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#1 Posted by kalder_ridley (1889 posts) - - Show Bio

random encounter. fight takes place in nyc

who wins?

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#3 Posted by kalder_ridley (1889 posts) - - Show Bio
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#4 Edited by Lvenger (36181 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm assuming Thor is allowed Ragnarok feats as well?

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#5 Edited by Thorthunder98 (6338 posts) - - Show Bio

Not sure, I'd back the team if he had Mjolnir, but not sure about without Mjolnir.

I feel like the two of them could overwhelm Zod eventually and we've seen Supes get knocked out for a bit by Faora before didn't we? And these two hit harder than her Zod's durability would be pretty much the same as Supes too.

Either way it's a hell of a fight, though I am 100% sure after I comment the Zod stomps crew will come through.

EDIT: Some reason I thought this was Supes, but as it's Zod I'd back the team in a very tough fight.

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#6 Posted by ThunderPrince (6801 posts) - - Show Bio
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#7 Posted by DammeFavour (8051 posts) - - Show Bio

Zod beats them down hard

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#8 Posted by kalder_ridley (1889 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: yes, both Thor and Hulk from Ragnarok

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#9 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7075 posts) - - Show Bio

Still zod.

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#10 Posted by Stimul (1114 posts) - - Show Bio

Team stomps.

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#11 Posted by tj850 (455 posts) - - Show Bio

Adapted Zod stomps

Thor solos if he gets Mjolnir, ragnarok feats and Zod hasnt adapted.

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#12 Posted by deactivated-5a35e2edd9c28 (1031 posts) - - Show Bio

@stimul: Team is not stomping. Zod with his mastered abilities is definitely above hulk but thor makes this a close fight.

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#13 Posted by deactivated-5a35e2edd9c28 (1031 posts) - - Show Bio

@thorthunder98: Hulk is the weak link here. I feel zod with his mastered abilities is far too much for hulk to handle, but thor definitely evens things out.

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#14 Posted by DrPepperMan (6145 posts) - - Show Bio

Team easily.

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#15 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7075 posts) - - Show Bio
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#16 Posted by DrPepperMan (6145 posts) - - Show Bio

@plotweapon16255: explain how zod is taking down two skyscraper+ busters. Explain how zod will survive getting Ragdolled into a lightning strike, then proceeds to get kicked into the ground. Thor has shown to be at least kryptonian level and hulk is on par with him.

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#17 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7075 posts) - - Show Bio

@drpepperman: Zod feats - pushed a satellite from orbit to ground in seconds , supersonic punch superman landed superman above the building , reacted to supersonic punch at point blank, (including superman feats coz of physiology advantage like surviving nuclear explosion , doomsday's electric blast , etc).

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Both hulk and thor is no where near kryptonian level strength, strike power , durability and speed.

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#18 Posted by DrPepperMan (6145 posts) - - Show Bio

@plotweapon16255: I don't remember that satellite one, which scene did it happen in?

The rest is speed (his only true advantage) and superman did that stuff in BVS (nuke nearly killed him despite how the conditions should have made the nuke weaker and he didn't take the heat from it, DD did)

Now: hulk has caused mini earthquakes with his blows and (when weaker) made a large gap in the ground from a few meters away before abomination could complete a full step (AB was above the speed of sound and easily above a thousand pounds.) Has the Thunderclap to be a small distraction. Has SPOILER (an amazing healing factor) if the person wasn't lying, can throw stuff meters away and destroy two cars, make thor bleed with a punch, stopped the Leviathan, dented silicon carbide vibranium or something like that, dragged a Leviathan, Ragdolls loki, tanked the hammer I can't spell, and more.

Thor is more powerful than ever before: he borderline one shot hulk who tanked his hammer almost a decade prior, can produce lightning much stronger than he ever did with his hammer, stopped hulk's fist with one hand then held it with two, etc.

In short, the best feat so far in terms of durability for Zod IIRC is tanking that attack that created the massive crater in the building, which wouldn't mean anything to the combined work of hulk and thor. Because of this, he won't get many shots in, and the ones he does won't do SIGNIFICANT damage, or enough to matter. His speed can give him some wins, but the team takes an 8/10. The others are BFR and speed overwhelming.

