• 159 results
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
Avatar image for angeljax
#1 Edited by AngelJax (11765 posts) - - Show Bio
No Caption Provided
No Caption Provided

Round 1: h2h only

Round 2: Danny can use Chi and has access to his Zen Mode. Natsha has all gear she has used in the movies.

Who wins?

Avatar image for deactivated-5a46927fc5463
#2 Edited by deactivated-5a46927fc5463 (2849 posts) - - Show Bio

R1: Danny

R2: Natasha stomps

Avatar image for angeljax
#3 Posted by AngelJax (11765 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

Avatar image for rbt
#4 Edited by RBT (28645 posts) - - Show Bio

Danny takes R1. R2 is a toss up. Both can one shot the other. In character, Nat should take a majority.

Avatar image for allstarsuperman
#5 Posted by AllStarSuperman (43256 posts) - - Show Bio

Danny

Natasha

Avatar image for nickzambuto
#6 Posted by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio

Danny R1, reasoning should be fairly self evident. But I'd actually pick Widow in R2. With the way she was able to outsmart Winter Soldier multiple times, I see her cunning as prevailing versus Danny's inexperience.

Avatar image for deactivated-5a89ca5697052
#7 Edited by deactivated-5a89ca5697052 (8063 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Danny handily.

Round 2: Natasha shoots him.

Avatar image for jedixman
#8 Posted by JediXMan (42744 posts) - - Show Bio

Danny R1, reasoning should be fairly self evident. But I'd actually pick Widow in R2. With the way she was able to outsmart Winter Soldier multiple times, I see her cunning as prevailing versus Danny's inexperience.

Would Nat be able to outsmart him within 10 ft? She outsmarted Bucky by tricking and ambushing him, but that wouldn't work in a straight fight - especially one where they start in close proximity.

Moderator
Avatar image for nickzambuto
#9 Edited by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:
@nickzambuto said:

Danny R1, reasoning should be fairly self evident. But I'd actually pick Widow in R2. With the way she was able to outsmart Winter Soldier multiple times, I see her cunning as prevailing versus Danny's inexperience.

Would Nat be able to outsmart him within 10 ft? She outsmarted Bucky by tricking and ambushing him, but that wouldn't work in a straight fight - especially one where they start in close proximity.

The moment the battle starts she can literally turn around and run away and force Danny to chase after her, since he literally has to be within makeout-distance just to do something. Not something you typically see in action fights, and it might be a little awkward, but she has the option, lol

Avatar image for deactivated-5a46927fc5463
#10 Posted by deactivated-5a46927fc5463 (2849 posts) - - Show Bio
Avatar image for jedixman
#11 Posted by JediXMan (42744 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:
@nickzambuto said:

Danny R1, reasoning should be fairly self evident. But I'd actually pick Widow in R2. With the way she was able to outsmart Winter Soldier multiple times, I see her cunning as prevailing versus Danny's inexperience.

Would Nat be able to outsmart him within 10 ft? She outsmarted Bucky by tricking and ambushing him, but that wouldn't work in a straight fight - especially one where they start in close proximity.

The moment the battle starts she can literally turn around and run away and force Danny to chase after her, since he literally has to be within makeout-distance just to do something. Not something you typically see in action fights, and it might be a little awkward, but she has the option, lol

Sure, but it's not really in character. Assuming she knows nothing about him, why wouldn't she use her normal tactics and use her melee weapons?

@jedixman:

Can't she just shoot him?

Danny can dodge at least one bullet, and that's all she can fire before he closes the distance.

Moderator
Avatar image for nickzambuto
#12 Edited by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:
@nickzambuto said:
@jedixman said:
@nickzambuto said:

Danny R1, reasoning should be fairly self evident. But I'd actually pick Widow in R2. With the way she was able to outsmart Winter Soldier multiple times, I see her cunning as prevailing versus Danny's inexperience.

Would Nat be able to outsmart him within 10 ft? She outsmarted Bucky by tricking and ambushing him, but that wouldn't work in a straight fight - especially one where they start in close proximity.

