MCU Ikarus vs Composite Live Action Spider-Man

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#1  Edited By webinyoureye11
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Composite Live-Action Spider-Man with the best attributes of each Spider-Man merged, wearing the Iron Spider armor:

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Ikarus

Conditions:

  • Flight and Heat Vision restricted
  • Speed equalized
  • No bullrush
  • No BFR

Fight Takes Place in the city of Babylon

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Ikaris is still too durable for Composite Spiderman dude is eating mhs punches from marrakari and was unhurt.

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#3 frozen  Moderator

@lgh0stl said:

Ikaris is still too durable for Composite Spiderman dude is eating mhs punches from marrakari and was unhurt.

With comp feats, Spider-Man is pretty durable. Took a slam from Thanos (who is >>> Makkari) and hits from Sandman, which calc to 10,000 tons of force.

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Spider-man also took the raw electricity of an entire city iirc.

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Ikaris Lolstomps.

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#7  Edited By krisbishop  Moderator

Flight and Heat Vision restricted

Speed equalized

No bullrush

Why even use Ikaris then?

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Flight and Heat Vision restricted

Speed equalized

No bullrush

Why even use Ikaris then?

So ikaris needs flight & heat vision to beat spider-man? How are there threads with ikaris vs actual high tiers then lol

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Flight, heat vision and BFR restricted?

Spider-man webs him up completely incapping him since he couldnt overpower a deviant that couldn't life a metal tree.

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#11 krisbishop  Moderator

So ikaris needs flight & heat vision to beat spider-man? How are there threads with ikaris vs actual high tiers then lol

No, but it's just funny to use a character in a thread and restrict most of his abilities.

It's like using Spider-Man in a thread and restricting him from using webs, Spider-Sense, any suit capabilities, etc.

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His bullrush should be relative to his base striking meaning Spider-Man still gets pasted, assuming speed equalized doesn't amp Spider-Man's AP or downgrade Ikaris's.

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Peter gets sent into the Sun

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#14 frozen  Moderator

Peter gets sent into the Sun

OP says no BFR.

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#15  Edited By Pandalumina
@frozen said:
@pandalumina said:

Peter gets sent into the Sun

OP says no BFR.

Then he beam spams them to death while flying

Or buries him into a mountain

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Ikaris stomps

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#17 frozen  Moderator

@frozen said:
@pandalumina said:

Peter gets sent into the Sun

OP says no BFR.

Then beam spams them to death while flying

Or buries him into a mountain

It also said no beams or flight lol.

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@frozen said:
@pandalumina said:
@frozen said:
@pandalumina said:

Peter gets sent into the Sun

OP says no BFR.

Then beam spams them to death while flying

Or buries him into a mountain

It also said no beams or flight lol.

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@akz said:
@kryptonianking88 said:

His bullrush should be relative to his base striking meaning Spider-Man still gets pasted, assuming speed equalized doesn't amp Spider-Man's AP or downgrade Ikaris's.

In what way?

MCU characters generally don't jump several tiers with a standard bullrush

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@akz: CM can't oneshot Thanos with a bullrush, but base striking can still bruise him.

Thor can't oneshot Malekith with bullrush, base strikes can still hurt him.

Iron Man can draw blood from Thanos with a punch, but a bullrush doesn't break his ribs.

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At best it's like 2-3x harder than your standard punch, nowhere the exponential jump from building class to island class which is what you'd have to argue for Spider-Man to not get pasted here.

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#24  Edited By heiqn

Ikaris can bully him from air.

He can't no-sell these laser beams forever.

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#25 frozen  Moderator

@heiqn said:

Ikaris can bully him from air.

He can't no-sell these laser beams forever.

OP says no lasers and flight.

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@akz:

Where are the feats for him punching in Island class?

That's what we're arguing here. If punches are relative to bullrushes then he doesn't need island class punching feats.

You agree he couldn’t he couldn’t severely hurt Deviants with punches? Following iffy, inconsistent logic from other characters won’t help apply for Ikaris.

A bullrush doesn't oneshot a deviant, now I haven't seen the film but unless the deviant doesn't even notice his punch then the same logic would apply here. And how is it iffy or inconsistent? Here's a few more off the top of my head:

Hulk's punches can slightly crack Surtur's crown, but a bullrush doesn't bust a large portion.

Thor's blitz on Hulk and punches both only stagger him.

Thor shrugs off Captain Marvel's punches and a bullrush

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It's far more consistent than a character jumping tiers just by momentum.

