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#1 Edited by sportjames23 (1077 posts) - - Show Bio

You had to know this was coming. Since the movie is out in some places, and there's already been a few threads with Shazam *mumblemumbleIhatecallinghimthatmumblemumble*, let's get this one out of the way.

Win by KO

Thor has Stormbreaker, of course

Shazam has full knowledge of his powers

Fight takes place on Peter Jackson's Hobbit/LOTR Middle Earth where the Five Armies fought (neutral territory)

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#2 Posted by Aquatic_Pianist (689 posts) - - Show Bio

Loved Shazam, thought it was a funny and great movie. That being said, I think they didn’t show anything close to Shazam’s full potential, he was learning his powers the entire movie. So Thor would win easily for now.

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#3 Posted by Shafamalam (109 posts) - - Show Bio

SHAZAM BLITZES

DUNNO HOW HE WILL PUT HIM DOWN

MAYBE PUTTING STORMBREAKER IN HIS HEAD?

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#4 Edited by Alanclower (78 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor stomp shazam are people stupid.

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#5 Posted by Peyton-M (37 posts) - - Show Bio

Feats for Shazam?

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#6 Posted by Thanos_thebadas (1253 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor easily

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#7 Posted by KingTchalla03 (676 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor is too slow. If Billy is competent then he can beat him but if he fights stupid then he loses.

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#8 Posted by destinyman75 (14224 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor lol STOMPS

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#9 Posted by kgb725 (18727 posts) - - Show Bio

Billy is not captain marvel

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#10 Edited by GateOfBabylon (4000 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow, in which countries did Shazam get released so early?

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#12 Posted by MOWJACK (1296 posts) - - Show Bio
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#13 Posted by Archangel01 (1847 posts) - - Show Bio

Billy should win

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#14 Posted by el-kun (457 posts) - - Show Bio

DC fanboys thinking Shazam has 1%chance against IW Thor

Thor could literally shred him apart

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#15 Posted by CyberpunkCop (3399 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor wins he has better lightning/strength/durability/striking power Shazam is faster though

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#16 Posted by Archangel01 (1847 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyberpunkcop: apart from good energy durabiity MCU Thor is like a street leveler especially in speed department

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#17 Edited by CyberpunkCop (3399 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyberpunkcop: apart from good energy durabiity MCU Thor is like a street leveler especially in speed department

Thor fought on par with Hela who massacred an entire legion of superhuman Asgardians he's far above street level in speed

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#18 Posted by DarkPsychicLord_Prime (4076 posts) - - Show Bio

Billy's feats didn't get much more impressive than the gif in the OP, Thor stomps in a mismatch.

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#19 Posted by TheGerudoKing (1594 posts) - - Show Bio

According to copyright laws, Carol Danvers is the real Captain Marvel. Get over it.

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#20 Posted by Archangel01 (1847 posts) - - Show Bio

Billy is above MCU Thor physically plus Thor is like a street leveler apart from energy durability

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#21 Posted by ThEBeStOfTheBeST (11097 posts) - - Show Bio

Billy is above MCU Thor physically plus Thor is like a street leveler apart from energy durability

Why's that?

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#22 Posted by Mad_Jim (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor rapes...

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#23 Posted by Alavanka (2580 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretending Thor is street level isn't going to help Shazam win.

Speed
Speed
Lifting strength
Lifting strength

Striking strength
Striking strength
Energy projection
Energy projection

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#24 Edited by pkety (219 posts) - - Show Bio
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#25 Posted by NWgzsjUwhM96Y2 (3811 posts) - - Show Bio

@archangel01: By high ends Thor is above entire DCEU combined physically. I did not bother to quantify it yet but his ice breaking and opening the iris of nidavellir feats should be hundred thousand ton range or more.

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#26 Edited by Archangel01 (1847 posts) - - Show Bio

@nwgzsjuwhm96y2: Thor doesnt have any physical attributes at all, that iris was controlled by some mechanism he may not be appliying no more than 500 tonnes,

Plus Hela vs Thor fight feels like street level, just compare it to Zod vs Superman or Sivana vs Shazam,

Supes and Zod would wreck that Asgardian palace if they fought in it

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#27 Posted by NWgzsjUwhM96Y2 (3811 posts) - - Show Bio

@archangel01: IIRC Thor opened the mechanism with pure strength. Plus due to w = f*d he should be lifting dozens of times the weight of the iris too since the iris moved much more than his arms. I will look at the scene again tho.

