MCU Iron Monger vs After IW MCU

VS

Round 1)Steve Rogers with new shiel

Round 2)MCU Bucky and Natasha

Round 3)MCU T'Challa in new suit

Round 4)MCU Proxima and Corvus

No flyght

10 meters between opponents

Stops at 3

1 Cap Solo

I'm thinking T'Challa.

He could stop at 1

He isn't getting through the shield and given that he has wiring exposed like an idiot it's safe to assume Cap can tear them off.

And after it's torn apart and Stane is exposed he has no chance of winning.

It'll take some quick thinking and time however. If Captain doesn't play smart he'll lose badly.

Otherwise it's T'Challa.

Stops at 3 because Monger's weapons aren't electricity based, so he couldn't hurt panther, he just uses simple rockets and missiles and bullets. Which do nothing to Panther's vibranium.

3

I can see him stopping at one. He's not exactly quick enough to stop Cap from breaking him down. Just a big slow Ironman inferior no better than Civil War suit Tony or Ultron second form.

Clears

He should clear.

If Stane uses all of his firepower properly, he could clear 1 and 2. He won’t be able to break T’Challa’s durability though and his exposed wiring is going to be incredibly easy for T’Challa’s claws to mess with.

Lol, he isn't anywhere near Mark 3 helmet level durability which he crushed casually.

that was no sell to AA round & crash impact in the face.

Stops at T'Challa.

Ironmorge clears.

Ironmorge is Ridiculously underrated

@plotweapon16255: T’Challa’s wearing Vibranium...

So what?

Even rhino's hit disoriented him!

@plotweapon16255: The rino had a vibranium spike.

OT: Clears with ease

@plotweapon16255: It matters because it is the truth. You can't just lie about feats because you believe another feat makes it right.

I think he clears

It doesn't make it any difference from regular hit.

@plotweapon16255: The truth is the truth. Lying for the purpose of an argument is never the answer

Bullshit isn't truth.

@plotweapon16255: Uh huh. Right

Stops at Black Panther.

Should clear, despite the relatively primitive suit, this is still a Hulkbuster sized suit and arguably comparably strong, it was throwing cars around casually iirc.

Post IW T'challa is a pile of ash.

Down at 3

3.

While Buck and Cap could do damage to a non-flying Monger (if they snuck up on him), they shouldn’t be able to dodge his blasts and bullets starting in front of him without getting shot. They have exposed body parts that with rapid fire guns and missiles, they should be hit. Then Monger LITERALLY stomps them. Widow of course is fodder.

T’Challa can tank the hits because of his suit and then get around him to start taking apart his suit. But you have to get to him first. Unless the first two rounds start out of sight, that shouldn’t happen any ol’ kinda way.

He isn't tanking this.

Which is no sell to this.

4

Bump

@plotweapon16255:

When exactly would Monger have T’Challa’s Head in his hand like that? He’s not moving nearly as quick enough catch Black Panther. T’Challa has seen War Machine/Iron Man in action (and would have even further knowledge if he knows Monger is one of Tony’s suits). But even without the latter, he’s seen the suits. He’s seen repulser shots and gunfire/missiles being shot. The only difference is that Monger’s is huge (which to anyone should mean, don’t get in grabbing range, it’s probably really strong). So he tanks or dodges the bullets/missiles and stays out of grabbing range by jumping over/sliding under (or concealing himself if possible for a sneak attack) and then appears on him and starts doing damage.

Struggles with Cap, if he gets past then he clears, seeing as the rest of the gauntlet is dead except from nat.

@plotweapon16255:

Well yes, jumping into the arms of a foe like 5 times your size from a warrior’s standpoint, especially one that has seen creatures like Hulk and Thanos’ goons (size typically means strength) and one that has seen the strength of Iron Man’s suit...that would be just suicidal.

His maneuverability wasn’t agile at all. I could see if this was the Hulk, as Hulk jumps, turns and reacts fast. Monger does not. And to make it harder for him, T’Challa does. Bucky’s arm was able to get through Tony’s CW suit without vibranium. T’Challa HAS vibranium claws; plus, this is one of the first suits from Tony (which should be that much “weaker”).

