MCU Hulk VS DCEU Faora

@drpepperman: Thor is mid tier? Is that why he was beating hulk with no mjolnir? I'm not trying to low ball hulk's speed. You've shown me one instance where he seems fast (and even then not as fast as faora) but in almost every other appearance he shows no real exceptional speed. You act like hulk goes around fighting really quickly when that's just not how he fights.
It's fine that it's a feat for thor but what I am saying is give me a reason that faora can't replicate that feat. She is faster than thor and arguably hits harder.

@maestromage: not my point.

Because of Hulk's feats himself. Faora did nothing in Smallville that was impressive except outspeed Superman and "dodge" bullets.

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Right nothing impressive besides koing a Superman who already had better durability feats than Hulk and outclassing him in h2h and speed multiple times.

FAORA SMASH.

@batman242:

@drpepperman: Okay? So he took a bunch of force that was dispersed to the areas that didn't hurt him during the skyscraper fall, and then Hulkbuster hit him in the one spot that counted. Unless... Hulkbuster hits with at least 100,000 tons (less than half the weight of a skyscraper) of force...? Aka, Hulkbuster is 50x stronger than Hulk's Leviathan feat, which I don't believe at all.

While denting that vibranium alloy is impressive, the fact is is that they likely had to make it an alloy because they didn't have enough material to work with. So now you have metal that's spread out in a thinner layer, all over every surface of a room. Less force than quintillion figures have been needed to overwhelm vibranium in the comics, and I doubt that the MCU version is seriously going to derivate from that. The vibranium is even weaker in its alloy state now. Hulk moving Surter is also a weak analogy, as Hulk had a few miles to accelerate and landed with his whole body weight, so the values in the F = ma calculation are much higher than a regular, grounded strike with only his arm. Plus, initial reaction to getting hit is to move your face away (even after the hit already landed), so it's unlikely that Surtur's head moved solely because of that attack.

The RPG fired at Abomination had to travel all the way down the street, and rockets do not reach their top speed for a few seconds. The initial muzzle velocity of most launcher weapons is 130 m/s, which is faster than 400 fps, but the distance leaves more reaction time as opposed to Superman lunging at Faora from 10 feet away. Seriously, dodging something that fast is insane. And again, Superman's 400 fps speed is only a minimum amount of speed for him blinking out of the shot, it's very very possible that he went faster than an RPG's TOP speed of 300 m/s, since let's face it, it's Superman. That's actually extremely likely because Superman blinked out of the shot when he started moving, so 400 fps + had to be his INITIAL speed. Unless he traveled at a constant rate, he was accelerating past that in the distance he went. But, just because Abomination caught a rocket from far away does not necessarily mean that Hulk's average striking speed should get a buff. Just because Abomination caught a rocket, Hulk is throwing punches that exceed 130m/s all the time? I think we can agree that he wasn't punching that fast in Ragnarok... right? Otherwise, basically we have to go through every movie and scale up the speed of the fights because now Thor can dodge faster than 130m/s, so now Iron Man can since they fought, and now Cap since those two fought... Let's not go there.

Faora. Much better strenght and durability feats and overall superior.

Lol at ManOnTheMountain thnking he's still right about anything not concerning Clark or Doomsday vs MCU high tiers.

Hulk would win. Faora took on a much weaker Superman than the one we get later on who was also holding back. Hulk is much stronger and too durable and would break her armor eventually.

@flashfyr: it's still a better durability feat than anything faora hit out. Lol at using hulkbuster to lowball.

There's a calculation in hulks CV respect thread by Superhero24. Hulk even WITHOUT acceleration would need bare minimum tens of thousands of force to hit hard enough to move THAT with it. Surtur was charging at hulk and no sold his non accelerated hits, he didn't move himself.

Thor was weakend against Tony.

@drpepperman: How is that a better durability feat? If we do the math, it took 13 seconds for them to smash through the building. Let's assume that the building is an average 600 meters, and that Hulkbuster weighs 2000 lbs (since he's bigger and made of metal) whereas Hulk is 1,125 for a total of 3,125 for their fall.

F = d (mv) / dt

V = d/t

V = 600m / 13s

V = 46 m/s

F = 600m (1,417kg x 46m/s) / 600m x 13s

F = 600m (65,812 (kg/m)/s) / 7800m/s

F = 39,487,200 (kg/m^2)/s / 7800 m/s

F = 5062 kg/m

F = 49,641 Newtons/m

F = 11,159 lbs of force, or 5 and a half tons

If you check my last calculation on Superman tackling Faora, these hits are almost the same. Superman actually hit Faora harder because he was traveling fast enough to compensate for the massive difference in weight (1,200 mph vs 102mph here). I have no idea what your response is to that Surtur part though.

