MCU Iron Spider vs. CW Black Lightning

Peter has his morals off

Jefferson has his morals off

Who wins

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Black Lightning.

Peter has no answer for that area of effect lightning.

Black Lightning.

Black Lightning more often than not

If from what your picture of Spiderman describes.

His new suit from Infinity War will put him above Black Lightning

If he has his suit from homecoming, Not at all.

His suit has counterproductive measures for anything Black Lightning could put against him. His suit could handle 0 base level atmospheric pressure. If he can handle that he can handle Black Lightning. So if its Spiderman and his new suit from Infinity war, he takes it.

If it is from homecoming, Black Lightning wins.

Iron Man`s A1 suit absorbed Thor`s lightning. Spidey can replicate same and wins here.

Peter

based on what?

Phase 3 Iron Man`s tech> Phase 1 Iron Man`s tech

It's not an Iron Man suit that has been stated to do what the other can....head-canon doesn't count as an argument

Actually it is Iron Man suit with just different design. Even without that he`s endured blows from Thanos which is leagues above than electricity

The Iron Spider suit is modern generation Iron Man tech, made even after the Iron Man Mark 47 suit but before the infamous Iron Man Mark 48 suit. Iron Man’s Mark 6 suit absorbed a bolts of lightning from Mjolnir and magnified power by over 400%.

Not every Iron Man suit is as strong as the others as shown in Civil War.....I doubt the suit that got bodied by two street levelers can absorb Thor's lightning without exploding. Electricity doesn't compare to physical punches of any kind, try using logic.

Head-canon doesn't count as an argument, stop applying feats from Iron Man's suits onto a suit that doesn't have those feats, otherwise we'll be saying that Ultron Bots can absorb lightning

Punching and blasting lightning both are physical attacks.

There`s no proof that Iron Spider suit is weaker than IM`s A1 suit.

You clearly don't know the difference between physical and metaphysical, and Jeff doesn't have to blast Peter, just stun, magnetize and immobilize him ....

There is much proof that his suit is weaker than IM's A1 suit considering it doesn't seem to boost his strength too much and doesn't have the strength feats of IM's suits, whereas in A1, IM's suit didn't compress and implode under the force of pushing the helicarrier rotors, not to mention, that suit took a hammer throw from Thor before absorbing the lightning, you saying Peter could replicate that? Like I said, use logic, at least try.

@iceheart_30: + @ancient_0f_days: all Iron-Man suits, nor suits made by Tony Stark don’t automatically get all of the same features as the other suits.

Couldn't BL just absorb the electricity from Peter's suit? He will basically make the suit entirely useless and just a hindrance to Peter. BL takes it.

Thank you

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Both are physical based attacks , you are thinking that energy projection is hax but you are wrong. Iron Spider suit is made of same material as bleeding edge. There`s no physical evidence or proof of that but IIRC Tony created this suit from template of Mark XLVI. Also why would Tony give Peter suit weaker than Mark VI?

You don't know the difference between physical and metaphysical, electromagnetism and electricity are not physical at all...you can't touch the EM spectrum and you can't physically hold electricity as if it has weight....saying I'm wrong doesn't make you look smarter. The Mark XLVI was the same suit that got bodied by Cap and Bucky and is hailed as one of his weakest suits to date. It doesn't matter why he'd give him a weaker suit....that's like asking why didn't Tony just give Peter an Iron Man suit in Homecoming, because it's supposed to be tailored to the wearer, not to mention he based the Iron Spider off of a weaker suit anyway....so there's that.

I`m out

@ancient_0f_days: 1. Ultron bodies aren’t Stark’s tech. Ultron bodies were made by the Hydra guys in Sokovia. As seen in Iron Man 1 and Iron Man 2, it is very hard even for organizations like Hydra to replicate Stark’s tech. Ultron bodies were literally fodder against everything Stark actually had his hand in inventing (Iron Man, War Machine, Vision)

2. Iron Man builds a lot of his suits (even ones not for himself) with similar capabilities until he finally gets a new style going for the suits. Example: Iron Man Mark 46 and War Machine Mark 3 acted practically identical in Civil War, being made in the same time period. Meanwhile War Machine’s Mark 1 suit and Iron Man’s Mark 4 suit back in Iron Man 2 only had certain similar functions but had noticeable differences too. And the War Machine Mark 2 (aka Iron Patriot) wasn’t at all like the Iron Man Mark 42 in Iron Man 3. Spider-Man’s suit got an upgrade from a little idea Tony had whipped up when he barely knew Peter to a full on Avengers-worthy suit that Tony sat up for him with all of his fancy metal and insane tech abilities.

