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#1 Posted by GraniteVision (3147 posts) - - Show Bio
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VS

Round 1)Steve Rogers with new shiel

Round 2)MCU Bucky and Natasha

Round 3)MCU T'Challa in new suit

Round 4)MCU Proxima and Corvus

No flyght

10 meters between opponents

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#2 Posted by miekskywalker (2067 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 3

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#3 Posted by omriamar (7068 posts) - - Show Bio

1 Cap Solo

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#4 Posted by Amcu (16211 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm thinking T'Challa.

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#5 Edited by Richubs (3689 posts) - - Show Bio

He could stop at 1

He isn't getting through the shield and given that he has wiring exposed like an idiot it's safe to assume Cap can tear them off.

And after it's torn apart and Stane is exposed he has no chance of winning.

It'll take some quick thinking and time however. If Captain doesn't play smart he'll lose badly.

Otherwise it's T'Challa.

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#6 Posted by Subline (6911 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 3 because Monger's weapons aren't electricity based, so he couldn't hurt panther, he just uses simple rockets and missiles and bullets. Which do nothing to Panther's vibranium.

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#7 Posted by Lord_Titan_ (2532 posts) - - Show Bio

3

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#8 Posted by Shaladue (552 posts) - - Show Bio

I can see him stopping at one. He's not exactly quick enough to stop Cap from breaking him down. Just a big slow Ironman inferior no better than Civil War suit Tony or Ultron second form.

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#9 Posted by mrmonster (14600 posts) - - Show Bio

Clears

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#10 Posted by Lan_Fan (12677 posts) - - Show Bio

He should clear.

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#11 Posted by cromulor (2086 posts) - - Show Bio

If Stane uses all of his firepower properly, he could clear 1 and 2. He won’t be able to break T’Challa’s durability though and his exposed wiring is going to be incredibly easy for T’Challa’s claws to mess with.

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#12 Edited by plotweapon16255 (7449 posts) - - Show Bio

@cromulor said:

If Stane uses all of his firepower properly, he could clear 1 and 2. He won’t be able to break T’Challa’s durability though and his exposed wiring is going to be incredibly easy for T’Challa’s claws to mess with.

Lol, he isn't anywhere near Mark 3 helmet level durability which he crushed casually.

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that was no sell to AA round & crash impact in the face.

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#13 Posted by ANTHP2000 (25660 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at T'Challa.

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#14 Edited by plotweapon16255 (7449 posts) - - Show Bio

Ironmorge clears.

Ironmorge is Ridiculously underrated

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#15 Posted by cromulor (2086 posts) - - Show Bio
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#16 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7449 posts) - - Show Bio
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#17 Posted by xZone (10328 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7449 posts) - - Show Bio

@xzone said:

@plotweapon16255: The rino had a vibranium spike.

Why does it matter considering that even 2 grenade was able to do the same!

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#19 Posted by xZone (10328 posts) - - Show Bio

@plotweapon16255: It matters because it is the truth. You can't just lie about feats because you believe another feat makes it right.

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#20 Posted by Supermanforever (7840 posts) - - Show Bio

I think he clears

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#21 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7449 posts) - - Show Bio

@xzone said:

@plotweapon16255: It matters because it is the truth. You can't just lie about feats because you believe another feat makes it right.

It doesn't make it any difference from regular hit.

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#22 Posted by xZone (10328 posts) - - Show Bio

@plotweapon16255: The truth is the truth. Lying for the purpose of an argument is never the answer

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#23 Edited by plotweapon16255 (7449 posts) - - Show Bio
@xzone said:

@plotweapon16255: The truth is the truth. Lying for the purpose of an argument is never the answer

Bullshit isn't truth.

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#24 Posted by xZone (10328 posts) - - Show Bio
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#25 Posted by imagein (863 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at Black Panther.

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#26 Edited by Aka_aka_aka_ak (2906 posts) - - Show Bio

Should clear, despite the relatively primitive suit, this is still a Hulkbuster sized suit and arguably comparably strong, it was throwing cars around casually iirc.

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#27 Edited by JakeFuryV2 (3106 posts) - - Show Bio

Post IW T'challa is a pile of ash.

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#28 Posted by GeorgeWBush (11535 posts) - - Show Bio

Down at 3

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#29 Edited by Dre_Savage (5504 posts) - - Show Bio

3.

While Buck and Cap could do damage to a non-flying Monger (if they snuck up on him), they shouldn’t be able to dodge his blasts and bullets starting in front of him without getting shot. They have exposed body parts that with rapid fire guns and missiles, they should be hit. Then Monger LITERALLY stomps them. Widow of course is fodder.

