: Level Average.

ACROBAT:

Black Widow: Level Master

Jessica Jones: Level Average

MARTIAL ARTIST

Black Widow: Level Master

Jessica jones: Level Average

FINAL RESULT: Jessica jones CURBSTOMP !!!

Black Widow has his fight skills and agility, but Jessica Jones is much stronger, much faster and more durable.

NOTE: Please understand once and for all, the fact that Jessica jones is a street character and Black Widow is member of Shiled/Avengers does not mean anything.

Luke Cage is a street character, but he would destroy Black Widow effortlessly, just like jessica jones.

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#35 Edited by Peterrubiohard (570 posts) - - Show Bio

Black widow had several chances to defeat superhumans and failed. Natasha just can not beat superhumans. Melinda may can beat Jessica Jones, she defeated several superhumans, Daredevil will likely face super humans in Defenders.

Black Widow is below of Melinda May and Daredevil. Jessica Jones would stomp Black Widow, just like Crossbones, Winter Soldier or Scarlet Witch

Black widow just would add another defeat to another superhuman.

Jessica Jones stomps

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#36 Posted by Amendment50 (15425 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally I think Widow will win but she'll have a fight

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#37 Posted by gingerpenny (2401 posts) - - Show Bio

Both rounds go to Black Widow, Jessica Jones is tough and has suprr strength, but in no way has dealt with the things Black Widow has or her training gor that matter. Black Widow is one of the top dog Avengers, Natasha wins.

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#38 Posted by Campy1 (38 posts) - - Show Bio

Black widow had several chances to defeat superhumans and failed. Natasha just can not beat superhumans. Melinda may can beat Jessica Jones, she defeated several superhumans, Daredevil will likely face super humans in Defenders.

Black Widow is below of Melinda May and Daredevil. Jessica Jones would stomp Black Widow, just like Crossbones, Winter Soldier or Scarlet Witch

Black widow just would add another defeat to another superhuman.

Jessica Jones stomps

Black Widow only lost to Crossbones because she didn't know about his immunity to eletric attacks, she couldve planned better, also she didnt have her standard gear only the widows bite. The same goes to her battles agains TWS, on the first one she was imporvising with the few, but all non-offensive, things she had, if she had her guns at the moment he would be dead rn, and in the second one she had freaking NOTHING, so we really don't know how would a fight between a fully geared up widow and bucky would end.

Also in CW she held her own against ant man, while he stomped falcon in his movie.

Jessica may win round one, but in the second one shes dead.

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#39 Posted by Sy8000 (35227 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Widow.

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#40 Edited by DSTREET45 (5280 posts) - - Show Bio

@campy1 said:

Jessica may win round one, but in the second one shes dead.

Why? The only gear she has outside of guns and grenades are Widow Bites and stun batons neither of which would just do little more than annoy Jessica considering that she shook off a taser that one-shotted Trish and needed 4 tasers at once just to stop her from fighting (they didn't even knock her out). Widow also has a regular baton which wouldn't do much to someone who took Luke Cage's brick busting punches and still kept fighting, a garrote which would easily be snapped as soon as Jessica touches it and pepper spray which is honestly Natasha's best bet in that round since she could be blinded.

In short there's barely any difference between Round 1 and 2 since most of Widow's gear won't even damage Jessica. The only onse that could are her guns (which are restricted), Widow Bites (which would barely shock her given her resistance to electrical shocks) and pepper spray (which only really delays the inevitable).

I'm going with Jessica both rounds. She's stronger, and is a decent street fighter based on her episode 6 feats and her fight against Luke Cage, and is going to be extremely hard to damage based on her average durability feats.

Edit: Just realized that Jessica is bloodlusted. She wins for sure seeing that she could kill people with one full powered punch. Hell I feel that the reason why she looks like a bad fighter (outside of possible choreography issues with the actor) is that she's holding back so she doesn't kill anyone. Without that she's free to punch as fast and hard as she wants.

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#41 Posted by Vertigo- (17729 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow should drop her in round 2. Widow bite GG. As for round 1, it's tough but Widow should take that too

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#42 Edited by tparks (11807 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow should be able to beat her without taking a hit, which being fair to Jessica, would hurt Nat quite a bit, and possibly put her down quite fast. Still Nat wins due to much better skill.

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#43 Posted by LlehDevil (7259 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally I think Widow will win but she'll have a fight

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#44 Posted by Campy1 (38 posts) - - Show Bio

@campy1 said:

Jessica may win round one, but in the second one shes dead.

Why? The only gear she has outside of guns and grenades are Widow Bites and stun batons neither of which would just do little more than annoy Jessica considering that she shook off a taser that one-shotted Trish and needed 4 tasers at once just to stop her from fighting (they didn't even knock her out). Widow also has a regular baton which wouldn't do much to someone who took Luke Cage's brick busting punches and still kept fighting, a garrote which would easily be snapped as soon as Jessica touches it and pepper spray which is honestly Natasha's best bet in that round since she could be blinded.