3. It’s not like the suit is just literally featless though. It’s already survived traveling out of the atmosphere and being in the vacuum of space. Seemed to make Peter even more faster and agile than previously. And why wouldn’t it? It’s top notch tech from Tony. The Mark 6 wasn’t ever exactly invented to absorb lightning, just because it got that feat doesn’t mean there is some design ability Tony gave it, that literally happened on accident. Notice how surprised he was because he was expecting Jarvis to tell him he was damaged? This is the same Mark 6 that couldn’t withstand being inside of the helicarrier’s engine for more than a few seconds without being completely destroyed. Peter’s withstood plenty of things like that in weaker suits.

How about these then.....

You saying this can absorb Thor's lightning and survive a hammer throw?

However, they all have varying level's of durability and functionality, not all of them can absorb lightning and take multiple hits from Thor...Not to mention....

Being in the vacuum of space doesn't give him resistance to electricity, the fact we see the Mark 6 (Stark's primary suit at the time) absorb lightning means we can expect that same result when he upgrade his personal suits, not every suit is going to have such capabilities unless specifically shown. Peter hasn't withstood anything like being hit multiple times with Helicarrier rotors, like I said....

Concession accepted

Hell no. First of all what I meant about ''physical damage'' was that lightning and punching both require physical interrelation between attack and target. It doesn`t bypasses your durability and it isn`t hax. Thanos`s casual punch has more attack potency than electricity. Secondly I`m saying that Spidey`s suit will be able to absorb lightning and you have 0 feats to counter it. Spidey`s suit is template of Civil War armor which is combination of inferior Mark models and logically it should be able to endure at least one hit from lightning.

@ancient_0f_days: First off:

https://youtu.be/mOm0RIfiiGQ

Those Iron Legion bots did actually get hit head on by Mjolnir. And yeah, they got back up after too.. shocking! You can see it at about 1 minute 32 seconds smacks the Iron Legion bot right in the face with Mjolnir and sends it flying and it gets back up later! That’s so crazy how that Iron Legion bot can take a Mjolnir hit better than the old Iron Man suits! It’s almost like Tony started making his tech better. You haven’t disproved any of my points, the Ultron bots made by Hydra tech were fodder to every different piece of tech shown in the movie that Tony Stark made that they fought.

Second off: You’re absolutely right, there are Iron Man suits made with different functions. You know what the Mark 6’s function was? Nothing. It was literally just made to work with Tony’s new arc reactor element that he changed the old element out for in Iron Man 2. It was nothing special at all. It’s literally the stock fodder model that every other Iron Man suit after was based off of before further specialized to whatever function it would be ready for if any. The Mark 6 is literally just a prototype that accidentally absorbed lightning. You can’t prove there’s anything special about it seeing as how the plot itself didn’t make anything special out of it and quoting another user’s similar claim doesn’t back up your own argument at all. I’ve brought in actual comparisons of the capabilities of the Iron Man and War Machine armors for my second point about how similar the techs are that Tony makes when made during certain time periods. I’m still waiting for you to do anything at all on that point.

Third off: Oh you think Peter hasn’t? Let’s see what Peter’s done:

-At his very introduction Tony showed him effortlessly catching and lifting a 3,000 pound car moving towards him at 40 miles per hour and then sitting back down.

-Easily overwhelmed Bucky’s metal arm with only one hand and twisted it backwards while casually chatting, the same arm that served as Bucky’s only way to hurt Tony’s suit later in the “bodied by Cap and Bucky” moment you’re mentioning later.

-Thrown through a window on an upper floor of an airport.

-Has a 60,000 pound air tunnel crash on top of him from more than several feet above and he still manages to hold it on screen and keep talking to Cap, who even acknowledges his strength with that feat.

-Withstood multiple hits from Giant-Man and that guy was practically ragdolling Iron Man and War Machine.

That’s just from Civil War... in Spider-Man Homecoming:

-Survives getting dropped into a river from very high altitude by Vulture.

-Survives two ends of a Statton Island Ferry pulling against his body (that’s thousands of tons pulling against him from either side).