Thats because Marvel choses to use shitty low budget like effects for fights. While Hulk is easily capable of creating large shockwaves just by punching, he only did once in the Hulkbuster fight. They just don't show as much destruction. In Marvel comics planet level characters fight without destroying even a single city. Same bullshit likely applies to MCU. I actually like that part of DCEU, they make the fights realistic. Sometimes things even glow red-yellow when punched like DD, WWs shield and sword etc. It is actuallu realistic. While in MCU even a 4km Mountain+ sized being moving doesnt cause shockwaves.

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#28 Posted by Archangel01 (1847 posts) - - Show Bio

@nwgzsjuwhm96y2: agreed, DCEU depicts the fighs better, in Shazam for example, Sivana and Billy fights in MOS stlye, pretty cool

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#29 Posted by NWgzsjUwhM96Y2 (3811 posts) - - Show Bio

@archangel01: Its not out here yet so its good to hear its fights are good. Even with just %20 of the budget of the infinity war they make better fights. Fights in IW were pathetic. Hulk and Thanos are supposedly some of the most powerful beings in the universe and yet their fights looked like just 2 street levelers fighting.

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#30 Posted by patrat18 (11738 posts) - - Show Bio

Loved Shazam, thought it was a funny and great movie. That being said, I think they didn’t show anything close to Shazam’s full potential, he was learning his powers the entire movie. So Thor would win easily for now.

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#31 Posted by LuminousHydra (286 posts) - - Show Bio

Real Captain Marvel who no-selled a punch that sent him to the cloud wins.

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#32 Posted by Lord_Titan_ (2633 posts) - - Show Bio

Shazam probably wont be serious enough to beat thor, whereas thor is

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#33 Posted by Eobard21 (5320 posts) - - Show Bio

Tough Fight

Thor should win

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#34 Posted by TheRealValkyrie (83 posts) - - Show Bio

@nwgzsjuwhm96y2:

This is so true, I deifently enjoy the fast paced fights in the DCEU, but I hate the story so much, to me it just seems so jumbled and stuff(just my opinion). I really enjoy how the stuff in the Marvel movies comes together but damn they make such powerful characters look so weak.

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#35 Posted by eri123 (651 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor

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#36 Posted by Archangel01 (1847 posts) - - Show Bio

Thought about it again , Thor would take it as Billy is just a kid,he will probably grow with his powers in the future as Sins indicated that he is getting stronger and he was able overpower Sivana at the end whereas in their first fight he was overcomed by him

DCEU Black Adam movie will come in 2021, cant wait for MCU Thor vs DCEU Black Adam( The Rock vs Chris Hemsworth)

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#37 Edited by Alavanka (2580 posts) - - Show Bio

@pkety said:

@cyberpunkcop: um asgardians are street level speed

Even regular Asgardians would be as fast as super-soldiers, who are well above peak human. Thor is significantly faster than Captain America. Like I said, pretending that Thor is street level isn't going to help Shazam win this. Pick any attribute, and there are feats of Thor performing things that would be outright impossible for a street level character. For example, speed:

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#38 Posted by Laiks Stake (1282 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor lolstomps.

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#39 Edited by pkety (219 posts) - - Show Bio

@alavanka: if you watch man of steel or JL you can see showing of real combat speed which is presumably what Shazam has. Thor has flight speed and all that but all his combat speed is no different from cap, and cap is about street level.

I’m not saying saying Thor is slow, just that the mcu doesn’t have anyone who fights fast at all. No one except quicksilver has perceived time in slow motion like supes can, and Shazam at full is pretty much magical supes.

In the end Thor probably has a better chance since billy is a dumbass

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#40 Edited by Openthedoor (173 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor god stomp.

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#41 Edited by Alavanka (2580 posts) - - Show Bio

@pkety said:

@alavanka: if you watch man of steel or JL you can see showing of real combat speed which is presumably what Shazam has. Thor has flight speed and all that but all his combat speed is no different from cap, and cap is about street level.

