MCU Green Goblin vs MCU Cap, Bucky and Falcon

Standard gear for everyone, Norman is in his armored green suit. Feats from SM1 & NWH applies. Who wins?

Norman stomps these fodders.

Norman was an absolute Tank Flacon gets his Neck Snapped after being blown out the sky

Rage Boosted Cap isnt tanking many hits before the fatigue sets in

Bucky is Practically a Non-Factor

Unless Flacon is Sporting a Shield they Dont Last Half as Long

This is a tough battle. Let Bucky be in WS mode and throw in John Walker and the team might have a chance. It’s just that Green Goblin is so strong and durable…his durability is the closest to what I imagine an MCU 1610-esque Green Goblin to be like.

Team utterly destroys him. He gets bombarded by Falcon who is a much better aerial fighter with superior equipment. Bucky gives him fire support. Cap can look for openings to knock him off the glider with a shield toss if Norman accidentally gets close to the ground during the exchanges against the other two. Once he falls down his chances for victory drop to zero.

Team gets carpet bombed, if they survive that, Goblin thrashes them around like he did Spidey in the apartment.

The teams beat chance would be weaponry from Falcon.

If this fight goes to the ground Norman probably just brutes his way through them eventually lol.

Goblin one-shots thrice.

You make no sense. You literally made a thread called ‘Raimi Green Goblin vs MCU Cap’ and in OP said ‘this is closer than people think‘… but now you say this?

Norman was toying with casual lightning timers. WTH are the trio doing here?

Spiderman casually caught a straight left from Bucky’s metal arm. Their physical attacks won’t do **** to GG.

@raimiwins1875: That was goblin with no gear lol, Goblin with standard gear obvs stomps Cap and these other two fodder.

You said he trashes them around like he did Spidey in the apartment, he didn’t have gear in apartment fight nor does his gear increase his physical strength.

@raimiwins1875: yes, AFTER softening them up with missiles and bombs, even if they somehow survive that barrage they’re still going to disoriented as hell thus very easy pickings.

Goblin always bombs first, in pretty much every encounter we’ve seen him in, thats his go to.

Goblin due to bombs.

@sophisticated_ignorance: That doesn’t change the fact that you said the likes of Cap could contend with Goblin H2H, you’re just making no sense.

A weaker and slower inexperienced Civil War Spider-Man already toyed with a Falcon and Bucky duo. Norman wrecked a much more powerful and more experienced version of Spider-Man. They have no chance at contending with someone who scales to lightning timing, as @greysentinel365 pointed out.

They get bombed.

@raimiwins1875: Cap has the fighting skills to hold his own against people stronger than him, dude took down War Machine and Black Panther at the same time, I never once said hes stronger or more durable than Goblin.

You’re looking for an argument when there isn’t one stop trying to derail the thread. I’m ignoring your next reply.

@sophisticated_ignorance: When did he take down both WM and BP at the same time? In CW, BP was throwing him around easily even though his main objective was getting to Bucky.

You said post-NWH makes this closer, which literally made no sense.

Lol is it more fair if all of team 2 gets a Vibranium shield?

Well that Cap v Goblin thread definitely wasn't considered a close match... all the comments affirmed it as a stomp. Though I don't see this as relevant here.

Goblin. Falcon and WS were both fodders to a new Spiderman while Goblin be the breaks off a more experienced Spidey. His starts are just way to much for the team. Not to mention they can’t hurt him without Falcon.

I'd say GG. He should be a lot faster.

Goblin stomps.

He almost always opens with a bomb barrage, so yeah they take cover instead of trying to shoot him. If it came down to CQ he rips them all in half and there's nothing they can do to even hurt him

After more thought it’s hard to say where Cap’s strength stands after endgame. He took some heavy blows from Thanos. At the same time Bucky has been nerfed quite a bit from Winter Soldier.

Even though Norman has greater physicals, the team can hold their own against Norman. It’s not a one sided fight.

It’s the fact that Norman laughed off repeated punches to the face from Holland Spider-Man. It felt like Punisher fighting the Russian.

Norman stomps currently.