-In the old hoodie suit that had no Stark tech at all he survived taking an electricity coated punch from Shocker in: https://youtu.be/o6FpUczDDaQ

And you can clearly see in the above ^ clip that Shocker was breaking school buses apart with low effort punches and tossing school buses across the parking lot and flipping them over. He hits Peter and at one point toward the end it is absolutely visible that the electricity is touching Peter’s body. Literally nothing at all.

How’s that for helicarrier rotors not even moving at full force tearing apart the Iron Man suit that accidentally absorbed Thor’s lightning? All of that was either done in his first Stark suit or with no Stark tech at all. Both of those are not like his Iron Spider suit, especially not in durability since the Iron Spider suit is high tech metal.

And to cover your last two quotes, firstly nothing I’ve said has been headcannon. As I pointed out earlier, I’ve been covering things literally in the movies from Iron Man, War Machine, Ultron, Iron Legion, Spider-Man, Giant-Man, Captain America, Bucky, and Shocker (as of the typing of this comment) while all you’ve been doing is claiming that Tony makes suits for different purposes (without proving the Mark 6 accidentally withstanding lighting has anything to do with the function it was made for) and quoting others that aren’t backing up their points either. Secondly, the Mark 46 did get subdued by Cap and Bucky but there’s: A, a lot of context you must’ve missed, B, previous moments you’re ignoring, and C, you’re ignoring how Bucky and Cap even did that to begin with. So let’s cover A: Tony was angry at Bucky and wanted to take Bucky out. He wasn’t trying to fight Cap until towards the end and he kept begging Cap to just stay down and give up. He barely gave Cap any attention and allowed almost every hit Cap gained in the fight to be a free hit, and whenever Bucky got within his line of sight Tony would immediately just drop what he was doing with Cap and rush back to Bucky. Next let’s cover B: that suit didn’t just appear in the final fight dude. It was in the whole movie and it was a key part in the Avengers’ battle at that airport in which it survived being hit by multiple cars from Wanda and getting ragdolled by Giant-Man among other things. And finally, let’s cover C: you think Bucky and Cap were getting the better of Tony because they were just strong? No. Steve got his chance to hit Tony for a solid thirty seconds and Tony was still able to just analyze his fighting style and then floor him in a few punches. So how did they damage him at all? Bucky’s metal arm and Steve’s Vibranium shield. Steve had to slam his shield against Tony like a madman just to get his helmet off and to break the arc reactor in his chest and Bucky had to squeeze with quite noticeable effort from his metal arm to damage the repulsor in Tony’s hand. Yeah it was a bit sketchy that Steve seemed to take out one of Tony’s leg thrusters with a single slap of the shield against it, but the other moments seemed to take literally everything the two of them had to do those minimal damages to the suit. Plus unlike Tony both of them were free to fight with level heads and teamwork. And unlike Tony they’re both extremely good at close quarters combat (which was exactly their setting).

So yeah, I’ll accept your concession if you’re really ready for it.

yt1

Show me Spider-Man's suit absorbing electricity......or concede.......

He casually swung his hammer and tore it's legs off.......enough said....no chance of that thing absorbing lightning if it gets amputated from casual hammer swings....

The Mark six was the first of Iron Man's suits that we saw charge itself from an external power source......from that we can assume his primary suits can replicate that, however, that same suit that you call fodder, has some of the best feats next to his AoU suit, IW suit, and Hulk Buster......outside of that, his Mark 3 was clearly inferior as was his Mark 4, as was his silver centurion suitcase suit, as was the majority of suits in IM 3.....a suit that took hits from Thor and tanked helicarrier rotors is top 4 at least.....and none of the other suits that weren't direct upgrades from his main suit were this durable...nor have any reason to be believed to absorb lightning like this one.....

Overall, that has nothing to do with the ability of the Iron Spider suit to absorb or counter electricity, Shocker's fist was all about force, not the electric shock.....moving on, your implication that every suit after Avengers can absorb lightning is headcanon. Until you prove the Iron Spider suit can absorb lightning or even answer for it....you may as well concede too

I don't think his suit can absorb electricity Considering that starlord was about to kill iron spider with this gun.

@plotweapon16255 said:

I don't think his suit can absorb electricity Considering that starlord was about to kill iron spider with this gun.

Well, technically it's on stun but.......there's that, thanks for the input

@plotweapon16255:

Same gun holded bleeding edge. It's not electricity.

@ancient_0f_days:

None of us have physical evidence but logically I'm right so lets discuss after Spidey gets enough feats. Now peace.