T’Challa can tank the hits because of his suit and then get around him to start taking apart his suit. But you have to get to him first. Unless the first two rounds start out of sight, that shouldn’t happen any ol’ kinda way.

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#30 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7449 posts) - - Show Bio

3.

While Buck and Cap could do damage to a non-flying Monger (if they snuck up on him), they shouldn’t be able to dodge his blasts and bullets starting in front of him without getting shot. They have exposed body parts that with rapid fire ins, should be hit. Then Monger LITERALLY stomps them. Widow of course is fodder.

T’Challa can tank the hits because of his suit and then get around him to start taking apart his suit. But you have to get to him first. Unless the first two rounds start out of sight, that shouldn’t happen any ol’ kinda way.

He isn't tanking this.

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Which is no sell to this.

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#31 Edited by strangetales (1710 posts) - - Show Bio

4

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#32 Posted by GraniteVision (3147 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

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#33 Posted by Dre_Savage (5504 posts) - - Show Bio

@plotweapon16255:

When exactly would Monger have T’Challa’s Head in his hand like that? He’s not moving nearly as quick enough catch Black Panther. T’Challa has seen War Machine/Iron Man in action (and would have even further knowledge if he knows Monger is one of Tony’s suits). But even without the latter, he’s seen the suits. He’s seen repulser shots and gunfire/missiles being shot. The only difference is that Monger’s is huge (which to anyone should mean, don’t get in grabbing range, it’s probably really strong). So he tanks or dodges the bullets/missiles and stays out of grabbing range by jumping over/sliding under (or concealing himself if possible for a sneak attack) and then appears on him and starts doing damage.

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#34 Posted by HC03 (302 posts) - - Show Bio

Struggles with Cap, if he gets past then he clears, seeing as the rest of the gauntlet is dead except from nat.

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#35 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7449 posts) - - Show Bio

@plotweapon16255:

When exactly would Monger have T’Challa’s Head in his hand like that?

If he tries to do what ironman did!

He’s not moving nearly as quick enough catch Black Panther.

He will catch him eventually if BP tries anything to hurt him.

T’Challa has seen War Machine/Iron Man in action (and would have even further knowledge if he knows Monger is one of Tony’s suits).

But even without the latter, he’s seen the suits. He’s seen repulser shots and gunfire/missiles being shot.

The only difference is that Monger’s is huge (which to anyone should mean, don’t get in grabbing range, it’s probably really strong). So he tanks or dodges the bullets/missiles and stays out of grabbing range by jumping over/sliding under (or concealing himself

Ironmorge targeting system was able tag ironman who is way faster then BP.

So, he isn't gonna dodge/avoid it.

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if possible for a sneak attack) and then appears on him and starts doing damage.

He has ZERO technical knowledge to know where to attack!

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#36 Edited by Dre_Savage (5504 posts) - - Show Bio

@plotweapon16255:

Well yes, jumping into the arms of a foe like 5 times your size from a warrior’s standpoint, especially one that has seen creatures like Hulk and Thanos’ goons (size typically means strength) and one that has seen the strength of Iron Man’s suit...that would be just suicidal.

His maneuverability wasn’t agile at all. I could see if this was the Hulk, as Hulk jumps, turns and reacts fast. Monger does not. And to make it harder for him, T’Challa does. Bucky’s arm was able to get through Tony’s CW suit without vibranium. T’Challa HAS vibranium claws; plus, this is one of the first suits from Tony (which should be that much “weaker”).

And yes, while his missiles and such will knock T’Challa round, they won’t hurt him. Heck, he held exploding arrows to his face from Clint and didn’t flinch. The same arrows that knocked Loki off his Chitauri hover-craft (didn’t hurt him, as he’s a god, but just saying if the blast could ragdoll Loki, it must’ve had SOME kick. But not to T’Challa’s suit).

And remember, Monger, can’t fly in this battle. So he’s legit going to be lumbering toward Black Panther, shooting bullets and missiles (and potentially getting hit with his energy redirection) until he’s out of ammo, then what? He’d be like an armored guy on stilts trying to tag and catch a squirrel...one with vibranium teeth that’s going to slowly (but surely), scratch through and damage his weaponry/armor bit by bit. He may not know exactly where to attack (common sense again would be to go for either slits in the armor, or vital spots like the head/neck), but he should get the job done.

Only way T’Challa loses to me (barring jobbing) is if he doesn’t have a helmet on and is susceptible to missile/bullet injury. Otherwise, he’s faster, better armored and has WAY more combat knowledge than Monger. Plus a way to slowly carve him a new one.

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#37 Posted by Doofasa (1797 posts) - - Show Bio

He should clear.