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#19 Posted by Batman242 (11258 posts) - - Show Bio

@drpepperman: Zod feats - pushed a satellite from orbit to ground in seconds , supersonic punch superman landed superman above the building , reacted to supersonic punch at point blank, (including superman feats coz of physiology advantage like surviving nuclear explosion , doomsday's electric blast , etc).

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Both hulk and thor is no where near kryptonian level strength, strike power , durability and speed.

He didn't push it in seconds, it was a skip in scenes.

He however did need to overcome it's force to move it. In order for satellites to orbit the Earth and not just come plummeting down, they need to go fast enough to beat the gravitational pull. The speed they need to move at is at least 7,000MPH (Mach 9) and up to 17,000MPH (Mach 22).

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#20 Posted by killraven4334 (1161 posts) - - Show Bio

Ragnarok didn't give any real impressive feats to thor. Truthfully it only solidified Thor without mjolnir and put him squarely above the hulk. Hulk didn't get any new feats, as his fights were against featless beings are people he already fought. Thor has more feats to draw on but overall nothing remarkable and certainly nothing more than thor has shown in other movies

Man of Steel still has the most impressive displays of power, thor would win easily if Zod was grounded and slower, but he's just too versatile to be beaten by thor without mjolnir and the hulk is simply outclassed

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#21 Posted by SupremeGeneration (10660 posts) - - Show Bio

@drpepperman: When did Thor borderline one-shot Hulk? He hit him twice with the lightning and Hulk got up in seconds afterwards.

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#22 Posted by DrPepperMan (6145 posts) - - Show Bio
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#24 Posted by Aatroxxx (1593 posts) - - Show Bio

Zod

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#25 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7075 posts) - - Show Bio

@batman242: technically he kicked it twice.

I don't think it was a skip scene since superman already shown his flight speed of above mach 900 by traveling from Indian ocean to metropolis (half way around the world ) in 60 seconds.

Considering the satellite and Kryptonians re-entering at same speed it's definitely way above hypersonic speed.

https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/BGH/hihyper.html

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#26 Posted by Batman242 (11258 posts) - - Show Bio

@batman242: technically he kicked it twice.

I don't think it was a skip scene since superman already shown his flight speed of above mach 900 by traveling from Indian ocean to metropolis (half way around the world ) in 60 seconds.

Considering the satellite and Kryptonians re-entering at same speed it's definitely way above hypersonic speed.

https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/BGH/hihyper.html

What?

Clark would've made it there in about 10-20 minutes. Clark is around Mach 24, more or less.

Re-entry speed is Mach 22.

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#27 Posted by The_Magister (13075 posts) - - Show Bio
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#28 Edited by plotweapon16255 (7075 posts) - - Show Bio

@batman242:

"Clark would've made it there in about 10-20 minutes. Clark is around Mach 24, more or less."

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7SzdEiN976Y

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kC-43BBvWGI

-at 2:26 Lois moves from cockpit (first video) reaches the cargo bay at 0:05 (second video) which is a about 25 seconds where weakened superman gets exposed to sunlight.

- so superman was at Indian ocean at the beginning of second video and reached metropolis in 30 seconds.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzjb_Rsf7MA

- as per video screen both world engine were on either side of the earth which makes the distance of 20000 kms.

Taking into account of few cut scene the time taken would be around 60 seconds.

So traveling 20000 kms in 60 seconds is would give us mach 980 exactly.

"Re-entry speed is Mach 22."

https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/BGH/hihyper.html

Based on NASA's data it's above mach 25.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OMKsuA4Bi-c

Assuming that the satellite was at 2000 kms (1:40) and the satellite reached reentry altitude of 100 kms(1:49) in 9 seconds clearly proves they way beyond hypersonic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_Earth_orbit

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_entry

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#29 Edited by Greendevil (2669 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor solos, team stomps!

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#30 Posted by AsgardOwnsYou (44 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor can beat Zod on his own.