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That's all I need to see

@ancient_0f_days: you claiming Shocker’s fist is all about force is literally a headcannon. It’s in his name and description of the weapon that it generates electricity around the fist and hits the opponent with said electricity. Here’s it hitting Peter:

https://youtu.be/a-Xoy7zDuDc (Fast forward to 1:00)

And here’s the same clip I already sent where Peter also got hit by it on another occasion: https://youtu.be/o6FpUczDDaQ (Fast forward to 0:35)

OH AND BEFORE I LET YOU GO, here’s a picture of the electricity literally hitting Peter in a still from one of those links I sent, just in case it’s way too fast for you: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/3/33/SMH_Brice_x_Spidey.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180424035820

Figured I would get that one out of the way because it is the most important part of this because I actually did bring you an instance of Spider-Man being hit with electricity with a clip from the movie to back it up. Now I’ve resent it and given you another clip of a different time he also tanked and electricity and given you a still image just so you can finally get past yourself and see that yes electricity is in fact hitting him.

Anyhow:

You don’t have any memory of the Iron Legion scene I guess. It’s all in: https://youtu.be/mOm0RIfiiGQ

At 1:31, Thor hits one in the upper body with Mjolnir. Nothing it just goes flying back, no legs seen flying off or torn off because of that hit later because it immediately goes and attacks Tony and Rhodey and pushes Tony through a bookcase.

At 1:40, Thor lunges at another Iron Legion bot and hits it dead on in the upper body again with Mjolnir and it only succeeds in throwing the bot back AGAIN.

At 2:08, one of the Iron Legion bots tanked multiple hits from Steve and then incapicitated him even quicker than Corvus Glaive did in Infinity War (it took Corvus 15 seconds to defeat him). Just figured I’d throw that out there because if you think the Mark 46 can’t do anything because of Steve “bodying” it well look the Iron Legion bot just took him out in under 10 seconds and tanked his punches like they were a pillow fight.

At 2:22, Thor dodges past an Iron Legion bot’s repulsor blasts. Then he slams Mjolnir into its knee and knocks it off balance then grabs it by the waist with his hands and rips it in half and chunks it onto the lower floor in literal seconds.

So yes, Thor did break an Iron Legion bot. But they already tanked Mjolnir swings twice without being severely broken or even noticeably damaged at all. The third one took one to the knee and then Thor ripped it in half with his raw strength. The bot was still able to fly and scare the crap out of that scientist lady before Steve grabbed it and threw it at Thor who pinned it on the ground and crushed its head with Mjolnir. So it took 2 Mjolnir strikes (assuming that isn’t even the same Iron Legion bot that Thor already hit the other two times, which I don’t think it was, but if it was that’s up to four direct strikes) and Thor ripping it in half with raw strength just to kill the bot.

How about: https://youtu.be/c2KrQgjU0ZM at 3:25, Thor angrily jumps up and slams Mjolnir straight into Steve. His shield literally tanks it so well that not only is it undamaged, but Steve is still standing on one leg and on his knee on the other one and gets back up after barely a few seconds. That’s the same shield that served as Steve’s only way to damage the Iron Man Mark 46 suit that you wanted to claim nonsense against.

On that final point, all of those feats I brought up for Peter were because you said that Peter didn’t have anything close to the Mark 6’s near death feat to a helicarrier engine. Stop trying to turn apples to oranges, you’d know if you kept up with your own comments and mine that I was addressing what you tried to bring up that Peter had nothing close to it in the way of strength feats. I’ve literally shown you examples of Peter having the weight of a dozen elephants crash down onto him that jet tunnel falling onto him, Peter resisting the pull of two halves of a ferry something that would snap the arms off of something much more durable than a human, and Peter tanking electricity in weaker suits from the Shocker’s ELECTRIC glove. Watch the links and look at the still image, he’s getting hit by electricity.

something tells me you don't know why shocker is called shocker, it's not for electric shock, it's for shock waves.....you know what those are right?.......anyway, the electrical damage isn't what kills them, it's the punch, so your obsession with trying to prove me wrong is deluding your sense of logic. Also, something tells me that you're comparing the Shocker's glove's electricity output, to Black Lightning's ......that's where I don't even feel the need to argue with you because that's a strawman argument like I've never seen before and it'd be a waste of my time to even tell you how wrong you are for comparing the Shocker's glove (who's main function is punching things really hard) with someone who can manipulate the EM spectrum....

