MCU Hela vs. CW Superman/Martian Manhunter

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#1 Posted by GeorgeWBush (12637 posts) - - Show Bio

NO BFR

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#2 Posted by duffman92 (78 posts) - - Show Bio

She's invincible, she cannot be defeated, she survives as long as Asgard stands.
Thor's strongest attack didn't hurt her.
They cannot win.

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#3 Edited by RBT (29438 posts) - - Show Bio

Either could solo.

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#4 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7882 posts) - - Show Bio

Both can solo.

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#5 Posted by tj849 (8569 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

Either could solo.

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#6 Posted by deactivated-5a35e2edd9c28 (1031 posts) - - Show Bio
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#7 Posted by Sy8000 (35904 posts) - - Show Bio

Based on Kara’s high ends they should both be on a completely different tier than Hela...

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#8 Edited by FirestormFate1919 (6217 posts) - - Show Bio

Either of them can solo, I seriously don't understand why people were so impressed by Hela. She did very little apart from kill fodder Asgardians and abuse speed/skill against Thor.

Advantages for Superman and Martian Manhunter:

  • Vastly superior speed: Both exhibit high levels of super-speed, casually reacting to bullets and scaling to Kara having incredibly high mach feats, as well as being comparable to speedsters at certain points. Either one could blitz Hela, she'd be a statue
  • Vastly superior strength: Both are stronger than Kara, who has multiple million-plus ton feats. They would both absolutely manhandle her. They've even got much better striking feats.
  • Vastly superior durability: Both have comparable durability to Kara, who just tanked a country-busting explosion and has some other durability feats that also blow anything Hela has demonstrated out of the water. She doesn't have the feats to damage either of them.
  • Numbers: 2v1, difficult to overcome especially when both the two are more powerful
  • Heat-Vision/Martian-Vision: Superman's Heat-Vision is as hot as the surface of the sun, Hela can't tank that. We don't know how powerful John's vision is, but it was able to match Kara's at least in intensity if not necessarily heat.
  • Freeze-Breath: Superman's Freeze-Breath is capable of reaching Absolute Zero, Hela also can't tank that.
  • Telepathy: If Manhunter gets desperate enough, he could resort to TP, something Hela has no counter for.
  • Phasing: Another Manhunter ability that Hela really doesn't have much of an answer for.
  • Shape-Shifting/Invisibility: Won't really do much, but could be employed in certain areas.
  • Tactics: John has shown extensive tactical accumen during his leadership of the DEO.

Advantages for Hela:

  • Fighting Skills: Probably not very useful against opponents outside her speed bracket, especially since they aren't slouches themselves (John having lived 400 years and being one of Mars' best fighters).
  • Sword Thingies: They're sharp, but they have never faced this bracket of durability, and aren't fast enough to tag her opponents, who both have range on her.
  • Cool Hat

This just isn't close.

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#9 Posted by laflux (24735 posts) - - Show Bio

Based on Kara’s high ends they should both be on a completely different tier than Hela...

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#10 Edited by Mutant1230 (6871 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, Hela still stomps, outliers are still inconsistent, yaddi yaddi yadda

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#11 Posted by americanspeeddemon (7359 posts) - - Show Bio

@firestormfate1919: TBF Martian has a bad track record with piercing attacks. Hela has the mjolnir feat which is impressive strength and just shows her finger strength not even lifting strength. The Duo have consistently ben tagged by people much slower than Hela especially MMH. I think Hela can at least hold her own against either but she can't take both.

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#12 Posted by Bastets (256 posts) - - Show Bio

The wank for CW is beyond laughable. Hela should win if she isn't effected by TP attacks, if she is MMH would be okay as long as he could TP her, yet if she is withstand it then well like I said, she wins.

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#13 Posted by deltahuman (5011 posts) - - Show Bio

Either could Solo. Hela is just a fodder killing machine.