His only real challenge would be T'challa, however he has an automated targeting system capable of hitting him and the fire power to stun him long enough to be able to stomp on his head or crush him with his hands. IMO people tend to overrate T'challa's durability a little bit and act like he can no sell missiles and grenades, however when he was actually hit with a grenade launcher though it put him down for over 10 seconds (1:30 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_MKUntOwaE). He was also stunned by a Rhino hit which in my opinion would be far less force then a strike from Ironmonger (who can casually throw cars).

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#38 Posted by Richubs (3689 posts) - - Show Bio

I have a feeling that Iron Monger is slightly overrated.

The only way it's better than Mark 3 is is strength.

It isn't as maneuverable, it isn't as well designed with wiring exposed and gaps all around it. It probably isn't as durable as the suit is an upgrade of what Tony made in the cave so it probably uses the same or slightly better materials. It's probably not even as fast and the only reason for why it could catch up to Tony was because of a better power source.

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#39 Posted by GraniteVision (3147 posts) - - Show Bio

@shaladue said:

I can see him stopping at one. He's not exactly quick enough to stop Cap from breaking him down. Just a big slow Ironman inferior no better than Civil War suit Tony or Ultron second form.

hah inferior to Civil War siut?Nice joke

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#40 Posted by Shaladue (552 posts) - - Show Bio

@shaladue said:

I can see him stopping at one. He's not exactly quick enough to stop Cap from breaking him down. Just a big slow Ironman inferior no better than Civil War suit Tony or Ultron second form.

hah inferior to Civil War siut?Nice joke

Where's the joke? Is it you?

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#41 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7449 posts) - - Show Bio

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Well yes, jumping into the arms of a foe like 5 times your size from a warrior’s standpoint, especially one that has seen creatures like Hulk and Thanos’ goons (size typically means strength) and one that has seen the strength of Iron Man’s suit...that would be just suicidal.

Ironmorge>>>>>>>>fodders.

His maneuverability wasn’t agile at all. I could see if this was the Hulk, as Hulk jumps, turns and reacts fast. Monger does not. And to make it harder for him, T’Challa does.

His targeting system is tagged ironman who is way more durable & faster then him.

Bucky’s arm was able to get through Tony’s CW suit without vibranium. T’Challa HAS vibranium claws;

CW suit is the weakness version of ironman suit!

plus, this is one of the first suits from Tony (which should be that much “weaker”).

Lol, this is the 3rd strongest suit he has!

And yes, while his missiles and such will knock T’Challa round, they won’t hurt him.

Killmonger disagrees!

Heck, he held exploding arrows to his face from Clint and didn’t flinch.The same arrows that knocked Loki off his Chitauri hover-craft (didn’t hurt him, as he’s a god, but just saying if the blast could ragdoll Loki, it must’ve had SOME kick. But not to T’Challa’s suit).

Lol, his CW explosive arrows were pathetic compared to A1 arrows.

And remember, Monger, can’t fly in this battle. So he’s legit going to be lumbering toward Black Panther, shooting bullets and missiles (and potentially getting hit with his energy redirection) until he’s out of ammo, then what? He’d be like an armored guy on stilts trying to tag and catch a squirrel...one with vibranium teeth that’s going to slowly (but surely), scratch through and damage his weaponry/armor bit by bit. He may not know exactly where to attack (common sense again would be to go for either slits in the armor, or vital spots like the head/neck), but he should get the job done.

Ironmorge targeting system will potential one shot him!

Only way T’Challa loses to me (barring jobbing) is if he doesn’t have a helmet on and is susceptible to missile/bullet injury. Otherwise, he’s faster, better armored and has WAY more combat knowledge than Monger. Plus a way to slowly carve him a new one.

Targeting system can potentially one shot BP!

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#42 Posted by ANTHP2000 (25660 posts) - - Show Bio

Looking back, the Russians have a very good chance to stop him in R2.

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#43 Posted by deactivated-5bb6a6f86dc65 (4972 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 2, Natasha could solo.

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#44 Edited by GraniteVision (3147 posts) - - Show Bio

@shaladue said:
@granitevision said:
@shaladue said:

I can see him stopping at one. He's not exactly quick enough to stop Cap from breaking him down. Just a big slow Ironman inferior no better than Civil War suit Tony or Ultron second form.

hah inferior to Civil War siut?Nice joke

Where's the joke? Is it you?

heavy armored mech suit vs tiny armor which was fodderized by two SS?

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#45 Posted by GraniteVision (3147 posts) - - Show Bio

Looking back, the Russians have a very good chance to stop him in R2.

How?