Moving on, it was a different bot than the other two swings....the others went flying off screen and since there was an unspecified amount pouring into the room, there's nothing to say otherwise....he shattered it in less than 2 swings....if those suits were just as strong as Avengers 1 Iron Mans suit...they'd keep fighting...and you're like the scarecrow with these strawman arguments, really using Thor hitting the vibranium shield which is known to completely absorb and deflect all physical damage it takes......you're not helping yourself....

You've done nothing to prove Iron Spider can absorb electricity or counter it........concede

@ancient_0f_days: once again you’ve practically ignored most of my points or disregarded whatever context they came in. You still haven’t disproven anything about the electricity that clear hit Peter twice in Homecoming and didn’t do anything major to him. And no, if you watching the clip it went: Thor delivers one swing to the right kneecap, Thor rips the bot in half and throws it downstairs, Steve throws the bot back to Thor who brings the hammer down and crushes its head. That’s at least two uses of the hammer against 1 Iron Legion bot plus the amount of force Thor used to rip it in half something neither hammer swing accomplished.

AND YES! I did bring up Thor’s hammer hitting the Vibranium shield. WHY? Because YOU brought up Steve beating one of Tony’s later suits. I pointed out it was largely due to the same shield you yourself just talked up a ton that he did any damage at all to the Mark 46 suit. You haven’t disproven that. I’m glad we both agree that Steve’s shield is incredibly powerful and I’m glad you’ve yet to disagree at all that the shield was Steve’s primary way of breaking the Mark 46.

You’ve done a grand total of nothing to disprove the electricity that Shocker uses besides saying that the real damage comes from the force the glove delivers. And yeah. I haven’t disagreed with that at all I mean the thing was throwing buses like pebbles. I’m just saying you can’t ignore the fact that the glove is still producing electricity and that it still directly hit Peter twice in the various links I sent at the beginning of my comment. Go ahead, show me how the electricity that hit Peter wasn’t electricity and/or wasn’t hitting Peter. I mean man I’ve been waiting.

I haven’t even gotten to Black Lightning, friend. Stop jumping ahead. You claimed Peter has nothing at all to electricity compared to the Mark 6, I showed Peter’s normal hoodie suit and first Stark-tech suit get hit by the electricity from Shocker’s glove and he was a-okay after. Nothing to do with how he’d do against Black Lightning, again it’s about context. Right now we’re literally only discussing whether Peter can take electricity at all or not and I’ve given examples that he clearly can because he has. You keep assuming where my argument is going but guess what it isn’t going anywhere. It’s right here. This is literally it. I’ve given you still images and clips from the movie, feats and comparisons across I think a dozen characters at this point, and endured all the borderline insulting talk that YOU brought into this conversation first. You’re not going to get another response if you don’t, 1. Clean up that act. I’m not going to treat you nice if you don’t treat me nice and you’re the one that brought the madly aggressive talk here. 2. Actually bring up any arguments at all against my key points that fall within the context. Something I might say about Spider-Man’s durability to something has nothing to do with Black Lightning, because I guarantee you I only had to bring it out because of some offhand comment you said about the Mark 46 getting bodied or Ultron bots or whatever.

You know why I skip most of what you have to say, because it has nothing to do with my main points nor does it do anything to prove how Iron Man's weakest suit which is what the Iron Spider is based off of makes Spider-Man somehow able to absorb lightning, since that very same suit got BODIED by Cap and Bucky. You continue to bring up the shocker glove like it's electrical output compares to Black Lightning.......the whole thing we've been getting to, is how you and one other user somehow believe Iron Spider can absorb electricity.......Peter has no real feats against electricity of Jeffs caliber......so everything about the shocker glove is irrelevant......you weren't even paying attention to my posts or the course of this thread, why should I pay attention to you.

Iron Spider.

Honestly, everyone who thinks Spider-Man wins at this point thinks so for no reason at all.

@plotweapon16255: Just because he was aiming for the head, doesn't mean it would have killed him. Aside from trapping Spider-Man he didn't do anything.

Just seen FFAH....and Jeff still wins.

Jeff

Bump

Black Lightning

Jefferson. More experienced with his powers, and fighting super powered threats, as well as his powers allowing him to be more versatile. He schools Peter.

@g2_: The Starlord Gun has multiple buttons that let it switch from non deadly(Electricity) to deadly(The Red blast, that blows holes in people).

And none can hurt Iron Spidey.

@g2_: Again, the guns can blow holes through people, I'm pretty sure that would likely kill Spidey.

@joker567892: Iron Spidey is not people, he is much more durable.