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#14 Posted by FirestormFate1919 (6217 posts) - - Show Bio

@firestormfate1919: TBF Martian has a bad track record with piercing attacks. Hela has the mjolnir feat which is impressive strength and just shows her finger strength not even lifting strength. The Duo have consistently ben tagged by people much slower than Hela especially MMH. I think Hela can at least hold her own against either but she can't take both.

Yeah, that's a very fair point on the piercing damage. I still think Manhunter would beat her between the phasing/speed and physical advantage though.

The Mjolnir feat was the one feat that really impressed me from Hela, I felt like apart from that she wasn't nearly as strong as people made her out to be. But even the Mjolnir feat is really hard to quantify, especially because of the familial magic aspect of Hela. It's hard to say if that's a strength feat or just magic similar to Odin's due to her connection, especially since her strength is never close to this level in any other showings. I tend to lean away from this feat for that reason.

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#15 Posted by tiraomoz (979 posts) - - Show Bio

Even with all the power level of the DCEU their movies are still inferior to MCU now that is compensation enough.

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#17 Edited by tiraomoz (979 posts) - - Show Bio

@DammeFavour: Im well aware of that but it's still the truth,what is the point of making the character very strong if the movie itself isn't good,that's just pure fan service,that is one of the many reasons I hated JL movie,stephenwolf was taking on the entire team (except superman) and then as soon as superman came the guy got ragdolled,then what was now the entire point stephenwolf might as well have been a villian in man of steel 2,if there will even be one.

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#18 Posted by ProteusXManRxis (4468 posts) - - Show Bio

Either solo.

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#19 Posted by the_rising_lord (87 posts) - - Show Bio

Hela slices them up

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#20 Posted by deactivated-5bdbf1dc6fdcc (2121 posts) - - Show Bio

John just solo brainwashes her or Cara solos also normally via speed, freezing breath and heat vision takes her down

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#21 Posted by SupremeGeneration (12266 posts) - - Show Bio
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#22 Posted by RBT (29438 posts) - - Show Bio

Either could solo.

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#23 Posted by RampageTheFirst (7921 posts) - - Show Bio

Either solo's with absolute ease.

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#24 Posted by Mutant1230 (6871 posts) - - Show Bio

Grumble who bumped this!?

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#25 Posted by yeimsick (679 posts) - - Show Bio

Either could solo

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#26 Posted by deactivated-5bdbf1dc6fdcc (2121 posts) - - Show Bio

@tiraomoz said:

Even with all the power level of the DCEU their movies are still inferior to MCU now that is compensation enough.

Superman tanking planet surface transmutaing magical blast is way above what hela has faced

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#27 Posted by SupremeGeneration (12266 posts) - - Show Bio

Clark solos, iffy on MMH since he’s been so benched so hard and feels like a jobber. Probably solos too, though.

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#28 Posted by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

Either solo.

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#29 Posted by BillyBickle (433 posts) - - Show Bio

Hela fine solos both easier than she soloed mew mew.

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#30 Posted by deactivated-5bdbf1dc6fdcc (2121 posts) - - Show Bio

Hela fine solos both easier than she soloed mew mew.

In "jober mode" for team yes but in "best perfomed feats mode" Martian can solo phase through all her attack and sink her below Asgard into space or just with touch turn her mentally into 3 years old innocent girl

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#31 Posted by deactivated-5d01cd4d1eb4b (2651 posts) - - Show Bio

MMH solo via phasing, telekinetic blasts and superior strenght, speed and durability ( very underpowered guy but still strong )

Superman can solo too

"MMH and Superman is too inconsistent": So all characters in all live action are too inconsistent. Lool i can say if Hela really used pure brute strenght to Mjolnir and couldn't just with single stomp break the concrete ( ok Asgardian concrete but honestly this "Asgardian concrete has 0 feats" ).

So Hela was also jobbing against Thor with Gungnir, because she was using only her brute strenght not swords.

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#32 Edited by HelixFlameYT (1929 posts) - - Show Bio

Is Hela catching Mjlonir a good enough reaction speed to take on these 2? If so it could be an interesting fight.

