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#1 Posted by _KingofLatveria (17929 posts) - - Show Bio
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  • Elektra is post-Black Sky
  • Everyone's bloodlusted
  • Elektra has her sais
  • Win via death
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#2 Posted by The_Magister (12866 posts) - - Show Bio

Centipede Soldiers stomp.

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#3 Edited by OriginalCaptain (4271 posts) - - Show Bio

Elektra because of speed, skill & weapons.
She is also really durable. She could definitely tank a few hits.

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#4 Posted by Amcu (14788 posts) - - Show Bio

Elektra. Maybe I'm forgetting but I doubt any of them are as fast as her. She is able to one shot due to gear and she can fight multiple opponents at once.

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#5 Posted by RBT (25744 posts) - - Show Bio

Elektra. Don't think Centipede Soldiers have any piercing durability. With her sais, she takes it.

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#6 Posted by Greysentinel365 (5375 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Mike, using an inferior version of the serum was able to tank a shotgun blast with no damage.

Centipedes win.

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#7 Posted by deactivated-5aa8a6c4d26f9 (269 posts) - - Show Bio

Even Black Sky gets wrecked.

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#8 Posted by RBT (25744 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Mike, using an inferior version of the serum was able to tank a shotgun blast with no damage.

Centipedes win.

I'm pretty sure Mike got stabbed by a random metal pipe.

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#9 Posted by Greysentinel365 (5375 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: By a Centipede soldier. They can put a fair bit of force behind the things.

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#10 Posted by RBT (25744 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: By a Centipede soldier. They can put a fair bit of force behind the things.

Yes, using a metal pipe which aren't that sharp compared to an actual sai. And Elektra is fair bit strong herself. Also, when did the shotgun thing happen?

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#11 Posted by The_Magister (12866 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:
@greysentinel365 said:

@rbt: By a Centipede soldier. They can put a fair bit of force behind the things.

Yes, using a metal pipe which aren't that sharp compared to an actual sai. And Elektra is fair bit strong herself. Also, when did the shotgun thing happen?

Pilot episode of the series.

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#13 Posted by _KingofLatveria (17929 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: By a Centipede soldier. They can put a fair bit of force behind the things.

Didn't Ward stab an actual soldier with a syringe? Also bullets pierce with blunt force so thats kinda a bad comparison

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#14 Posted by AngelJax (11066 posts) - - Show Bio

Elektra most likely, but I wouldn't be surprised if she jobs and loses.

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#15 Posted by AngelJax (11066 posts) - - Show Bio

@_kingoflatveria: No, Ward injected a toxin into a soldier's mouth. And then forcefully kneed it to accelerate the effect.

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@greysentinel365 said:

@rbt: By a Centipede soldier. They can put a fair bit of force behind the things.

Didn't Ward stab an actual soldier with a syringe? Also bullets pierce with blunt force so thats kinda a bad comparison

No. Why do you keep saying this.
He put a capsule in his mouth and then kneed him in the jaw.

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#18 Posted by Paytience (4299 posts) - - Show Bio

@angeljax: same thing

He didn't at any point stab a centipede soldier...it's not remotely the same thing.

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#22 Posted by DSTREET45 (5137 posts) - - Show Bio

Elektra. She's faster and more skilled.

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#23 Posted by Arcus1 (27483 posts) - - Show Bio

Elektra's definitely skilled enough to hang with 3 opponents, she's got the durability to tank hits and the strength to hang with them (they might be stronger overall). Assuming she can stab them with her sai, she wins

Centipede Soldiers stomp.

Is there anything to indicate that she couldn't stab the soldiers?

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#24 Posted by The_Magister (12866 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus1: Actually, that's a good point. She has her sai here, which I didn't take into consideration. But I don't think she can tag all of them AND keep them down before they crush her skull or ragdoll her.

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#25 Posted by Arcus1 (27483 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus1: Actually, that's a good point. She has her sai here, which I didn't take into consideration. But I don't think she can tag all of them AND keep them down before they crush her skull or ragdoll her.

Elektra shrugged off a direct chi punch, hits from Jessica Jones, and could hang with Luke Cage, I don't think she's as physically inferior to Centipede soldiers as you're suggesting. If they didn't crush/ragdoll May or Ward immediately, why would they succeed in doing so against Elektra? Besides, 10 ninjas feat, we know she does fine at evading attacks from multiple sides while landing lethal blows quickly

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#26 Edited by The_Magister (12866 posts) - - Show Bio

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@the_magister said:

@arcus1: Actually, that's a good point. She has her sai here, which I didn't take into consideration. But I don't think she can tag all of them AND keep them down before they crush her skull or ragdoll her.