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#46 Edited by Dre_Savage (5504 posts) - - Show Bio

@plotweapon16255:

Am I missing a feat in which a blast severely injured T’Challa? I was under the impression that either a vibranium piercing weapon (and MAYBE choking), would be the only things to damage him. I thought his suit absorbed kinetic energy and redistributed it. Or does he get wounds under the suit somehow? I know he gets rag-dolled, but is he ever truly HURT?

Also, what WOULD actually hurt T’Challa?

Bullets from Monger (if he has them)? Nope, he was unphased when the helicopter shot him when he first chased Buck.

Rockets? Well, let’s break down what they do. The heat from the rocket? Nah, his suit should protect that. Didn’t he walk over a fiery aircraft in Black Panther at the end fight scene? Shrapnel? Nope, won’t pierce the suit. Concussive force? I doubt it. This dude has been smacked around and tanked falling from great heights and more or less shrugged it off. Not to mention, his suit absorbs and redirects it. So he’ll fly back 30ft, hit a tree. Go, “damnit,” and then get up. And if he’s smart, he’ll store the energy from a missile strike or two and then jump on top of IM before redistributing it.

Now if Monger could fly and/or T’Challa was helmet-less, then yeah, he’s probably lose. But not with 3 movies worth of feats against a grounded, slow moving enemy with like 2 feats.

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#47 Edited by GraniteVision (3147 posts) - - Show Bio

@plotweapon16255:

Am I missing a feat in which a blast severely injured T’Challa? I was under the impression that either a vibranium piercing weapon (and MAYBE choking), would be the only things to damage him. I thought his suit absorbed kinetic energy and redistributed it. Or does he get wounds under the suit somehow? I know he gets rag-dolled, but is he ever truly HURT?

Also, what WOULD actually hurt T’Challa?

Bullets from Monger (if he has them)? Nope, he was unphased when the helicopter shot him when he first chased Buck.

Rockets? Well, let’s break down what they do. The heat from the rocket? Nah, his suit should protect that. Didn’t he walk over a fiery aircraft in Black Panther at the end fight scene? Shrapnel? Nope, won’t pierce the suit. Concussive force? I doubt it. This dude has been smacked around and tanked falling from great heights and more or less shrugged it off. Not to mention, his suit absorbs and redirects it. So he’ll fly back 30ft, hit a tree. Go, “damnit,” and then get up. And if he’s smart, he’ll store the energy from a missile strike or two and then jump on top of IM before redistributing it.

Now if Monger could fly and/or T’Challa was helmet-less, then yeah, he’s probably lose. But not with 3 movies worth of feats against a grounded, slow moving enemy with like 2 feats.

Helmet less T'Challa would have been killed with a single punch to tha face

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#48 Posted by Dre_Savage (5504 posts) - - Show Bio

@granitevision:

Well...yeah. Take out the word “probably” for helmet-less. More so meant that for if flight was allowed. And in THAT case, Monger would still have to tag him. His suits flight wasn’t as agile as Tony’s was. But yes, without a helmet, Monger punches his head off.

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#49 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7449 posts) - - Show Bio

@plotweapon16255:

Am I missing a feat in which a blast severely injured T’Challa?

Couple of Grenade overwhelmed his suit.

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I was under the impression that either a vibranium piercing weapon (and MAYBE choking),would be the only things to damage him. I thought his suit absorbed kinetic energy and redistributed it. Or does he get wounds under the suit somehow? I know he gets rag-dolled, but is he ever truly HURT?

NLF doesn't apply when feat has already shown him get hurt!

Also, what WOULD actually hurt T’Challa?

Couple of grenade & rhino can do that!

Bullets from Monger (if he has them)? Nope, he was unphased when the helicopter shot him when he first chased Buck.

Ironmorge gun is GAU-8/A Avenger that can one shot tanks.

Even a bulletproof vest can tank those helicopter bullets.

Rockets? Well, let’s break down what they do. The heat from the rocket? Nah, his suit should protect that. Didn’t he walk over a fiery aircraft in Black Panther at the end fight scene? Shrapnel? Nope, won’t pierce the suit. Concussive force? I doubt it. This dude has been smacked around and tanked falling from great heights and more or less shrugged it off. Not to mention, his suit absorbs and redirects it. So he’ll fly back 30ft, hit a tree. Go, “damnit,” and then get up. And if he’s smart, he’ll store the energy from a missile strike or two and then jump on top of IM before redistributing it.

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Ironmorge missile would one shot him.

Now if Monger could fly and/or T’Challa was helmet-less, then yeah, he’s probably lose. But not with 3 movies worth of feats against a grounded, slow moving enemy with like 2 feats.

BP suit isn't crush-proof.

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#50 Posted by buildhare (8612 posts) - - Show Bio

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