20m apart on titan
no time stone
dr strange up to endgame
20m apart on titan
no time stone
dr strange up to endgame
Once again people forget that they have to debate characters while they are in-character. People on this forum instead say what they would do with Strange's abilities. He has never tried to cut someone in half with a portal. He has never tried to turn someone into butterflies. But, of course, that is the first thing people type as his victory scenarios. Brf is the only one that seems plausible, but even that has issues. We have no idea where Strange would even bfr him to. He is not Loki, it could be a place Kal-El could easily escape with flight. This also assumes Kal can not simply dodge the portal.
This fight is a mismatch. Kal-El closes the distance (because it is not in-character for him to kite with heat vision or throw things), Strange tries to counter with his cqc go-to (a rope), Kal-El punches him. The End.
Strange could not beat Maw even with the time stone. He is out of his depth.
@ready_4_madness: Weapon amazon is magic they all in themyscira get create by zeus.
And sword magic create by god greek can hurt kryptonian.
And movie shazam said just magic only can hurt they so it clear magic above superman / even kryptonian can't hurt shazam ( because they no have magic )
@kingjupeter: “only magic can harm magic” he didn’t say Kryptonians. I know that Diana’s sword is made out of magic but that’s not proof that they’re weak to magic, that’s just proof that Diana can pierce a Kryptonian. Nowhere in the DCEU does it state that Kryptonians are weak to magic.
@redshift_bacon: Thor,thanos,Carol,hela,Wanda,strange all shit stomps Clark with speed equalised
Supes fighting style relies heavily on his speed, he puches are telegraphed and with out speed he loses half it power and u can see d attack coming and seeing he is so less skilled Dan any I called Dere , dey can dance around him, crush him with tk or restrain him with d band of cytorak
3-4 hits from SB will put him on his ass for a while
To everyone saying Doctor Strange's magic can hurt Supes:
Spatial dimensions by definition are science. 1d, 2d, 3d, 4d, it's all a matter of perspective on space. The reason higher dimension beings have so much more power is the same reason you, as a 3d creature, have infinite power over 2d. You can draw entire worlds, erase entire worlds, move 2d objects any way you please. And since 2d creatures can't comprehend 3d in terms of depth and shit, it would look extremely strange to them- objects slipping in and out of their single sheeted plane because there's no concept of up or down in 2d. The same can be said if a 4d or 5d object were to interact with our 3d world; they have infinite power over us and their usage of it would look incredibly strange, a lot like magic even. Especially since we're getting into theoretical physics and quantum mechanics at that point, it'd look reaaaallly weird if we could even comprehend 4d and above.
> "It's not a 'boiling cauldron, eye-of-newt' magic."
If "dimensions" refer to alternate realities instead of spatial dimensions, it's the Fantastic Four's entire job to explore those and they regularly come under a level of scientific understanding. How many alternate timelines, universes, or realities were beyond that? Was Old Man Logan beyond scientific understanding? How about Secret Wars Battleworld? Spider-Verse? Regardless, the filmmakers still dumbed it down to "It very much is a science issue." Hell, the existence of alternate dimensions in of itself requires a root in science, which is confirmed by the fact that Marvel follows a quantum multiverse model even in the movies (every choice creates a new time stream).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation (See decision theory)
By contrast, DC comics follow a bubble multiverse model (See their map of the multiverse)
The DCEU didn't explicitly state that science and magic are separate but Wonder Woman made it pretty obvious. The existence of the Greek gods, their abilities, their gear... There's plenty of evidence to suggest the gods are straight up magic, so you'd need to show evidence that overrides that proposition in order to say they're super scientific. For example, what about the Lasso of Truth? It works purely by having someone in its noose and it doesn't even need to touch the person's skin. It's clearly not some sort of aerosol because it'd work on everyone in the vicinity and the trigger mechanism makes no sense. Then there's stuff like lightning with no cloud cover, lightning literally coming out of Diana's bracer in JL, and how does one transfer the last of their dying power to create a god killer without any tech? And even if you could come up with a scientific explanation, that fails to prove that it's the correct explanation when the director's intent was obviously magic.
EDIT: Apparently Shazam made it explicitly clear that magic is its own thing with Dr. Sivana's statement. So, the "Z" in Shazam stands for "Power of Zeus," meaning Zeus is magical in nature, along with Hercules, Atlas, Achilles, and Mercury.
To go one step further than that, here's the thing: you're trying to say that MCU magic translates to DCEU. Everything I just said shows consistent differences in the magic between Marvel and DC's comics, movies, and scientific multiverse models. If you want to say that the MCU and DCEU have the same magic, here's a list of things you need to demonstrate:
1. You need to demonstrate that the DCEU is even part of a greater multiverse
2. You need to demonstrate that the DCEU follows the quantum model for that multiverse
3. You need to demonstrate that the DCEU's magic functions by accessing the science of that multiverse
4. You need to demonstrate that not a shred of what the Greek gods did was another kind of magic
Only then can you say the MCU operates the same way as the DCEU. Good luck.
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