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#31 Edited by plotweapon16255 (7075 posts) - - Show Bio

@drpepperman: "I don't remember that satellite one, which scene did it happen in?"

-https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OMKsuA4Bi-c

1:40

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"The rest is speed (his only true advantage) "

- did you read any of this "pushed a satellite from orbit to ground in seconds , supersonic punch superman landed superman above the building "

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"superman did that stuff in BVS (nuke nearly killed him despite how the conditions should have made the nuke weaker and he didn't take the heat from it, DD did)"

- superman was already had cellular decay (kinda cancer) and running low on energy (sunlight) when he faced the nuke 'coz of kryptonite.

- he wasn't disintegrated by the force and temperature of the nuke is coz of kryptonian physiology despite being weakened.

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"hulk has caused mini earthquakes with his blows made a large gap in the ground from a few meters away before abomination could complete a full step (AB was above the speed of sound and easily above a thousand pounds.)"

-Still below Zod's punches that tossed superman above the building.

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"Has the Thunderclap to be a small distraction."

- useless.

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"Has SPOILER (an amazing healing factor) if the person wasn't lying, can throw stuff meters away and destroy two cars,"

- not even close to zod who casually pushed a lex corp container that would weight around hundred tons casually.

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"make thor bleed with a punch,"

- who got bruised by Ultron.

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" stopped the Leviathan,"

- Which is 200-300 ton.

- not even close to zod satellite feat.

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" dented silicon carbide vibranium or something like that,"

- stop making fan fiction.

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" dragged a Leviathan,"

- only thing it proves is that hulk is heavier than it usual flying load.

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"Ragdolls loki, "

- didn't even break concrete.

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"tanked the hammer I can't spell, and more."

- not even close to Zod's punches that tossed superman above the building.

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"Thor is more powerful than ever before: he borderline one shot hulk who tanked his hammer almost a decade prior,"

- who also got his tooth pulled out by hulk buster who is below zod.

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"can produce lightning much stronger than he ever did with his hammer,"

- superman took doomsday's electro blast which is multi block level.

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"stopped hulk's fist with one hand then held it with two, etc."

- and got nosebleed.

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"In short, the best feat so far in terms of durability for Zod IIRC is tanking that attack that created the massive crater in the building, which wouldn't mean anything to the combined work of hulk and thor."

- in short any kryptonian can take a 50 caliber , multi block level electro blast , bunker buster missile , survive nuke ,etc which is way better than hulk's and Thor's durability.

" Because of this, he won't get many shots in, and the ones he does won't do SIGNIFICANT damage, or enough to matter. His speed can give him some wins, but the team takes an 8/10. The others are BFR and speed overwhelming."

- zod was able to block Superman's supersonic and 636 ton punch clearly proves hulk's and Thor's attack wouldn't phase him.

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#32 Posted by theredhood44 (1093 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor solos if ragnorok feats apply

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#33 Posted by DrPepperMan (6145 posts) - - Show Bio

@plotweapon16255: 1. Some of what you said was DammeFavour logic. Definition: when someone has an impressive feat, you use a feat as a low showing despite the fact it's a feat for the other person (example is the ultron feat. That is a FEAT FOR ULTRON and not a low showing for thor.)

2. Alot of what you said actually isn't enough to put him on the duo's level. Their best feats:

Stopping a Leviathan, moving fast enough to get up and destroy ground while saying a catchphrase before a person faster than sound can take a step, tanking a 50 story fall/Thor's hammer to the face.

Destroying multiple leviathans, idk the best speed feat, coming out of a city bust unscathed but KOed and then falling into water from who knows how far up.

Knocking a satellite at above Mach speeds down to earth, trading supersonic blows, tanking blows from supes.

Together, the duo (especially if they fight at their best) would take it definitely.

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#34 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7075 posts) - - Show Bio

@drpepperman: Thor's durability sucks when it comes against heavy hitters which is so consistent , end of discussion

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Zod kicking the satellite puts him above 50,000 tonner which is more than enough to one shot both.

None of them can land a punch on zod who is capable of multiple FTS PUNCH at point blank.