Cap handled War Machine and Black Panther at the same time, then trapped Spider-Man, then beat Iron Man, all in the same movie. In the movie before that, he went toe to toe with v3 Ultron. In Avengers 1, he set both Mind Stone wielding Loki and enraged Mjolnir striking Thor on the ground. In Infinity War, he survived a direct punch to the face from a fully focused Thanos. Cap alone could beat standard gear Goblin.

Cap was evenly matched against Black Panther in Civil War, so framing him as someone who can beat them both at the same time is dishonest and not reflective of his capabilities. The Spider-Man he fought was significantly weaker, based on the fact that Cap in the very same film struggled with a 3 ton helicopter. Spider-Man as of Far From Home is performing 1700 ton feats. His growth post Civil War is significant. Using the Thanos showings is not valid either as they're just PIS, but if you really want go down that route, Spider-Man did much better against Thanos.

Goblin was able to brutalize Holland in the apartment fight and piledrive him through 6 floors of marble and concrete:

In the same film, Spider-Man was moving relative to electricity:

So no, Goblin demolishes Cap. The only way you get Cap above is by wanking him to extreme levels and lowballing Spider-Man/Goblin.

This is what happens when a character is the peak definition of ‘Mary-Sue‘ and ‘Plot armour’ lmao Jesus.

@nassergrant19: Yo folks have been downplaying your fave.

@frozen: In the same film, Spider-Man was moving relative to electricity

So was the acceleration of earths gravity. So mcu earth is super dense? Or is the electricity just not that fast?

What are you talking about lol? None of the spiders were simply falling in that scene, both Andrew and Tom were leaping off of something with their own momentum and speed and dipping, they needed to leap down towards the anti-collider to catch and throw to each other then to Tobey. It’s clear they weren’t just falling, they leapt off objects, creating their own speed.

@frozen said:

@parkerkent said:

Cap handled War Machine and Black Panther at the same time, then trapped Spider-Man, then beat Iron Man, all in the same movie. In the movie before that, he went toe to toe with v3 Ultron. In Avengers 1, he set both Mind Stone wielding Loki and enraged Mjolnir striking Thor on the ground. In Infinity War, he survived a direct punch to the face from a fully focused Thanos. Cap alone could beat standard gear Goblin.

Cap was evenly matched against Black Panther in Civil War, so framing him as someone who can beat them both at the same time is dishonest and not reflective of his capabilities. The Spider-Man he fought was significantly weaker, based on the fact that Cap in the very same film struggled with a 3 ton helicopter. Spider-Man as of Far From Home is performing 1700 ton feats. His growth post Civil War is significant. Using the Thanos showings is not valid either as they're just PIS, but if you really want go down that route, Spider-Man did much better against Thanos.

Goblin was able to brutalize Holland in the apartment fight and piledrive him through 6 floors of marble and concrete:

In the same film, Spider-Man was moving relative to electricity:

So no, Goblin demolishes Cap. The only way you get Cap above is by wanking him to extreme levels and lowballing Spider-Man/Goblin.

Multiple movies consistently show Cap's onscreen feats, especially durability, withstanding foes superior to the damage Goblin can produce. Goblin is weaker and less skilled in combat than Civil War Iron Man. Add in v3 Ultron and Thanos punch and the facts simply are on Cap's side.

Spider-Man > Goblin

Cap > Spider-Man ( beat him in Civil War )

Bloodlusted Winter Soldier = Cap

Bucky + Cap + Falcon (Super Soldier+ tier) = Either solos

@parkerkent:

Multiple movies consistently show Cap's onscreen feats, especially durability, withstanding foes superior to the damage Goblin can produce. Goblin is weaker and less skilled in combat than Civil War Iron Man. Add in v3 Ultron and Thanos punch and the facts simply are on Cap's side.

Again, just wank and untrue. But since you're going down the route of Iron Man scaling, lets play. Goblin scales considerably above base NWH Spider-Man, who in turn can easily catch Cull's strike:

As you can see in the GIF, Cull is beating on IW Iron Man moments prior. IW Iron Man >>>>> CW Iron Man:

Cull can rip apart Hulkbuster armour:

Goblin >>> base NWH Peter >>> Cull >> IW Iron Man >>>> CW Iron Man

Since you like scaling Cap to Iron Man so much, here you go.

