MCU Dr Strange vs DCEU superman (SPEED EQUALISED)

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Poll MCU Dr Strange vs DCEU superman (SPEED EQUALISED) (73 votes)

MCU 81%
DCEU 19%

20m apart on titan

no time stone

speed equalised

dr strange up to endgame

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Superman still blitzes.

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BFR is the only hope for Strange

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Easy win for Strange.

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BFR I guess

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#6  Edited By el-kun

Spite match in favour of strange

Any MCU top tier will beat Clark 10/10 without speed its a mismatch

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Doctor strange stomps with either:

Morphing Superman into butterflies like he did with that black hole

Cuts him in half with portals

Or sending him into the mirror dimension

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@rbt said:

BFR is the only hope for Strange

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#9  Edited By KingJupeter
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Two completely and totally different and not at all same people are saying the same thing. I guess I must be wrong, huh.

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Once again people forget that they have to debate characters while they are in-character. People on this forum instead say what they would do with Strange's abilities. He has never tried to cut someone in half with a portal. He has never tried to turn someone into butterflies. But, of course, that is the first thing people type as his victory scenarios. Brf is the only one that seems plausible, but even that has issues. We have no idea where Strange would even bfr him to. He is not Loki, it could be a place Kal-El could easily escape with flight. This also assumes Kal can not simply dodge the portal.

This fight is a mismatch. Kal-El closes the distance (because it is not in-character for him to kite with heat vision or throw things), Strange tries to counter with his cqc go-to (a rope), Kal-El punches him. The End.

Strange could not beat Maw even with the time stone. He is out of his depth.

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#15  Edited By InFrontOff

@TheGrat1: Superman can get hurt by magic same with doomsday get cut by sword magic.

Ebony maw not weak to magic.

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@baph: Don't bother with him. He reminds of that one guy that used to create alts to debate in his own thread against himself

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The fact that speed has to be equalised speaks volumes.

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@ready_4_madness: or it could be because the thread would be deleted cause no soles equalization thread already exists..

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#22  Edited By KingJupeter
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#24  Edited By KingJupeter

@ready_4_madness: Weapon amazon is magic they all in themyscira get create by zeus.

And sword magic create by god greek can hurt kryptonian.

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And movie shazam said just magic only can hurt they so it clear magic above superman / even kryptonian can't hurt shazam ( because they no have magic )

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@kingjupeter: “only magic can harm magic” he didn’t say Kryptonians. I know that Diana’s sword is made out of magic but that’s not proof that they’re weak to magic, that’s just proof that Diana can pierce a Kryptonian. Nowhere in the DCEU does it state that Kryptonians are weak to magic.

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#26  Edited By KingJupeter

@ready_4_madness: They not weak but risking to magic / magic can hurt kryptonian and they will pain.

It not same kryptonite.

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@matthew660:

Directors already confirmed that portal slicing doesn't work on extremely durable beings.

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Strange doesn't need speed equalized to beat Superman.

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Strange doesn't need speed equalized to beat Superman.

Yes, he does. Without it, it's a massive stomp due to strange being a glass cannon.

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Still Superman.

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Strange doesn't need speed equalized to beat Superman.

I doubt. He can use instantly heatvision and doubtfull Strange will react ( 20 meters distance is not enough to react ).

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@el-kun said:

Spite match in favour of strange

Any MCU top tier will beat Clark 10/10 without speed its a mismatch

lol thats a joke right? Who do you consider Top-Tier?

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Strange throws a mirror dimension gateway at him and Superman tries to bulrush through it only to be lost forever.

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@redshift_bacon: Thor,thanos,Carol,hela,Wanda,strange all shit stomps Clark with speed equalised

Supes fighting style relies heavily on his speed, he puches are telegraphed and with out speed he loses half it power and u can see d attack coming and seeing he is so less skilled Dan any I called Dere , dey can dance around him, crush him with tk or restrain him with d band of cytorak

3-4 hits from SB will put him on his ass for a while

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Strange one-shots with the Mirror Dimension. Clark needs countermagic or like the first 3 stones from IW.

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Strange BFR's him or traps him in the mirror dimension. He can't take Superman physically.

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@el-kun: Wanda shits on superman with equal speed? Are you trolling? Clark fries her head off with his heat vision.