The moment the battle starts she can literally turn around and run away and force Danny to chase after her, since he literally has to be within makeout-distance just to do something. Not something you typically see in action fights, and it might be a little awkward, but she has the option, lol

Sure, but it's not really in character. Assuming she knows nothing about him, why wouldn't she use her normal tactics and use her melee weapons?

She ran away from Hawkeye and came back with a sneak attack, and spent the whole Winter Soldier fight running away and coming back with sneak attacks. The fight will probably open with her drawing her pistols, and if Danny can really dodge duel fire from a great (not amazing) marksman while closing the distance, her weapons will give her enough of an advantage to survive in melee combat, giving her the chance to pull back and try a different approach.

Avatar image for sy8000
#13 Posted by Sy8000 (35508 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist round 1. Round 2 I don't know...his avoidance against projectiles is so dodgy and his fighting style clearly isn't geared toward being hard to tag (blame choreography, but still).

Avatar image for jedixman
#14 Posted by JediXMan (42744 posts) - - Show Bio

She ran away from Hawkeye and came back with a sneak attack, and spent the whole Winter Soldier fight running away and coming back with sneak attacks. The fight will probably open with her drawing her pistols, and if Danny can really dodge duel fire from a great (not amazing) marksman while closing the distance, her weapons will give her enough of an advantage to survive in melee combat, giving her the chance to pull back and try a different approach.

And that sneak attack involved Black Widow engaging Hawkeye in melee. What's to say she wouldn't do the same to Danny?

Most of this relies on her knowing that Danny is dangerous in melee, which she wouldn't. Standard morals usually involves attacking in h2h or using melee gear, like batons or wires.

I agree that if Natasha realizes the dire situation she's in and if she manages to run away, she wins. But otherwise...

Moderator
Avatar image for nickzambuto
#15 Edited by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:
@nickzambuto said:

She ran away from Hawkeye and came back with a sneak attack, and spent the whole Winter Soldier fight running away and coming back with sneak attacks. The fight will probably open with her drawing her pistols, and if Danny can really dodge duel fire from a great (not amazing) marksman while closing the distance, her weapons will give her enough of an advantage to survive in melee combat, giving her the chance to pull back and try a different approach.

And that sneak attack involved Black Widow engaging Hawkeye in melee. What's to say she wouldn't do the same to Danny?

Most of this relies on her knowing that Danny is dangerous in melee, which she wouldn't. Standard morals usually involves attacking in h2h or using melee gear, like batons or wires.

I agree that if Natasha realizes the dire situation she's in and if she manages to run away, she wins. But otherwise...

I think there is reasoning behind her engaging Hawkeye in melee that does not apply to the situation with Danny. For one thing, Widow was completely empty-handed against Hawkeye, the Helecarrier went up when everyone was on downtime, and if she happened to be carrying anything on her, she lost it when she was running from Hulk. Secondly, Widow's goal against Hawkeye was different than it is against Iron Fist. Against Hawkeye, her goal was to rescue her friend from mind control. Not kill him, or seriously injure him. Against Danny, her only goal is to win. She can go about doing that in whatever way is most efficient. Finally, as somebody who worked closely with Hawkeye for a number of years, Widow probably estimated that she could outfight him and the only real threat was that bow. Her tactics against Hawkeye were polar opposite to the ideal tactics against Iron Fist; her tactics against Hawkeye were stay as close as possible, all the time. Against Iron Fist, who she can blatantly guess just from the look of him (charging her empty-handed) is a CQC specialist, she would be less inclined to utilize those same tactics, and might be more inclined to fight like she did versus Winter Soldier. Even if you disagree and think Widow has a particular penchant for going hand-to-hand, I said above that I believe her incredible weaponry will allow her to survive in CQC long enough to say "Okay this isn't going to work. I have to try something else."