So , zod wining is inevitable.

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#35 Posted by DrPepperMan (6145 posts) - - Show Bio

@plotweapon16255: still not an anti feat.

50,000 tons is an absolute outlier, show me something coming close to that from any kryptonian.

Lightning.

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#36 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7075 posts) - - Show Bio

@drpepperman: Thor's durability sucks , end of discussion.

Zod's satellite feat is as consistent as Hulk's Leviathan feat.

Superman took multi block level electro blast that didn't even phase him.

So , Zod still solos by blitzing.

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#37 Edited by DammeFavour (8051 posts) - - Show Bio

zod stomps hard, ragnarok didn't increase his stats and zod still remains faster, stronger and extremely more durable and the shards that stabbed thor, the asgardians and surtur were not exactly durable seeing as skurge obliterated them with an m16

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#38 Posted by Mutant1230 (6181 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor and Hulk should be able to win with some trouble.

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#39 Posted by blackknighting (408 posts) - - Show Bio

Zod. Watched the movie, Thor isn't very impressive and hulk was nerf.

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#40 Edited by destinyman75 (13350 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol @ those who are anti MCU claiming saw the movie didn't get upgrades lol Which everyone knows is not true. Anyway zod does make it a good fight but Team wins This

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#41 Posted by blackknighting (408 posts) - - Show Bio

@destinyman75:

He didn't get any major upgrades, he can now control his power without the hammer. The hammer was a conduit for his inner power, the only thing noticeable was the body lightning that was attacking hela's army.

Thor has less striking power without the hammer. Hela was able to overpower the revengers because she was getting an amp from being in Asgard, that's why they revive surtur. No Asgard no more Hela, Ragnarok profecy.

Hulk was nerf in the movie.

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#42 Posted by playerx-tr (592 posts) - - Show Bio

Zod is too fast for team. He wins by speedblitzing.

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#43 Edited by MarvelandDCfan24 (6820 posts) - - Show Bio

Zod pounds Hulk to paste and Thor is no threat

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#44 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (8897 posts) - - Show Bio

Team

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#45 Posted by Stimul (1114 posts) - - Show Bio

@playerx-tr: Zod was barely over mach 1. So he not going to speedblitzing Thor (who is able to casually deflect mach 2 Chitauri lasers) or Hulk (who casually catching ejector seat which moves at about 360m/s or over mach 1).

Zod is also significantly inferior in durability here (considering the fact what Iron man took down a skyscraper trying to take out Hulk and all it did was daze him, and the fact what Thor was survived city-bust) and he's striking power is less Hulk's striking (considering what Hulk is able to punch hard enough to sent 1000 pounds Ultron flying at the at least 500m-1km, and punch hard enough to overpower the momentum of a creature capable of fly through skyscrapers).

Actually i see Hulk has good chances to solo here... With Thor this will be stomp.

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#46 Posted by deltahuman (4947 posts) - - Show Bio

Zod wins with medium difficulty.

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#47 Posted by APEX_pretador (18944 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor wins, hulk loses

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#48 Edited by Batman242 (11258 posts) - - Show Bio

@stimul said:

@playerx-tr: Zod was barely over mach 1. So he not going to speedblitzing Thor (who is able to casually deflect mach 2 Chitauri lasers) or Hulk (who casually catching ejector seat which moves at about 360m/s or over mach 1).

Zod is also significantly inferior in durability here (considering the fact what Iron man took down a skyscraper trying to take out Hulk and all it did was daze him, and the fact what Thor was survived city-bust) and he's striking power is less Hulk's striking (considering what Hulk is able to punch hard enough to sent 1000 pounds Ultron flying at the at least 500m-1km, and punch hard enough to overpower the momentum of a creature capable of fly through skyscrapers).

Actually i see Hulk has good chances to solo here... With Thor this will be stomp.

Crashing into a building at mach 22 not good enough for you?

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#49 Posted by deactivated-5bb6a6f86dc65 (4972 posts) - - Show Bio

my boy's have got this

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#50 Posted by Helloman (26736 posts) - - Show Bio

The team wins.