I’m not saying saying Thor is slow, just that the mcu doesn’t have anyone who fights fast at all. No one except quicksilver has perceived time in slow motion like supes can, and Shazam at full is pretty much magical supes.

In the end Thor probably has a better chance since billy is a dumbass

Thor can use his flight speed in combat, which makes it his combat speed. He may not be as fast as Shazam if Shazam really scales to Superman, but he is definitely faster than Cap or any actual street level characters in the MCU. Cap cannot launch attacks like this:

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#42 Posted by panda_emperorix (3687 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor stomps

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#43 Posted by ANTHP2000 (26795 posts) - - Show Bio

(the real Captain Marvel)

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#44 Edited by Earthmine5248 (62 posts) - - Show Bio

@thegerudoking: False. Marvel has the trademark for the name not the copyright. Meaning DC can’t title his comics CM. They can however still name the character himself that and rightly so since it’s his name. Otherwise the only reason they made his name Shazam Post Flashpoint was in Geoff Johns’ words, everyone thought that was his name anyways.

On the other hand Billy can no longer use Shazam as his name anymore as Geoff’s new series shows that he can’t say if without transforming now and so he’ll likely take his true name back. Until then there are plenty of universes and media where he’s using his name. In the universe established by Jeff Smith’s Monster Society of Evil, Billy is the host for the Wizard’s champion Captain Marvel. On Earth 5 (refer to Multiversity Thunderworld) Billy as the Wizard’s champion is of course Captain Marvel as it reflects classic Earth S. Young Justice also still has classic CM. Pretty much only the New 52 and the direct to video new 52 movies call him Shazam. I of course haven’t seen the new movie yet but I’ll see it once it releases here.

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#45 Posted by RedHood_JayTodd (1671 posts) - - Show Bio

The original and true Captain Marvel

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#46 Edited by pkety (219 posts) - - Show Bio

@nwgzsjuwhm96y2: we look at movie feats not implied feats so it’s marvels fault for making their characters subsonic and not powerful enough. His punches thrown look* just like caps, although they launch people farther. But even in his solo movies he was just knocking people within the room, or across the room like the prison scene in TDW or maybe even throwing them out the room. Him and hulks all our feats were all still confined in the stadium. Shazam and the dr dude were being punched across the city, not even dragged across the city like hulk vs hulkbuster. If you watch man of steel Supes and Zod or supes and faora were literally punching each other miles away into the next freaking town. Their fights literally takes them to space on a regular basis without portals like in TDW. I like MCU movies better but looking at the facts dceu characters just have better Combat feats, and if full power Shazam scales to supes Thor’s dead

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#47 Posted by NWgzsjUwhM96Y2 (3811 posts) - - Show Bio

@pkety: Throwing Hulk through 100 fts of 1-2 inch thick metal sheets > punching someone 1 km through air. Thors stadium hit is better than nearly all DCEU striking feats.

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#48 Posted by pkety (219 posts) - - Show Bio

@nwgzsjuwhm96y2: So hitting hulk with a hammer to destroy 1-2 inch thick metal along a wall is more impressive than supes punching zod through skyscrapers? or faora throwing supes through a town into a gas station? hulk didnt even go through it. Supes was getting punched into the ground all the time in MOS and was wrecking the ground, like

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Scraping something while breaking it isnt as impressive as going straight through it and many more. Steel reinforced concrete skyscraper beams > 2 inch sheet metal imo

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#49 Posted by NWgzsjUwhM96Y2 (3811 posts) - - Show Bio

@pkety: Assuming 1 inch thickness, 2 meters height and 50 meters length it is around 2.5 m^3 of metal destroyed. It looked like a pretty ductile metal and considering its an alien metal used to make an arena for superpowered fighters it should at least be better than cheap stainless steel which can have toughness up to ~390.000.000 J/m^3. So Thor nearly hit with 1 Billion joules. Thats energy equal to throwing someone (100 kgs) at mach 13. Marvel is pretty terrible at portraying conctant power level in fights but MCU has arguably better feats than DCEU.

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#50 Posted by CyberpunkCop (3399 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor seriously one shots