The Cap wank is out of control in some of these comments. Goblin handily.

Let's put Iron Man aside. Here is Cap's most recent appearance. Does not yet have Mjolnir, so this is all him. Thanos punches his shield so hard Cap's back / spine slams THROUGH a hug chunk of rock. This does not even knock Cap out. This is Cap's durability. Goblin is not beating that:

Yes they were, they jumped up with their own power, but they did nothing to pull themselves downward, which they both did in the gif @frozen posted when they were moving relative to electo’s blasts. the speed of the shot was consistent so the fact is, when they were moving relative to the lightning or whatever, so was the acceleration of gravity. No ways around it

@parkerkent: So you concede to Iron Man scaling? Nice.

Again, Thanos scaling is just PIS. But since you want to indulge it so much, Spider-Man took a full force slam from Thanos and was fine. Comparatively, Goblin beat Spider-Man down. Therefore, he beats down Cap.

Thankfully it's a small minority of comments. It's pretty telling the only argument for him is using max wank with Thanos scaling.

@frozen: I’m not conceding Iron Man scaling for Cap. I’m adding to his Thanos showings. And reminding you of his v3 Ultron showing. And his handling Spider-Man. We can disagree, but to act as though all of these onscreen showings for Cap, taken as a whole, are wank and misrepresentation? Well, that’s just not true. We disagree. That’s all. But Cap holding up to Loki, Thor, Thanos, Ultron, War Machine and Black Panther, Iron Man, and Spider-Man, onscreen in multiple movies — is valid evidence he can handle Goblin.

Check properly. Tom pushed off of a pole b4 he jumped off the floor, Andrew did a spin and his hand was reaching down on one of the crown spikes. Also, even if it was so, do you think it’s fair to nitpick from any small visual errors when characters with super speed such as Flash, Superman and Quicksilver have suffered from the same things?— -

You clearly see the girl flicking her hair back is perceivable in motion when QS is in super-speed? He already statued the explosion by then and bee flapping its wings down like 0.2 times per second (in his time frame).

As for Superman…

You clearly see Aquaman falling down at the speed of gravity being perceivable for Superman and Flashes speed-time right? Do you think it’s fair to try lowball all the same for Spidey‘s as well, especially when there are actual arguments to say otherwise on top of it?

Cap's struggled with Red Skull, Batroc, Bucky, a weakened Iron Man and a host of other lesser characters. As for Loki and Thor, he got ragdolled by Loki and has no scaling to Thor. Cap isn't some high tier who is in the realm of Captain Marvel/Thor/Thanos. He's a street leveller. In the same film he fought an inexperienced Spider-Man, he struggled in holding back a helicopter. A feat which calcs to 3 tons. You seem to be forgetting that Cap was hard pressed by Black Panther in their 1v1. They were an even match. So for Cap to somehow go from struggling with Panther to suddenly being > Panther + War Machine is obviously very wrong.

Cap isn't a Thanos tier character on consistent scaling. Moreover, he isn't as durable as Spider-Man. Spider-Man scales to Tobey and Andrew now. He's withstood city block tier pumpkin bombs, hits from a building sized Sandman, resisted being crushed by a 300ft tall Sandman among a host of other feats. Spider-Man is more durable than Cap and got his shit kicked in by Goblin. Cap is not faring any better.

@raimiwins1875: I’m only gonna address the relevant part of your post since this is a thread between mcu characters.

Check properly. Tom pushed off of a pole b4 he jumped off the floor, Andrew did a spin and his hand was reaching down on one of the crown spikes

No no, you check properly

Neither Tom nor Andrew pushed off of anything to descend. That’s all gravity. Plain as day

Even when ock threatens mj, a helicopter is still moving relative to both Spider-Man & ock. It’s clear they aren’t meant to be speedsters in combat. Unless of course you’re arguing gravity & news choppers are also relative to speedsters in combat