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#27  Edited By heiqn
@frozen said:
@heiqn said:

Ikaris can bully him from air.

He can't no-sell these laser beams forever.

OP says no lasers and flight.

Totally my bad.

OT = Peter should win, Equalized speed + Spider senses are too much. Spider can hurt Thanos with his kicks, so he can hurt Ikaris too.

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@webinyoureye11 said:

So ikaris needs flight & heat vision to beat spider-man? How are there threads with ikaris vs actual high tiers then lol

No, but it's just funny to use a character in a thread and restrict most of his abilities.

It's like using Spider-Man in a thread and restricting him from using webs, Spider-Sense, any suit capabilities, etc.

The point was to argue who'd win between a more visceral fight between them. I put speed equalized on to handicap Spider-Man as well since with Garfield's feats he's obviously miles faster in combat.

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@akz:

So he just gets it by default via backwards logic

It's a safer bet. If every MCU character has shown that their punches are relative to bullrushes, then I'm not gonna assume Ikaris for some reason goes from wall/building etc to island with a bullrush.

Those were his casual bullrushes with not nearly as much speed and power behind em as he did the Cloud dispersal, other Eternals were also being hurt by waaaaaay less than Island level things and could tank punch after punch from him.

Why would he pack any less power when his friend is about to die? I haven't seen the film so I'm gonna need specific examples for the deviant scaling

It’s iffy just due to the fact that you think a full-body moving at full speed would be equivalent to a much smaller volume of that body at slower speeds.

Comparable or relative, not equivalent. Post #22 I even say it's about a 2-3x difference in power. Speed is obviously gonna amp them a bit, but the idea that they get a million times stronger with speed is just absurd.

Not really consistent at all via logic. Bad examples too since the force applied in the hits is in a spread our volume through bullrushes but not with the punches. Capt Marvel could destroy the entire Sanctuary with a bullrush but can’t replicate anything close on ground as they presented in EG.

Not consistent? Give me a counterexample.

I have no idea what you're trying to say in the first half, but lack of environmental damage is just common PIS that happens for nearly every high tier in existence. I don't even read comics and I could find you scans of Hulk, Thor, etc, doing room level damage.

Also doesn't her best feat come from cracking Xandar's core, a byproduct of the force she was hitting Ultron with?

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With the Garfield wank I’m surprised y’all didn’t say he doesn’t blitz

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With the Garfield wank I’m surprised y’all didn’t say he doesn’t blitz

speed is equalized. Otherwise he would

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#37  Edited By CosmicUni

Ikaris is so much more skill, those conditions is just them doing a h2h fights. I still don't know how composite Spidey could harm Ikaris. Even if iron spider has those tentacles, those could not overpowered dozens outriders.

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Spider-Man would beat an Ikaris with flight and HV let alone one without.

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Spidey

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#40 death4bunnies  Moderator

Spider-Man would beat an Ikaris with flight and HV let alone one without.

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Ikaris is impossible to scale.

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Man who flew through the corona of the sun without a scratch

vs

Iron Boy Jr who barely beat Mysterio

Hmm tough one

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#43 frozen  Moderator

Spider-Man slams the overrated mid tier.

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#44  Edited By macattack1

@frozen: flying through the suns atmosphere unharmed, island sized shockwaves from bullrush, tanking MHS strikes repeatedly without a scratch, catching a MHS character mid bullrush, casually busting through a large ship that can no-sell reentry and close proximity to the sun, these are > mid-tier in live action.

OT: Ikaris was an Eternals team-buster, and they are pretty impressive team all things considered. Spider-man cannot hurt him, he is way beyond Spider-man’s paygrade.

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Comp LA Spider-Man slams a lot of high tiers

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Comp LA Spider-Man slams a lot of high tiers

What does the composite effect really give him? He is just slightly stronger than any individual LA Spider-Man. They all have feats around the same level.

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#47  Edited By rajjarsalt

@kryptonianking88 said:

Comp LA Spider-Man slams a lot of high tiers

What does the composite effect really give him? He is just slightly stronger than any individual LA Spider-Man. They all have feats around the same level.

Power of the sun, palm of my hand.

Holland tanked

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#48 death4bunnies  Moderator

@kryptonianking88 said:

Comp LA Spider-Man slams a lot of high tiers

What does the composite effect really give him? He is just slightly stronger than any individual LA Spider-Man. They all have feats around the same level.

The nano tech suit and spider arms that stab are nice.

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OT: Spidey.

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Ikaris one-shot