With all this in mind, I feel like it takes a lot more assumptions going in Danny's favor (not only assuming he is Widow's definite CQC superior, but also assuming he can't be shot, and assuming Widow will never have the brains to realize fist fighting isn't her advantage, even though she already came to such a conclusion when fighting Bucky and adapted accordingly) for him to win, than it takes for Widow to win (the only assumption we need to make is that Danny can't dodge duel fire from a great marksman while simultaneously closing the distance, and if that's too much of an assumption for you, all we need to assume is that Widow will come to the same realization and apply the same tactics as she already did when she fought Bucky)

Avatar image for deactivated-5a220d15cc740
#16 Posted by deactivated-5a220d15cc740 (2527 posts) - - Show Bio

R1: Danny. Better h2h fighter.

R2: Natasha. Better gear.

Nobody stomps.

Avatar image for penguinofsteel
#17 Edited by Penguinofsteel (303 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Danny

Round 2: Natasha

Avatar image for nw52
#18 Posted by Nw52 (166 posts) - - Show Bio

Fist

Avatar image for angeljax
#19 Posted by AngelJax (11765 posts) - - Show Bio

@nw52 said:

Fist

Both rounds? Any reasons?

Avatar image for jedixman
#20 Posted by JediXMan (42744 posts) - - Show Bio

With all this in mind, I feel like it takes a lot more assumptions going in Danny's favor (not only assuming he is Widow's definite CQC superior

You think that Danny's h2h superiority over Widow is uncertain?

Moderator
Avatar image for nickzambuto
#21 Posted by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:
@nickzambuto said:

With all this in mind, I feel like it takes a lot more assumptions going in Danny's favor (not only assuming he is Widow's definite CQC superior

You think that Danny's h2h superiority over Widow is uncertain?

No, in my opinion he's more skilled, but it is an assumption. My point was that saying Danny wins requires more benefit of the doubt than saying Widow wins.

Avatar image for cramandman
#22 Posted by CramAndman (1665 posts) - - Show Bio

Rd 1: Danny, he's too evasive for her and he's probably faster, stronger, and more skilled.

Rd 2: Widow if she can use her guns. If she's only using her stun Batons, I'd give it to Danny.

Avatar image for angeljax
#23 Posted by AngelJax (11765 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

Avatar image for paytience
#24 Posted by Paytience (5026 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow stomps both rds.

Avatar image for captainme
#25 Posted by CaptainMe (93 posts) - - Show Bio

Hand to Hand, both are outstanding. He has power on his side. She has agility and smarts on her side. What can mess him up is his "fare fight" mindset. She is a survivor. What can mess her up is underestimating her opponents. I hate to say this because Widow is my favorite fighter, but I give hand to hand to Iron Fist.

Weapons/Gear: Black Widow takes this one.

Avatar image for webinyoureye11
#26 Posted by webinyoureye11 (5762 posts) - - Show Bio

Taking into consideration Danny's showing against the BONS ...

No Caption Provided

... and Natasha's flirtatious nature, it's 50/50 between Danny bustin his nut, or Natasha bustin it for him

No Caption Provided

Avatar image for dstreet45
#27 Edited by DSTREET45 (5281 posts) - - Show Bio

Danny both rounds. Better H2H fighter so he can beat her in that round.

And zen mode in round 2? I don't see how Natasha's gear is going to effect the fight seeing as she's going to be moving in slow motion from his perspective. Natasha gets Iron Fisted.

Avatar image for angeljax
#28 Posted by AngelJax (11765 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

Avatar image for wewlad80
#29 Posted by Wewlad80 (3411 posts) - - Show Bio

Natasha both rounds

Avatar image for dstreet45
#30 Posted by DSTREET45 (5281 posts) - - Show Bio

Danny both rounds. Better H2H fighter so he can beat her in that round.

And zen mode in round 2? I don't see how Natasha's gear is going to effect the fight seeing as she's going to be moving in slow motion from his perspective. Natasha gets Iron Fisted.

Avatar image for keenko
#31 Posted by Keenko (5187 posts) - - Show Bio

IF both rounds imo

Avatar image for rogueshadow
#32 Posted by rogueshadow (29379 posts) - - Show Bio

@dstreet45 said:

Danny both rounds. Better H2H fighter so he can beat her in that round.