K, so now Thor is going to fight someone in a future movie and THEN we'll have the spread of having to scale characters up. Or we can just agree that Hulk doesn't seriously punch faster than the eye can see with each and every single one of his swings, just because he fought a guy who made one quick motion. That would be compositional error fallacy anyway.

It'd also be nice if you would refute the math instead of trying to make a qualitative argument, because I'm getting kind of sick of having to do time consuming calculations just because you go "Oh no Faora's durability isn't as good."

Hulk.

Hulk smash-es

Hulk could replicate anything Faora did as far as durability and strength, and hulk isn't massively slower either. Bruce wins easily.

@drpepperman: Yup. All he needs to do is grab hold of her leg and do some Loki smashes. Fight is over at that point.

He will not let go and she cannot break free.

Faora punches hard enough to hurt Superman, and is fast enough to blitz Hulk all day. I’m gonna have to go with her.

Speed: Hulk caught an RPG at point blank range which puts his reaction time at least close to that of Faora which should at least be able to keep him from being blitzed.

Striking: Hulk put a fist sized dent in Silicone Carbide Vibranium. Since Vibranium doesn't really exist I'll use Silicon Carbide Titanium as a substitute in my calculations. Silicon Carbide Titanium has compressive yield strength of about 500,000 pounds per square inch and Hulk's fist print looks to be about 50 square inches. With that you get a minimum punch force of 25,000,000 pounds or 125,000 tons. Keep in mind that I'm using Titanium alloy as a substitute and Vibranium should actually be much stronger.

Faora eventually.

Hulk.

Hulk with ease.

Faora - She’s way too fast for hulk

@ready_4_madness: Yup, always an anti-feat. Thanos isn’t faster, hulk is just slow. That must be it. Mcu lowball is always 100%

What an easy question. Faora easily

Lol to anybody who says hulk. Even speed equalized Faora destroys.

Hulk's extinction.

Faora curbstomps

Hulk smashes Faora.

Hulk's reward is a good death.

Faora for the win.

Hulk can't really beat faora, Clark couldn't even beat her and he's vastly above hulk and that was her holding back

@dre_savage : @socajunkie : HULK stomp she cannot touch him.

Lmao

Hulk smashes.

@DammeFavour: You mean MOS Superman who up until that point had never been in a fight before? Lol Superman would have demolished her at the end of the film not to mention his appearances in BVS and JL.

OT: Hulk and it will always be Hulk. Faora lacks any good striking feats and doesn't have the durability to survive Hulk's punches. Also who cares about speed if you can't hurt your opponent?

@darthvaderrocks: lol....yes the superman that can fall from orbit without any damage, punch hard enough to derail 500 tons from a distance and was already supersonic, he was already way above hulk. Lol....uh no, the superman at the end of the movie is the same superman that fought zod, barely hours apart, he would still get stomped by faora.

Faora tanked all of superman's punches without any damage, can punch hard enough to actually hurt Clark and move fast enough that even Clark couldn't even track her, how the hell is hulk touching her much less winning this?

So let's see, superman punches way harder than hulk, still couldn't hurt faora, is astronomically faster than hulk, and could punch hard enough to hurt him in the i-hop, she even overpowered him in the same scene. Superman being inexperienced at that point is irrelevant, he was way above hulk by then and more importantly, intelligent as opposed to hulk

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Faora.

We have seen that you can beat the Hulk by simply beating him up like Thanos did to him.

Faora can keep blitzing him till he is KO'd but killing him will be hard.

Faora

Faora, too fast

Faora still wins, how is this even debatable lol.

@macleen: @rampagethefirst: @lan_fan: Look HULK already win

@DammeFavour: Couple things wrong with your comment.

1. That orbit feat came at the end of the film where Superman showed his most impressive feats, in the Smallville fight all his combat feats were him just ramming people into things.

2. Um no, the Superman at the end of the film is significantly stronger than the Superman in the beginning of the film. To deny this is dumb.

3. Faora never once got punched by Superman, watch the fight again. All she did was get rammed into things by him. Faora also never hurt Superman in any capacity. Her punching him in that Denny's or whatever did nothing to him. Her even throwing him into that bank also did nothing to him.

How is Faora even hurting Hulk? Her punches are weak and you can't scale them to Superman or Zod's. Faora gets punched by Hulk 3 times and she's done. Also Superman was tracking Faora she just was hitting him faster than he could hit her, because that's usually how people win fights. You seem confused about what tracking someone actually means in a fight.

4. Again Superman never punched Faora and he was never hurt by Faora's weak sauce punches. And yes, when you are inexperienced you fail to know how to properly fight people. Superman was completely new at using his powers in a fight combat situation. This is just a fact.

Hulk still. Been done. Will still be the same result. Faora will always lose.