In short their barely any difference between Round 1 and 2 since most of Widow's gear won't even damage Jessica. The only onse that could are her guns (which are restricted), Widow Bites (which would barely shock her given her resistance to electrical shocks) and pepper spray (which only really delays the inevitable).

I'm going with Jessica both rounds. She's stronger, and is a decent street fighter based on her episode 6 feats and her fight against Luke Cage, and is going to be extremely hard to damage based on her average durability feats.

The long distance widow's bite attack is powerful enough to go through Black Panther's vibranium suit, it would probably knock Jessica out, and i don't think Jessica would be able to touch Widow since she didnt have any good agility feats. Widow has also a knive, that she used in AOU, she could easily cut JJ's throat, she also has a couple of eletric discs that goes on for a while, used in IM 2, it would definetely at least slow JJ down. Trish, with a six months krav maga training, was able to bring jessica down with only one move, Natasha could do MUCH more than that, she also has a couple of gas discs, she used in IM2, she could use it to distract JJ.

There's plenty of ways for Widow to beat Jess tbh.

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#45 Edited by DSTREET45 (5280 posts) - - Show Bio

@campy1 said:

The long distance widow's bite attack is powerful enough to go through Black Panther's vibranium suit, it would probably knock Jessica out,

Is vibranium isulated against electricity? Either way Ant-Man wasn't knocked by the same Widow bites so I don't think they're a lot more powerful than the stun sticks used against Jessica.

and i don't think Jessica would be able to touch Widow since she didnt have any good agility feats.

Neither did Crossbones nor that one random french mercenary she fought on the ship in CA:WS yet they still managed to grab Widow at least once. Widow isn't untouchable and Jessica isn't exactly slow when going all out. Once Jessica gets her hands on Widow it's over considering that she has the strength to crush her or literally rip her head off with her bare hands which she'd be more than willing to do since she's bloodlusted here.

Widow has also a knive, that she used in AOU, she could easily cut JJ's throat,

When? I don't remember her using a knife. Either way Jessica could use items in the room to defend against it or just throw at Natasha.

she also has a couple of eletric discs that goes on for a while, used in IM 2, it would definetely at least slow JJ down.

Probably but considering Widpw's gear options she doesn't have much that she could use to capitalize that on. Her best bet is the knife which I don't think she even used in any AoU fight scene.

Trish, with a six months krav maga training, was able to bring jessica down with only one move,

Because Jessica wasn't expecting a fight. Trish literally invited her in then flipped Jessica by surprise. She did better against Nuke than Trish did despite Trish also being on the red pill, Jessica having her ribs broken before the fight started, and Nuke outright saying that he was not trying to hurt Trish when he was trying his hardest to kill Jessica.

Speaking of Nuke, he outright claimed that if Jessica would mop the floor with him if she didn't brake her ribs before they fought. This is a guy on a strength enhancing, pain nullifying pills and has multiple years of Spec Ops experience/training. More skilled than Trish, more experienced, and much stronger at this point yet by his own admission a healthy Jessica would beat him even if he was on Reds.

Natasha could do MUCH more than that, she also has a couple of gas discs, she used in IM2, she could use it to distract JJ.

She barely has anything to damage Jessica with so distracting her only delays the inevitable. And I doubt a bloodlusted Jessica would be standing around like those guards were.

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#46 Posted by Hollygrove20 (210 posts) - - Show Bio

Jessica has horrible H2H. She relies to much on her opponents being surprised at her strength, and it costs her against superior fighters. Her durability is slightly above a regular human, but it's not impressive enough to matter. People need to take into account that Natasha knows Avengers Tower extremely well, and has fought successfully in that environment. She's also leaps and bounds ahead of Jones in the skill department. Her ability to take out multiple opponents in 360 degree combat makes a 1v1 like this a treat for her. Black Widow starts going for the kill if she feels outclassed or outnumbered. If she engages thinking that they're on the same level, and get's hit hard she will disengage, go into self-preservation mode, and reassess. Black Widow will win both rounds with this strategy. Her batons are exceptionally strong, her Widows Bite can one shot if she hits the right area, and her skill set is tailor-made to take out someone like this. She wins both rounds.

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#47 Edited by AngelJax (11655 posts) - - Show Bio

Jessica, both rounds. She's a lot more impressive that what people lowball her to be.

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#48 Posted by Masterpiece1 (151 posts) - - Show Bio

This ended up being way more controversial than i thought it would, so i assume theyre even in those conditions, give widow her guns and grenades and jess is dead, take away the toys and nat is dead.

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#49 Edited by ANTHP2000 (26942 posts) - - Show Bio

Natasha, moderate difficulty.

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#50 Posted by RBT (27800 posts) - - Show Bio

Natasha both rounds.

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