Kingpin. Unworthy Thor's featless apart from fighting some fodder guards and being vaguely strong, while Kingpin has multiple impressive strength feats, as well as having great durability in the fights he has been in.
Thor's skill is apparently good, but besides statements, he really doesn't have much to actually legitimize these statements.
It's straight up stupid to compare Thor's skill to that of high level human fighters, like Daredevil or Hawkeye, but this isn't a high level fighter, it's freaking Fisk, a fatass with apparent knowledge in basic offensive techniques. Thor's on paper thousands of years of experience and training along with the fact that he's shown he can fight on some level apply here, and they put him way out of the Kingpin's league in hand to hand.
It's straight up stupid to compare Thor's skill to that of high level human fighters, like Daredevil or Hawkeye, but this isn't a high level fighter, it's freaking Fisk, a fatass with apparent knowledge in basic offensive techniques. Thor's on paper thousands of years of experience and training along with the fact that he's shown he can fight on some level apply here, and they put him way out of the Kingpin's league in hand to hand.
As far as fodder feats go, storming through a compound of SHIELD agents in armor is as good as it gets. It's honestly just as good as any scene of Matt fighting a dozen ninja. Thor has also shown to be more skilled than both Loki and Hela, great fighters. And fighting something as wild and unrelenting as the Hulk takes a lot of skill, don't underestimate those two showings.
If Thor can control the Hulk, then he can handle Fisk's fighting style. The strength gap might not even be as big as it was against the Hulk, Thor and Fisk are about the same size.
If Thor had fought a dozen SHIELD agents that surrounded him, you'd have a point. All he did was storm in a compound of agents waiting for him in a gauntlet-style fashion. And he did not even take them out skillfully, he outright wrestled with the last guy.
Fighting the Hulk is not impressive skill-wise, my grandma is a better martial artist than the Hulk. Guy's the definition of a mindless brute.
Yes, fighting Hela, Loki and Asgardians in general are solid demonstration of fighting ability, this still doesn't compare to the very best fighters in the world.
If Thor had fought a dozen SHIELD agents that surrounded him, you'd have a point. All he did was storm in a compound of agents waiting for him in a gauntlet-style fashion. And he did not even take them out skillfully, he outright wrestled with the last guy.
Fighting the Hulk is not impressive skill-wise, my grandma is a better martial artist than the Hulk. Guy's the definition of a mindless brute.
Yes, fighting Hela, Loki and Asgardians in general are solid demonstration of fighting ability, this still doesn't compare to the very best fighters in the world.
Yeah the feat could be better, but let's take it for what it is. It's still very impressive, and not too far off from any one of Daredevil's fodder fights. Daredevil just has more showings, which comes down to the nature of his story. Thor has less showings but his abilities are still pretty similar.
Now if you are supporting Daredevil, a guy whose greatest battles were against Wilson Fisk, you should know that martial arts is not the only way to fight. Being effectively mindless is a HUGE advantage to the Hulk. All the training in the world isn't a substitute for being mindless, and relentless, and genuinely not giving a crap about taking damage. The Hulk is a beast to fight mano y mano because he is completely wild and unpredictable.
Daredevil's best feats aren't his fights with Wilson Fisk at all. If he struggled with Fisk today, I'd take it as a low showing. Guys fought actually skilled people like fighters from the Hand.
Daredevil's best feats aren't his fights with Wilson Fisk at all. If he struggled with Fisk today, I'd take it as a low showing. Guys fought actually skilled people like fighters from the Hand.
I didn't say that his best feats are fighting Wilson Fisk, I said those were his greatest battles. As in the most challenging and epic for him. Didn't you see the S3 finale?
Siding with Fisk. Having a skill advantage is not enough against Fisk. He's too durable to be put down quickly by punches and he's freakishly strong. Dex was skilled enough to beat multiple FBI agents at once in CQC, yet he didn't stand a chance against Fisk and ultimately got crippled by him despite wearing an armored suit.
Depowered Thor is pretty strong but still pales in comparison to someone who could crack off chunks of a brick wall, use a car door to liquify a person's head, throw a 400+ lbs barbell onto his attacker despite being stabbed, and even kill a man with a few punches to the face. And I don't think he's far better in skill to Dex to the point where he would greatly outperform him against Fisk. He would do better but not enough for a win.
Kingpin wins. I know he's being looked at as just a fat dude, but I don't know why we're pretending his durability and strength aren't near superhuman, or like he hasn't beaten the hell out of Dex and Matt. Thor hasn't shown anywhere near their level of skill, nor are his physicals that impressive.
I'm going with Fisk as well. His strength is super-human. Dex was beating Daredevil despite being a worse fighter, in a large part because of the suit protecting him. Fisk had no issues because of his unreal strength. How many 45's did he have on that bench? It was insane.
@greysentinel365: @indomitableregal: @iamthelaw: Thor and Fisk are practically the same size..Thor is 6’3, Fisk is 6’4. And both of them weigh over 100 kg. Only difference is Thor is all muscle and Fisk is fat as shit....and you seem to be forgetting thor beat a person stronger than him before in Thor 1.
@greysentinel365: @indomitableregal: @iamthelaw: Thor and Fisk are practically the same size..Thor is 6’3, Fisk is 6’4. And both of them weigh over 100 kg. Only difference is Thor is all muscle and Fisk is fat as shit....
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