And zen mode in round 2? I don't see how Natasha's gear is going to effect the fight seeing as she's going to be moving in slow motion from his perspective. Natasha gets Iron Fisted.

Moderator
Avatar image for playerx-tr
#33 Posted by playerx-tr (650 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist

Avatar image for JBobGlass
#34 Edited by JBob (373 posts) - - Show Bio

10/10 Iron fist: probably the best h2h fighter in the MCU right now. only rivaled maybe by cap and iron man with his suit tracking his patterns, even then his pure h2h is still probably better.

7-8/10 Black Widow: takes round 2 due to the fact that she definitely is very highly skilled plus her skill with tech weapons. she could use her athleticism and acrobatics to ensnare danny into a trap and taze the hell out of him. He can definitely still put her down with no problem if he gets a hit on her, but she is pretty tactical and he is naive so im leaning widow.

Danny "can" use chi doesnt give me much confidence. he could technically use his chi the whole show but didnt due in part to his own mental state. if this specified perfectly zen danny, not just danny having the ability to tap into his chi than id lean towards danny in both rounds.

Avatar image for jaqua524
#35 Posted by jaqua524 (92 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto:

She was rendered irrelevant every time she fought him

Avatar image for angeljax
#36 Posted by AngelJax (11765 posts) - - Show Bio

Post-Defenders bump

Avatar image for deactivated-5a89ca5697052
#37 Edited by deactivated-5a89ca5697052 (8063 posts) - - Show Bio

Still this.

Round 1: Danny handily.

Round 2: Natasha shoots him.

Avatar image for rbt
#38 Posted by RBT (28645 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

Danny takes R1. R2 is a toss up. Both can one shot the other. In character, Nat should take a majority.

Avatar image for amendment50
#39 Posted by Amendment50 (15480 posts) - - Show Bio

Danny R1. Widow R2.

Avatar image for angeljax
#40 Posted by AngelJax (11765 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone else?

Avatar image for arcus1
#41 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably Danny both rounds, with round 2 being much closer, as everyone else has said. If Widow manages to avoid engaging him in close quarters, she'd be more likely to win, but idk how likely that is

Avatar image for dstreet45
#42 Posted by DSTREET45 (5281 posts) - - Show Bio

Danny both rounds. Better H2H fighter so he can beat her in that round.

And zen mode in round 2? I don't see how Natasha's gear is going to effect the fight seeing as she's going to be moving in slow motion from his perspective. Natasha gets Iron Fisted.

Avatar image for anthp2000
#43 Posted by ANTHP2000 (27951 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow wins at least r2.

And she's underrated.

Avatar image for void-viper
#44 Posted by Void-Viper (154 posts) - - Show Bio

Danny wins both rounds.

Avatar image for thunderprince
#45 Posted by ThunderPrince (7097 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow wins at least r2.

And she's underrated.

Avatar image for angeljax
#46 Posted by AngelJax (11765 posts) - - Show Bio
Avatar image for dstreet45
#47 Posted by DSTREET45 (5281 posts) - - Show Bio

@dstreet45 said:

Danny both rounds. Better H2H fighter so he can beat her in that round.

And zen mode in round 2? I don't see how Natasha's gear is going to affect the fight seeing as she's going to be moving in slow motion from his perspective. Natasha gets Iron Fisted.

Avatar image for the_magister
#48 Posted by The_Magister (14315 posts) - - Show Bio

@angeljax: I always preach that Widow is heavily underrated on site. Danny should take Round 1 in a great exchange.

As for Round 2, I give it to Widow. Her experience and intelligence far exceed that of Danny.

Avatar image for eto
#49 Posted by Eto (5315 posts) - - Show Bio

Shouldn't he win both rounds?

Avatar image for angeljax
#50 Edited by AngelJax (11765 posts) - - Show Bio

Post Infinity War Bump