MCU Iron Man vs Spectacular Spider-Man
Spider-Man doesn't have damage output to take out someone who could walk off tank shells. He hurt his hand with the enhanced symbiote suit trying to punch through reinforced steel covering the Vulture's flight pack. He is incredibly agile, more so than most non comic iterations of the character, so Tony may struggle to tag him for a bit, but he has the better strength feats, weaponry to one shot as well a small manoeuvrability edge with flight to add to his durability. He wins every time.
Spider-Man doesn't have damage output to take out someone who could walk off tank shells. He hurt his hand with the enhanced symbiote suit trying to punch through reinforced steel covering the Vulture's flight pack. He is incredibly agile, more so than most non comic iterations of the character, so Tony may struggle to tag him for a bit, but he has the better strength feats, weaponry to one shot as well a small manoeuvrability edge with flight to add to his durability. He wins every time.
How do you think Tobey and Andrew's Spider-Men would fair?
@wewlad80: Funny,he took one of them to the face and it didn't even scratch.
Because it was a kid's show, I don't think Peter ever truly avoided bullets or anything as fast as Tony's repulsors.
Still, he's fast enough to stall him and take the physical blows relatively nicely, but lacks the damage output to destroy the armor before getting tagged.
Spider-Man doesn't have damage output to take out someone who could walk off tank shells. He hurt his hand with the enhanced symbiote suit trying to punch through reinforced steel covering the Vulture's flight pack. He is incredibly agile, more so than most non comic iterations of the character, so Tony may struggle to tag him for a bit, but he has the better strength feats, weaponry to one shot as well a small manoeuvrability edge with flight to add to his durability. He wins every time.
I am pretty sure that is outlier since another time he has shown he can break through it, and in any case why can't he beat ironman? Spectacular Spider-Man is really durable, and consistently has shown that he can beat people who are stronger than himself.
Because it was a kid's show, I don't think Peter ever truly avoided bullets or anything as fast as Tony's repulsors.
Still, he's fast enough to stall him and take the physical blows relatively nicely, but lacks the damage output to destroy the armor before getting tagged.
He has though
@watcher5000: That was in episode 1, which was months before Vulture used reinforced steel.
@dstreet45: Yeah,but still the fact that he sent venom flying through a wall in their last fight makes me think it is outlier.
Spider-Man doesn't have damage output to take out someone who could walk off tank shells. He hurt his hand with the enhanced symbiote suit trying to punch through reinforced steel covering the Vulture's flight pack. He is incredibly agile, more so than most non comic iterations of the character, so Tony may struggle to tag him for a bit, but he has the better strength feats, weaponry to one shot as well a small manoeuvrability edge with flight to add to his durability. He wins every time.
I am pretty sure that is outlier since another time he has shown he can break through it, and in any case why can't he beat ironman? Spectacular Spider-Man is really durable, and consistently has shown that he can beat people who are stronger than himself.
He broke through it the first time in his first superhero battle, but when Vulture joined the sinister six, he had it strengthened. As for beating people stronger than himself, the only real one without context are Kraven and Tombstone. He had greater stamina and used his webs to wear him down to finish him off. With Tombstone who dominated him in their first battle, he fought him relatively evenly before effectively rabbit punching him by web slinging heavy piping at the back of his head. Other people like Venom, Captain Jupiter, Doctor Octopus, Molten Man had clear weaknesses that he could exploit. Rhino and Sandman where as dumb as a pile of rocks. Tony is stronger, faster and smarter than Peter without these exploitable weaknesses. Peter struggles enough with the Green Goblin who lacks the armour strength and weaponry capabilities of Tony.