Elektra shrugged off a direct chi punch, hits from Jessica Jones, and could hang with Luke Cage, I don't think she's as physically inferior to Centipede soldiers as you're suggesting. If they didn't crush/ragdoll May or Ward immediately, why would they succeed in doing so against Elektra? Besides, 10 ninjas feat, we know she does fine at evading attacks from multiple sides while landing lethal blows quickly

I feel like that's a feat for May and Ward, not a feat against the Centipede Soldiers. For regular humans, they've shown equal ragdolling ability to Luke plus far superior skill. (both by implication and by choreography)

I'm not saying she'd go down immediately, but I don't see how Elektra is supposed to take three guys who each have:

  • Comparable strength to Luke
  • The durability to shrug off shotgun blasts at close range
  • Superior skill to Jessica and Luke combined

The Hand ninjas aren't remotely comparable. Maybe they're faster in raw combat speed, but even then, the Centipede Soldiers aren't slow themselves and they press an advance very well.

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#27 Posted by Arcus1 (27483 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus1 said:
@the_magister said:

@arcus1: Actually, that's a good point. She has her sai here, which I didn't take into consideration. But I don't think she can tag all of them AND keep them down before they crush her skull or ragdoll her.

Elektra shrugged off a direct chi punch, hits from Jessica Jones, and could hang with Luke Cage, I don't think she's as physically inferior to Centipede soldiers as you're suggesting. If they didn't crush/ragdoll May or Ward immediately, why would they succeed in doing so against Elektra? Besides, 10 ninjas feat, we know she does fine at evading attacks from multiple sides while landing lethal blows quickly

I feel like that's a feat for May and Ward, not a feat against the Centipede Soldiers. For regular humans, they've shown equal ragdolling ability to Luke plus far superior skill. (both by implication and by choreography)

I'm not saying she'd go down immediately, but I don't see how Elektra is supposed to take three guys who each have:

  • Comparable strength to Luke
  • The durability to shrug off shotgun blasts at close range
  • Superior skill to Jessica and Luke combined

The Hand ninjas aren't remotely comparable. Maybe they're faster in raw combat speed, but even then, the Centipede Soldiers aren't slow and they press an advance very well.

Are you saying Elektra's less durable than May/Ward?

Point in bringing up Hand ninjas was to show Elekta's ability to avoid getting tagged. The 10 ninjas had her surrounded and all advanced at the same time, 3 Centipede soldiers aren't gonna do better than that

I admit I'm not familiar enough with Luke's feats/Centipede to say one way or another if Centipede are comparable to Luke's strength, but I kinda doubt it. They're not as durable, particularly to stabbing, which is key here

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#28 Posted by ANTHP2000 (22852 posts) - - Show Bio

Elektra with high dif (since sais are not directly lethal like swords).

The agents didn't have any weapons fighting them. May or Ward could take several of them with standard gear.

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#29 Posted by RBT (25744 posts) - - Show Bio

Elektra fairly comfortably. They aren't touching her.

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#30 Posted by The_Magister (12866 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus1 said:
@the_magister said:
@arcus1 said:
@the_magister said:

@arcus1: Actually, that's a good point. She has her sai here, which I didn't take into consideration. But I don't think she can tag all of them AND keep them down before they crush her skull or ragdoll her.

Elektra shrugged off a direct chi punch, hits from Jessica Jones, and could hang with Luke Cage, I don't think she's as physically inferior to Centipede soldiers as you're suggesting. If they didn't crush/ragdoll May or Ward immediately, why would they succeed in doing so against Elektra? Besides, 10 ninjas feat, we know she does fine at evading attacks from multiple sides while landing lethal blows quickly

I feel like that's a feat for May and Ward, not a feat against the Centipede Soldiers. For regular humans, they've shown equal ragdolling ability to Luke plus far superior skill. (both by implication and by choreography)

I'm not saying she'd go down immediately, but I don't see how Elektra is supposed to take three guys who each have:

  • Comparable strength to Luke
  • The durability to shrug off shotgun blasts at close range
  • Superior skill to Jessica and Luke combined

The Hand ninjas aren't remotely comparable. Maybe they're faster in raw combat speed, but even then, the Centipede Soldiers aren't slow and they press an advance very well.

Are you saying Elektra's less durable than May/Ward?

Point in bringing up Hand ninjas was to show Elekta's ability to avoid getting tagged. The 10 ninjas had her surrounded and all advanced at the same time, 3 Centipede soldiers aren't gonna do better than that

I admit I'm not familiar enough with Luke's feats/Centipede to say one way or another if Centipede are comparable to Luke's strength, but I kinda doubt it. They're not as durable, particularly to stabbing, which is key here

Kinda late, but just got reminded of this.

No I'm not saying Elektra's less durable. All I am saying is that it's a feat for May/Ward to withstand Centipede advances, not a feat against Centipedes.

Elektra can avoid getting tagged for a bit, but Centipede Soldiers are gonna be harder to put down than Hand fodder so they'll land hits eventually.

I haven't seen Luke do anything comparable to one-arming a 4 ton shipping container across a warehouse. Not durable to stabbing? Mike took a shotgun blast and just got up without any significant damage. John Garrett just got up after being shot several times by a pistol. Sure they're not Luke in raw durability, but Elektra isn't one-shotting anyone here.