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@TheGrat1:

He would be instantly BFR’d. Why is Kal allowed to fight at his best and Strange isn’t? This match is heavily in favor of Strange.

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Strange BFR Clark.

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Magik man beat strong farmer with simplest ease.

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Strange could win some even without speed equalized. Though not as much.. Stephens hax is something Clark wouldn't know how to deal with. His own cloak would keep Clark at Bay without the speed especially. Bricks like Clark don't fare well in this case

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@el-kun: It depends How speed is equalized. If their speed is brought up to his, Superman would still hit just as hard. But if he is lowered, then you have a good point.

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To everyone saying Doctor Strange's magic can hurt Supes:

Spatial dimensions by definition are science. 1d, 2d, 3d, 4d, it's all a matter of perspective on space. The reason higher dimension beings have so much more power is the same reason you, as a 3d creature, have infinite power over 2d. You can draw entire worlds, erase entire worlds, move 2d objects any way you please. And since 2d creatures can't comprehend 3d in terms of depth and shit, it would look extremely strange to them- objects slipping in and out of their single sheeted plane because there's no concept of up or down in 2d. The same can be said if a 4d or 5d object were to interact with our 3d world; they have infinite power over us and their usage of it would look incredibly strange, a lot like magic even. Especially since we're getting into theoretical physics and quantum mechanics at that point, it'd look reaaaallly weird if we could even comprehend 4d and above.

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Why_10_dimensions

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> "It's not a 'boiling cauldron, eye-of-newt' magic."

If "dimensions" refer to alternate realities instead of spatial dimensions, it's the Fantastic Four's entire job to explore those and they regularly come under a level of scientific understanding. How many alternate timelines, universes, or realities were beyond that? Was Old Man Logan beyond scientific understanding? How about Secret Wars Battleworld? Spider-Verse? Regardless, the filmmakers still dumbed it down to "It very much is a science issue." Hell, the existence of alternate dimensions in of itself requires a root in science, which is confirmed by the fact that Marvel follows a quantum multiverse model even in the movies (every choice creates a new time stream).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation (See decision theory)

By contrast, DC comics follow a bubble multiverse model (See their map of the multiverse)

The DCEU didn't explicitly state that science and magic are separate but Wonder Woman made it pretty obvious. The existence of the Greek gods, their abilities, their gear... There's plenty of evidence to suggest the gods are straight up magic, so you'd need to show evidence that overrides that proposition in order to say they're super scientific. For example, what about the Lasso of Truth? It works purely by having someone in its noose and it doesn't even need to touch the person's skin. It's clearly not some sort of aerosol because it'd work on everyone in the vicinity and the trigger mechanism makes no sense. Then there's stuff like lightning with no cloud cover, lightning literally coming out of Diana's bracer in JL, and how does one transfer the last of their dying power to create a god killer without any tech? And even if you could come up with a scientific explanation, that fails to prove that it's the correct explanation when the director's intent was obviously magic.

EDIT: Apparently Shazam made it explicitly clear that magic is its own thing with Dr. Sivana's statement. So, the "Z" in Shazam stands for "Power of Zeus," meaning Zeus is magical in nature, along with Hercules, Atlas, Achilles, and Mercury.

To go one step further than that, here's the thing: you're trying to say that MCU magic translates to DCEU. Everything I just said shows consistent differences in the magic between Marvel and DC's comics, movies, and scientific multiverse models. If you want to say that the MCU and DCEU have the same magic, here's a list of things you need to demonstrate:

1. You need to demonstrate that the DCEU is even part of a greater multiverse

2. You need to demonstrate that the DCEU follows the quantum model for that multiverse

3. You need to demonstrate that the DCEU's magic functions by accessing the science of that multiverse

4. You need to demonstrate that not a shred of what the Greek gods did was another kind of magic

Only then can you say the MCU operates the same way as the DCEU. Good luck.

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Also, heat vision still hits Strange faster than he can move his hands, probably.

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@redshift_bacon: yea ur right, if speed is equalized to supes level den he maintains his monstrous strength and striking power and he might likely win,but if its too strange level he loses

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@xanman2000: u mean d same heat vison batman was avoiding

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@TheGrat1: I agree with you it annoys me so much in most threads you’ll see “bfr to the sun” “speedblitz neckbreaks” etc lol these will never happen with the heroes fighting in character and likely bloodlusted either.