There are other low end feats as well. He struggled to get out of the Ox's grip twice, once in the season premier and the other time when he had to escape from prison, both while Ox wasn't enhanced (he resorted to pulling his moustache with his webbing). He had to struggle to stop a speeding Semi truck, ala Spider-Man-2 train stopping style, when those level feats really shouldn't a problem for Spider-Man level characters. By contrast Tobey Peter did a much more impressive feat with a Train. Garfield caught a flying police car like a baseball. Holland Peter caught a 3000 pound car at 30 mph while laughing. Even Ultimate Spider-Man caught a small falling helicopter from the sky. He also struggled to rip off a car door Venom webbed him to..... again this is something he shouldn't really struggle. Hell he was momentarily beaten by Hammerhead, whose only peak human with knuckle dusters and the armour-plated head.
All these showings lead me to believe he'll struggle with someone of Iron-Man's caliber.
MCU iron man is the most inconsistent character ever his armor can take tank shells but not punches from cap and Bucky makes no sense
Spider-Man doesn't have damage output to take out someone who could walk off tank shells. He hurt his hand with the enhanced symbiote suit trying to punch through reinforced steel covering the Vulture's flight pack. He is incredibly agile, more so than most non comic iterations of the character, so Tony may struggle to tag him for a bit, but he has the better strength feats, weaponry to one shot as well a small manoeuvrability edge with flight to add to his durability. He wins every time.
I am pretty sure that is outlier since another time he has shown he can break through it, and in any case why can't he beat ironman? Spectacular Spider-Man is really durable, and consistently has shown that he can beat people who are stronger than himself.
He broke through it the first time in his first superhero battle, but when Vulture joined the sinister six, he had it strengthened. As for beating people stronger than himself, the only real one without context are Kraven and Tombstone. He had greater stamina and used his webs to wear him down to finish him off. With Tombstone who dominated him in their first battle, he fought him relatively evenly before effectively rabbit punching him by web slinging heavy piping at the back of his head. Other people like Venom, Captain Jupiter, Doctor Octopus, Molten Man had clear weaknesses that he could exploit. Rhino and Sandman where as dumb as a pile of rocks. Tony is stronger, faster and smarter than Peter without these exploitable weaknesses. Peter struggles enough with the Green Goblin who lacks the armour strength and weaponry capabilities of Tony.
There are other low end feats as well. He struggled to get out of the Ox's grip twice, once in the season premier and the other time when he had to escape from prison, both while Ox wasn't enhanced (he resorted to pulling his moustache with his webbing). He had to struggle to stop a speeding Semi truck, ala Spider-Man-2 train stopping style, when those level feats really shouldn't a problem for Spider-Man level characters. By contrast Tobey Peter did a much more impressive feat with a Train. Garfield caught a flying police car like a baseball. Holland Peter caught a 3000 pound car at 30 mph while laughing. Even Ultimate Spider-Man caught a small falling helicopter from the sky. He also struggled to rip off a car door Venom webbed him to..... again this is something he shouldn't really struggle. Hell he was momentarily beaten by Hammerhead, whose only peak human with knuckle dusters and the armour-plated head.
All these showings lead me to believe he'll struggle with someone of Iron-Man's caliber.
What episode did he struggle with Hammerhead? He's probably the worst of his rogues, so losing to him is really pathetic.
Anyway, this post summarizes Spidey's strength perfectly. It's incredibly inconsistent, he can lift a machine that weights perhaps tens of tons, but then can't tear off a car door?
Spider-Man doesn't have damage output to take out someone who could walk off tank shells. He hurt his hand with the enhanced symbiote suit trying to punch through reinforced steel covering the Vulture's flight pack. He is incredibly agile, more so than most non comic iterations of the character, so Tony may struggle to tag him for a bit, but he has the better strength feats, weaponry to one shot as well a small manoeuvrability edge with flight to add to his durability. He wins every time.
I am pretty sure that is outlier since another time he has shown he can break through it, and in any case why can't he beat ironman? Spectacular Spider-Man is really durable, and consistently has shown that he can beat people who are stronger than himself.