I think you saying she can "tank" them is an undersell of their abilities. She is not getting up and fighting with no problem if she is hit a couple of times by these guys. If we go back to the earlier argument and say that May/Ward withstanding them is a feat against Centipede Soldiers, let's also say that Matt managing to reel Elektra's head back with hooks and jabs is a feat against Elektra. Centipede Soldiers will do a lot more damage than that.

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#31 Posted by ANTHP2000 (22852 posts) - - Show Bio

May and Ward never tanked hits from Centipedes. May looked like she could keep going after they floored her, but it wasn't a direct hit and Ward got up after getting slammed around repeatedly, but it still wasn't a direct hit.

Frankly, Elektra barely compares physically to a single centipede soldier.

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#32 Posted by IchiNiSanji (496 posts) - - Show Bio

elektra

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#33 Posted by ANTHP2000 (22852 posts) - - Show Bio

Btw, the Centipedes are clearly more skilled than Hand Ninjas individually...

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#34 Posted by shadyxv (523 posts) - - Show Bio

She never tanked a direct chi punch.. Not that i know of. She goes down though this guys has strength on par with luke they maybe be a little less durable than him but so is she and these are definitely more skilled than foddler ninjas. Her 10 ninja feat won't matter cuz three of this soldier can also clear that feat more brutally.

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#35 Posted by CryoModeste5 (494 posts) - - Show Bio

Elektra is vastly superior

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#36 Posted by AngelJax (11066 posts) - - Show Bio

@angeljax said:

Elektra most likely, but I wouldn't be surprised if she jobs and loses.

Still this

The Centipede outperform Elektra in just about every contest of physicality. Her only solid advantage against them is skill. In-character though she could just job and lose. She's lost to less.

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#37 Posted by Paytience (4299 posts) - - Show Bio

Elektra loses to ONE centipede.

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#38 Posted by _KingofLatveria (17929 posts) - - Show Bio

Elektra loses to ONE centipede.

That seems like a stretch to me

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#39 Posted by bleidd (1207 posts) - - Show Bio

Elektra due to gear and way better skills. In fact, I don't think she needs the Sais here.

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@_kingoflatveria: Its not. It might depend on the centipede, but without physical advantages, Elektra is amd always has been underwhelming. She doesn't have any real physical advantages here, your average centipede wears level 4 body armor, so the sais are moot, and we already know that at least the elite spec ops in the MCU are enough to be a serious threat to even the best netflix characters in cqc/h2h.

Elektra loses to one centipede. She couldn't put them down. She has no way of disconnecting them from the devices outside of brute force and if she tries to tangle with one of them like that, she'll lose.

Centipedes physicals, healing and combat styles are bad for her.

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#41 Posted by _KingofLatveria (17929 posts) - - Show Bio

@paytience:

but without physical advantages, Elektras is amd always has been underwhelming

soloing the defenders is underwhelming? Making the Iron Fist look like a joke is not underwhelming, this is Black Sky not normal Elektra

She doesn't have any real physical advantages here,

she was wrestling with Jessica Jones, she might not have enough strength to manhandle them but she's not being physically overwhelmed

so the sais are moot,

their faces and legs aren't sai proof

we already know that the spec ops in the MCU are enough to be a serious threat to even the best netflix characters in cqc.

umm, even Punisher took down spec ops fairly easily lol, normal Hand Ninjas beat fodderized security guards, Collen Wing could beat on people better than spec ops lol

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#42 Posted by Paytience (4299 posts) - - Show Bio

@_kingoflatveria: Black Sky Elektra has physical advantages and no, beating Iron Fist is not impressive in the damn least. Soloing the defnders the way she did is not that impressive either, because at this point its looking more and more like a few of the shield agents could do the same thing. Especially not when once again, you have massive physical advatages. Jessica is not as tough, durable or nearly as well trained as a a centipede. Doing the same thing against a centipede would go badly for her. Thats literally what I just said.

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Punisher is literally the only guy they ever fought that is actually tiered with the centipedes preserum. That is exactly what the centipede soldiers were; and Punishers 1v1 abilities stop amd end against a DEA desk agent. Thats where he sits, and consequently, that is also where DD sits seeing as DD lost to him...3 times.

Thanks for proving the point patnah.

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The 3

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#44 Posted by _KingofLatveria (17929 posts) - - Show Bio

@paytience:

beating Iron Fist is not impressive in the damn least.

why?

Soloing the defnders the way she did is not that impressive either, because at this point its looking more and more like a few of the shield agents could do the same thing.

so Melinda May could take on Iron Fist, Jessica Jones, Daredevil, and Luke Cage for as long as Elektra did?

Jessica is not as tough, durable or nearly as well trained as a a centipede.

Jessica Jones is not as durable as a centipede? What?

Punisher is literally the only guy they ever fought that is actually tiered with the centipedes preserum.

that's headcannon

Thats where he sits, and consequently, that is also where DD sits seeing as DD lost to him...3 times.

umm because of his pain tolerance, if Frank=Centipede in skill then this would be the fight except worse lol

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