And yes, while his missiles and such will knock T’Challa round, they won’t hurt him. Heck, he held exploding arrows to his face from Clint and didn’t flinch. The same arrows that knocked Loki off his Chitauri hover-craft (didn’t hurt him, as he’s a god, but just saying if the blast could ragdoll Loki, it must’ve had SOME kick. But not to T’Challa’s suit).

And remember, Monger, can’t fly in this battle. So he’s legit going to be lumbering toward Black Panther, shooting bullets and missiles (and potentially getting hit with his energy redirection) until he’s out of ammo, then what? He’d be like an armored guy on stilts trying to tag and catch a squirrel...one with vibranium teeth that’s going to slowly (but surely), scratch through and damage his weaponry/armor bit by bit. He may not know exactly where to attack (common sense again would be to go for either slits in the armor, or vital spots like the head/neck), but he should get the job done.

Only way T’Challa loses to me (barring jobbing) is if he doesn’t have a helmet on and is susceptible to missile/bullet injury. Otherwise, he’s faster, better armored and has WAY more combat knowledge than Monger. Plus a way to slowly carve him a new one.

He should clear.

His only real challenge would be T'challa, however he has an automated targeting system capable of hitting him and the fire power to stun him long enough to be able to stomp on his head or crush him with his hands. IMO people tend to overrate T'challa's durability a little bit and act like he can no sell missiles and grenades, however when he was actually hit with a grenade launcher though it put him down for over 10 seconds (1:30 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_MKUntOwaE). He was also stunned by a Rhino hit which in my opinion would be far less force then a strike from Ironmonger (who can casually throw cars).

I have a feeling that Iron Monger is slightly overrated.

The only way it's better than Mark 3 is is strength.

It isn't as maneuverable, it isn't as well designed with wiring exposed and gaps all around it. It probably isn't as durable as the suit is an upgrade of what Tony made in the cave so it probably uses the same or slightly better materials. It's probably not even as fast and the only reason for why it could catch up to Tony was because of a better power source.

hah inferior to Civil War siut?Nice joke

Where's the joke? Is it you?

Looking back, the Russians have a very good chance to stop him in R2.

Stops at 2, Natasha could solo.

heavy armored mech suit vs tiny armor which was fodderized by two SS?

How?

@plotweapon16255:

Am I missing a feat in which a blast severely injured T’Challa? I was under the impression that either a vibranium piercing weapon (and MAYBE choking), would be the only things to damage him. I thought his suit absorbed kinetic energy and redistributed it. Or does he get wounds under the suit somehow? I know he gets rag-dolled, but is he ever truly HURT?

Also, what WOULD actually hurt T’Challa?

Bullets from Monger (if he has them)? Nope, he was unphased when the helicopter shot him when he first chased Buck.

Rockets? Well, let’s break down what they do. The heat from the rocket? Nah, his suit should protect that. Didn’t he walk over a fiery aircraft in Black Panther at the end fight scene? Shrapnel? Nope, won’t pierce the suit. Concussive force? I doubt it. This dude has been smacked around and tanked falling from great heights and more or less shrugged it off. Not to mention, his suit absorbs and redirects it. So he’ll fly back 30ft, hit a tree. Go, “damnit,” and then get up. And if he’s smart, he’ll store the energy from a missile strike or two and then jump on top of IM before redistributing it.

Now if Monger could fly and/or T’Challa was helmet-less, then yeah, he’s probably lose. But not with 3 movies worth of feats against a grounded, slow moving enemy with like 2 feats.

Helmet less T'Challa would have been killed with a single punch to tha face

@granitevision:

Well...yeah. Take out the word “probably” for helmet-less. More so meant that for if flight was allowed. And in THAT case, Monger would still have to tag him. His suits flight wasn’t as agile as Tony’s was. But yes, without a helmet, Monger punches his head off.

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