He broke through it the first time in his first superhero battle, but when Vulture joined the sinister six, he had it strengthened. As for beating people stronger than himself, the only real one without context are Kraven and Tombstone. He had greater stamina and used his webs to wear him down to finish him off. With Tombstone who dominated him in their first battle, he fought him relatively evenly before effectively rabbit punching him by web slinging heavy piping at the back of his head. Other people like Venom, Captain Jupiter, Doctor Octopus, Molten Man had clear weaknesses that he could exploit. Rhino and Sandman where as dumb as a pile of rocks. Tony is stronger, faster and smarter than Peter without these exploitable weaknesses. Peter struggles enough with the Green Goblin who lacks the armour strength and weaponry capabilities of Tony.
There are other low end feats as well. He struggled to get out of the Ox's grip twice, once in the season premier and the other time when he had to escape from prison, both while Ox wasn't enhanced (he resorted to pulling his moustache with his webbing). He had to struggle to stop a speeding Semi truck, ala Spider-Man-2 train stopping style, when those level feats really shouldn't a problem for Spider-Man level characters. By contrast Tobey Peter did a much more impressive feat with a Train. Garfield caught a flying police car like a baseball. Holland Peter caught a 3000 pound car at 30 mph while laughing. Even Ultimate Spider-Man caught a small falling helicopter from the sky. He also struggled to rip off a car door Venom webbed him to..... again this is something he shouldn't really struggle. Hell he was momentarily beaten by Hammerhead, whose only peak human with knuckle dusters and the armour-plated head.
All these showings lead me to believe he'll struggle with someone of Iron-Man's caliber.
Molten man didn't actually have a weakness.
As for Ox that was in the first episode and in that same episode he did catch a falling helicopter.And I don't see why struggling to stop a speeding car carrier truck is a bad feat.
As for Venom it was more the webbing that he was struggling with and not the car door.
And hammerhead has been shown to be able to put holes in walls with his head, so he should be more than peak human.
Spider-Man doesn't have damage output to take out someone who could walk off tank shells. He hurt his hand with the enhanced symbiote suit trying to punch through reinforced steel covering the Vulture's flight pack. He is incredibly agile, more so than most non comic iterations of the character, so Tony may struggle to tag him for a bit, but he has the better strength feats, weaponry to one shot as well a small manoeuvrability edge with flight to add to his durability. He wins every time.
I am pretty sure that is outlier since another time he has shown he can break through it, and in any case why can't he beat ironman? Spectacular Spider-Man is really durable, and consistently has shown that he can beat people who are stronger than himself.
He broke through it the first time in his first superhero battle, but when Vulture joined the sinister six, he had it strengthened. As for beating people stronger than himself, the only real one without context are Kraven and Tombstone. He had greater stamina and used his webs to wear him down to finish him off. With Tombstone who dominated him in their first battle, he fought him relatively evenly before effectively rabbit punching him by web slinging heavy piping at the back of his head. Other people like Venom, Captain Jupiter, Doctor Octopus, Molten Man had clear weaknesses that he could exploit. Rhino and Sandman where as dumb as a pile of rocks. Tony is stronger, faster and smarter than Peter without these exploitable weaknesses. Peter struggles enough with the Green Goblin who lacks the armour strength and weaponry capabilities of Tony.
There are other low end feats as well. He struggled to get out of the Ox's grip twice, once in the season premier and the other time when he had to escape from prison, both while Ox wasn't enhanced (he resorted to pulling his moustache with his webbing). He had to struggle to stop a speeding Semi truck, ala Spider-Man-2 train stopping style, when those level feats really shouldn't a problem for Spider-Man level characters. By contrast Tobey Peter did a much more impressive feat with a Train. Garfield caught a flying police car like a baseball. Holland Peter caught a 3000 pound car at 30 mph while laughing. Even Ultimate Spider-Man caught a small falling helicopter from the sky. He also struggled to rip off a car door Venom webbed him to..... again this is something he shouldn't really struggle. Hell he was momentarily beaten by Hammerhead, whose only peak human with knuckle dusters and the armour-plated head.