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#33 Posted by destinyman75 (15509 posts) - - Show Bio

Hela OBVIOUSLY unless your a fanboy should already know this. Thor is stronger then either here and he was was being ragdolled Hela is vastly supior in fighting skills, strength And durability virtually Instant regen. Nothing they can do is beyond Thor, nothing they can do is enough to take her down. Her spikes will impale as they went through Asgardian Armor, Surtur etc. Magically enchanced sharp objects are going to cut Kryptonian folks period. I know all the would be but but comments and nothing they say can change that fact straw argument sigh ...Also her speed is close to Diana who is definitely fast enough to tag so blitz argument won't work either. Now let's see something original ???

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#34 Posted by FlashGreaterSignEveryone (1897 posts) - - Show Bio

Clark can solo, idk about MMH but they stomp her

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#35 Posted by RBT (29438 posts) - - Show Bio

J'onn's track record against piercing isn't really good. He could lose.

Clark isn't. He solos.

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#36 Posted by deactivated-5d0b495e7009f (1844 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

J'onn's track record against piercing isn't really good. He could lose.

Clark isn't. He solos.

Yeah he hasn't good piercing resistance against no Earthly weapons but he quickly can read minds and just phase through blades like fight against Purity or bloodlusted Kara.

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#37 Posted by xMangog__Beastx (4743 posts) - - Show Bio

Team wrecks.

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#38 Posted by deactivated-5d01cd4d1eb4b (2651 posts) - - Show Bio

Hela OBVIOUSLY unless your a fanboy should already know this. Thor is stronger

Martian ( especially combined with his telekinesis is superior) i disagree. He can hold collapsing building in S3 with mid difficulty on his own. He with telekinesis is above S1 Kara with red kryptonite who is casual milion tonner ( practically stomped her ) and can with single punch her through skycraper as it was 1/6 of DCEU General Zod's swing ( 8 full spins ). + if we scale Hela to IW Thor who could pull this ring in space ( seemingly 1k - 10k ton of force ) so i can compare Martian to Reign who always gives her massive troubles ( still gets beaten by her but it takes challenge to her )

then either here and he was was being ragdolled Hela is vastly supior in fighting skills, strength

Yeah i agree Hela is superior in fighting skills than Thor and Martian but Hela hasn't feats as impressive as Kara or Marian in strenght

And durability virtually Instant regen

Agree she has better one and she tollerates pain better

. Nothing they can do is beyond Thor, nothing they can do is enough to take her down.

Like Martian took down Metallo via phasing heart out or trapping Hela in ground or tearing her apart like he did to Indigo ( powerful alien which can manipulate her body on quantum lvl ) or like his dad can mess up her mind.

Or Superman who drilled AMAZO 1 km underground. If we use statement that Mjolnir has Neutron Star's matter durability so i will use Winn Schott statement how Superman stopped massive Earthquake.

Her spikes will impale as they went through Asgardian Armor, Surtur etc. Magically enchanced sharp objects are going to cut Kryptonian folks period.

I believe Martian will be impaled but he constantly avoids them via phasing like he does it in movies. But Martian can tank pissed off Reign's heat vision which can injure post earth x Kara and one shot Samantha, Mon-El and Alura

Superman has too less feats so i agree blades should impale him

I know all the would be but but comments and nothing they say can change that fact straw argument sigh ...Also her speed is close to Diana who is definitely fast enough to tag so blitz argument won't work either. Now let's see something original ???

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#39 Posted by Laurus (1629 posts) - - Show Bio

Hela, obviously.

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#40 Posted by Eobard21 (6408 posts) - - Show Bio

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#41 Posted by RampageTheFirst (7921 posts) - - Show Bio

1 year later and Hela fanboys still can't provide a reasonable explanation as to how she wins this. Pathetic.

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#42 Posted by Supermanthor (22602 posts) - - Show Bio

1 year later and Hela fanboys still can't provide a reasonable explanation as to how she wins this. Pathetic.

