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Any of the Flag Smasher one shot DD. DD also doesn’t really hit hard enough to reliably Ko one either.
A Flag Smasher would completely incapacitate DD once it gets its hands on him, the stats gap is high.
MCU Matt isn't taking any super soldier without serious prep or the environmental edge heavily in his favor. Even then, the stat gap is high and he could easily get KOed with a few hits.
@monsieurmaster: true he cant match bruce stats at all He wins via skill
I'd elan towards Matt given his showings against Elektra/Bakuto/Murakami/Nobu. He's fought stronger people before. He has a chance here, especially if he cuts loose.
@mexcomics2078: It would be a solid fight either way but I think Bruce is well above Fisk and Matt always seems to struggle against them type of tanks. The DD suit gives him a good durability boost tho.
@monsieurmaster: true he cant match bruce stats at all He wins via skill
Reason? What feats are you thinking of here?
@rbt: Bruce is stronger and hits harder but the gap isn’t wide. Tbh I think Matt and Bruce has similar durability. ( Matt tanking Black sky hits and Superman slap feat for Bruce ). Either way Matt wins 10/10 imo
@monsieurmaster: Matt only struggled with Fisk when he was A rookie or injured.
@mexcomics2078: Fisk still gave him a fight in the series finale 3 way. And Matt wasn’t injured there, in fact Fisk might have been more injured if I recall that Bullseye attacked him first.
And Fisk doesn’t hit as hard as Bruce, so not sure why beating a weaker and totally unskilled person is even impressive
@allstarsuperman: pretty much S3 And Defenders Daredevil are clearly different. so Fisk is irrelevant
@mexcomics2078: Matt said he was fine like halfway into the season iirc, it was just them early episodes he was was a mess.
@monsieurmaster: yeah but still. His feats doesn’t compare to his Defenders self.
@mexcomics2078: He completely schooled Dex in cqc which impressive, I dont see an injured Matt doing that (linked Dex's fbi feat)
Matt will never no diff Fisk, his Black Sky feat is ridiculous but styles make fights.
@monsieurmaster: still Dex doesn’t compare to Iron Fist who Defenders Daredevil had the upper hand. He just fought superior people with better feats. Also Defenders Matt would dance around Fisk considering BS worked to tag him
@monsieurmaster: Also is against the rules debating my own thread so tag me on another one
@mexcomics2078: and Defenders shouldn’t take any precedence over Season 3.
@allstarsuperman: sure but pretty much people focus more on defenders version of Matt considering he got the best feats and S3 Matt has mediocre feats.
@mexcomics2078: Yes Danny is superior to Dex in h2h. There's context to that though, Danny and his emotions. I think if he fought Danny with a clear head then it would've been closer. Matt had to fight that way against Elektra, he would never fight that defensive style against Fisk. Fisk vs Matt will always be like it was in the finales, consider the intent as well Matt is always bound to have problems, they would never write it another way.
Im surprised no one has asked a writer or someone to clarify whether Matt was a decent bit weaker than his Defenders self. Its been 2 years now!
@monsieurmaster: Also is against the rules debating my own thread so tag me on another one
Okay, no worries. Good debate.
If this is peak Matt from Defenders, I believe that dude was taking hits from Black Sky who was slapping around Luke Cage and Jessica Jones.
I'm not a fan of A>B>C logic, but don't think it's as big of a stomp as most people are saying.
edit: also a reminder that Sam was keeping up with Flag Smashers
If this is peak Matt from Defenders, I believe that dude was taking hits from Black Sky who was slapping around Luke Cage and Jessica Jones.
I'm not a fan of A>B>C logic, but don't think it's as big of a stomp as most people are saying.
edit: also a reminder that Sam was keeping up with Flag Smashers
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