All these showings lead me to believe he'll struggle with someone of Iron-Man's caliber.
Molten man didn't actually have a weakness.
As for Ox that was in the first episode and in that same episode he did catch a falling helicopter.And I don't see why struggling to stop a speeding car carrier truck is a bad feat.
As for Venom it was more the webbing that he was struggling with and not the car door.
And hammerhead has been shown to be able to put holes in walls with his head, so he should be more than peak human.
what i dont understand is how spidey even got tagged by hammerhead and ox in the prison break episode.
the last episode of season 2 showed some amazing agility, it doesn't make sense to me that he's getting tagged by slower, sluggish enemies.
hell i remember he even once got tagged by a thug.
@dirtytree333: And ironman's armor was broken apart by a truck,ripped apart by people with the extremis virus, and ironman was beaten by Captain america.Don't act like he has no low showings.
@dirtytree333: And ironman's armor was broken apart by a truck,ripped apart by people with the extremis virus, and ironman was beaten by Captain america.Don't act like he has no low showings.
to be fair those low showings are kinda like spidey's average showings
spidey got hit by a truck O'hirn was driving and was gone for like 10 seconds
kraven and tombstone have similar physical attributes to people with the extremis virus, but the latter are more durable
peter was beaten by hammerhead and other lesser rogues
@dirtytree333: And ironman's armor was broken apart by a truck,ripped apart by people with the extremis virus, and ironman was beaten by Captain america.Don't act like he has no low showings.
also i was mainly concentrating on how many times spidey gets tagged
if he constantly gets tagged by much slower opponents, tony's just going to shoot him or something lmao.
@dirtytree333: And ironman's armor was broken apart by a truck,ripped apart by people with the extremis virus, and ironman was beaten by Captain america.Don't act like he has no low showings.
to be fair those low showings are kinda like spidey's average showings
spidey got hit by a truck O'hirn was driving and was gone for like 10 seconds
kraven and tombstone have similar physical attributes to people with the extremis virus, but the latter are more durable
peter was beaten by hammerhead and other lesser rogues
Peter was never beaten by Hammerhead, but in fact beat him,silver sable and rhino in one episode.
@dirtytree333: And ironman's armor was broken apart by a truck,ripped apart by people with the extremis virus, and ironman was beaten by Captain america.Don't act like he has no low showings.
also i was mainly concentrating on how many times spidey gets tagged
if he constantly gets tagged by much slower opponents, tony's just going to shoot him or something lmao.
He doesn't constantly get tagged.
what i dont understand is how spidey even got tagged by hammerhead and ox in the prison break episode.
Maybe because both Hammerhead and Ox are actually a good fighters in the show? Hammerhead causally crushed an 8 ball with one hand and was going toe to toe with Silver Sable. Hell he even tripped Green Goblin once. He even got Rhino to back off of him by using his steel plated head to repeatedly head butt him in the face. And Ox was only able to grab Spidey in that episode because Fancy Dan kicked him towards him. And that only happened because Spidey's spidersense was going off so much that he couldn't tell where the next attack was coming from (outright said so himself).
And it's not like Spidey was never tagged by people slower than him in other media or even the comics. He may be fast but he's not untouchable.
the last episode of season 2 showed some amazing agility, it doesn't make sense to me that he's getting tagged by slower, sluggish enemies.
Again you're assuming that they are slow and sluggish. Hammerhead was more plenty fast enough to keep up with Silver Sable and Ox was able to dodge Shocker's shockwaves. They may not be as fast and agile as Spidey but they aren't slow.
hell i remember he even once got tagged by a thug.
That's a low showing and doesn't happen constantly. Even then that was right after he separated from the smbiote so it's possible that he was adjusting being downgraded back to his normal stats.
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