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#43 Posted by RBT (29438 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

J'onn's track record against piercing isn't really good. He could lose.

Clark isn't. He solos.

Yeah he hasn't good piercing resistance against no Earthly weapons but he quickly can read minds and just phase through blades like fight against Purity or bloodlusted Kara.

True. J'onn's piercing durability has exactly the same problem as Thor's. J'onn has been pierced only by alien metals but doesn't have any concrete feat of resisting earth metals either. I don't think we have even seen him tank a bullet. Exactly the same as Thor. So, I can see Hela's blades piercing him. Though he can still win because of TP or phasing which seems to be his go to move.

That being said, J'onn doesn't really need to do much. Clark is more than enough to beat Hela into the ground. Her blades aren't doing jack to him.

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#44 Posted by deactivated-5d0b495e7009f (1844 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:
@davidharewood14 said:
@rbt said:

J'onn's track record against piercing isn't really good. He could lose.

Clark isn't. He solos.

Yeah he hasn't good piercing resistance against no Earthly weapons but he quickly can read minds and just phase through blades like fight against Purity or bloodlusted Kara.

True. J'onn's piercing durability has exactly the same problem as Thor's. J'onn has been pierced only by alien metals but doesn't have any concrete feat of resisting earth metals either. I don't think we have even seen him tank a bullet. Exactly the same as Thor. So, I can see Hela's blades piercing him. Though he can still win because of TP or phasing which seems to be his go to move.

That being said, J'onn doesn't really need to do much. Clark is more than enough to beat Hela into the ground. Her blades aren't doing jack to him.

In fight against Astra, M'gann or red kryptonite Supergirl they both were rushing through concrete. + J'onn was even tough enough to stuck/merge his hand in Metalo's tough armor or in ground against fighting Reign.

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#45 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7882 posts) - - Show Bio

Both can solo.

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#46 Posted by rem (2753 posts) - - Show Bio

Martain Manhunter solos.

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#47 Posted by Nucleon (3667 posts) - - Show Bio

1 year later and Hela fanboys still can't provide a reasonable explanation as to how she wins this. Pathetic.

She no sells everything the duo can muster, the only variable being the MMH's TP powers, for which we don't know. Hela beats them in actual combat speed, strength, skill and, most definitely, in durability where her insta-healing roughly equate imperviousness to physical damage.

Also, her blades being magical she can potentially one-shot Superman.

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#48 Posted by ThEBeStOfTheBeST (12149 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman stomps with city shacking punches, or blitz the snot outta her like he did Amazo.

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#49 Posted by deactivated-5d0b495e7009f (1844 posts) - - Show Bio

@nucleon said:
@rampagethefirst said:

1 year later and Hela fanboys still can't provide a reasonable explanation as to how she wins this. Pathetic.

She no sells everything the duo can muster, the only variable being the MMH's TP powers, for which we don't know. Hela beats them in actual combat speed, strength, skill and, most definitely, in durability where her insta-healing roughly equate imperviousness to physical damage.

Also, her blades being magical she can potentially one-shot Superman.

Ok Superman tanked magic blast of destiny book so i don't think that her blades are above book blast. Can send Metallo flying at supersonic speed. Heatvision one shots positron canon or Daxamian ships. Kal can drill amazo underground 1 km below Central City surface ( in an instant ). Also he is on pair with Kara

Martian can give troubles to demoness who can break planet with pure brute strenght + can lift building or rip into half such tough guy as Indigo ( overally on pair with Kara ), can tank Reign heatvision which is also hax capable of wounding Kara or 1-shoting Mon-El, Alura and Samantha. Or normally survive purity scream. Can phase through all her blades and mind mess her. Or use telekinticall blast like in Jeremiah rescuing mission. [ of course if J'onn isn't holding back so u have got a point if J'onn will mock her ].

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#50 Posted by deactivated-5d01cd4d1eb4b (2651 posts) - - Show Bio

J'onn loses with high difficulty if he do not trait her seriously, otherwise he solos. Kal can solo her.