MCU Defenders vs MCU Street level Avengers

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#1 Posted by Firedude17 (1531 posts) - - Show Bio

Defenders:

Daredevil

Jessica Jones

Luke Cage

Iron Fist

Vs

Avengers:

Captain America

Winter Soldier

Black Panther

Black Widow

Airport fight, who wins?

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#2 Posted by Wewlad80 (3411 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap Solos

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#3 Posted by King_Nomarch (2115 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers

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#4 Posted by killraven4334 (1170 posts) - - Show Bio

@wewlad80 said:

Cap Solos

maybe, but with even a single person as backup he wins, doesn't even have to be an avenger, heck, agent 13 or maria hill backing him up and he takes this, with bucky and widow? got us some dead new yorkers

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#5 Posted by PSA (3 posts) - - Show Bio

The Avengers win due to gear, but Nat and Bucky go down. Luke Cage and Danny Rand make them work for the victory.

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#6 Posted by cfrehse (2902 posts) - - Show Bio

Defenders win. Danny beats any of them 1v1 except maybe cap. DD holds his own against any of them jones has the power to KO any of them and cage is their trump card. Close fight but danny and cage are the reason defenders win.

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#7 Posted by jayskee (4955 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on gear

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#8 Posted by AlmightyAmortal (951 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers.

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#9 Posted by deactivated-5a46927fc5463 (2849 posts) - - Show Bio

@cfrehse:

MCU BP is arguably the best fighter on the avengers, probably even better than Cap. I would love to see him fight Danny.Captain America would beat DD in a good fight. Jessica Jones would beat Natasha. But I don't see how any of the Avengers can hurt Luke...

Defenders FTW

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#10 Posted by Delta16807 (482 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers, easily. Steve and Winter Soldier can hurt Cage simply by power (and vibranium shield as weapon on top).

And BPs Vibranium claws go through his skin like butter, just like Cap's shield, that is undamaged by guns, explosions, hulk, etc until claws scratched it.

Each avenger has fought people stronger than the strongest defender...

Mismatch. Avengerss stomp 100/100 times.

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#11 Posted by deactivated-5a89ca5697052 (8063 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers.

Cap is the most powerful Character in here. He can beat Danny.

DD and Jessica are non factor and Luke can not beat BP and Bucky at the same time.

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#13 Posted by deactivated-5a46927fc5463 (2849 posts) - - Show Bio

@delta16807:

I doubt Bucky and Cap can hurt Luke out of their own power, but BP's claws might cut him. If BP goes against Luke, avengers will win. If he doesn't, Defenders have a good chance.

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#14 Posted by TheSuperor (6957 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist solos with a leopard punch

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#15 Posted by killraven4334 (1170 posts) - - Show Bio

@bladeoffury: uhh what? cap and bucky hurt iron man who is leagues more durable than Cage

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#16 Posted by Delta16807 (482 posts) - - Show Bio

@bladeoffury:

Cap fought Loki, and despite him wanting to be captured - shows me he can hurt Cage. I don't buy 'neither can hurt Cage, but BP might'. All can but Black Widow - who can solo JJ, and beat DD for them, and evade Cage, Danny like she did Hulk, etc.

This cannot be won by the defenders.

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#18 Edited by deactivated-5a46927fc5463 (2849 posts) - - Show Bio

@killraven4334 said:

@bladeoffury: uhh what? cap and bucky hurt iron man who is leagues more durable than Cage

  1. They double teamed him, neither of them could have done anything alone
  2. They got hurt really bad
  3. They did not actually break the armor, they only won because Tony (unlike Luke) has an exposed arc reactor. Luke also does not have a helmet that can be punched off.
  4. I don't believe MCU Iron Man is much more durable than Luke (whose main power is durability). Any proof?
@delta16807 said:

@bladeoffury:

Cap fought Loki, and despite him wanting to be captured - shows me he can hurt Cage. I don't buy 'neither can hurt Cage, but BP might'. All can but Black Widow - who can solo JJ, and beat DD for them, and evade Cage, Danny like she did Hulk, etc.

This cannot be won by the defenders.

What does Captain America fighting Loki have to do with him hurting Cage? Cap didn't seem to hurt Loki either, it was Tony who flew in, blasted Loki, and "won."

Please prove that Cap or Bucky can do better against Luke than that Bazooka, which did nothing.

It is highly improbable that Natasha can beat DD and Danny.

This cannot be won by the defenders.

Debatable.

If Luke takes Cap, Danny takes BP, DD takes Bucky, and JJ takes Natasha, defenders have a good chance. Luke would win against Cap, Black Widow would beat Jessica, Danny would hold BP, and DD would hold Bucky. Then, Luke ignores Natasha while helping DD against Bucky or Danny against BP.

Same will happen if Luke takes Bucky instead.

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#19 Posted by FirestormFate1919 (6217 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap should be able to take down Danny unless he leads with that shockwave strike, but he only did that once, and even then it didn't actually KO anyone. Danny's wildly inconsistent (one minute he's fodderizing dudes, the next he's doing poorly against a random thug), so despite having some great feats, Cap's baseline is just much higher. Danny is very lacking in effectively utilizing his Chi and he can only really use it once, and that hit can easily be wasted on the shield. He doesn't even use it every fight. Cap 8/10.

Panther is uniquely suited to take on Cage, due to the Vibranium Claws and being able to take some hits. With speed and comparable durability, the claws should be enough to harm Cage. Panther 8/10

Bucky takes down Daredevil pretty handily, outmatching him pretty much everywhere but skill. Bucky 8/10.

Widow should have no problem taking down Jessica with ranged weaponry, since her durability's pretty weak. Natasha 10/10.

On the off chance one of them lose their individual matches, the others close it down. Avengers definitely win this.

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#20 Posted by deactivated-5a46927fc5463 (2849 posts) - - Show Bio

@firestormfate1919:

In the scenario you provided, Avenger would indeed win. But if Luke fought anyone other than Panther, the outcome may may very well be different.

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#21 Posted by PantyPolice (779 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly Jessica Jones is the weakness here, she's not skilled at all and can't simply tank lethal blows like Luke Cage can.

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#22 Posted by deactivated-5a46927fc5463 (2849 posts) - - Show Bio

@pantypolice:

I agree. She couldn't even take a blow to the head by her angry neighbour...

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#23 Posted by Yarva (2937 posts) - - Show Bio
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#24 Posted by Amendment50 (15870 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers quite handily. Jessica has physical strength on par with Cap, Luke even greater, but they're outclassed in speed and skill and can both be taken down without too much trouble- if nothing else Widow still has Widow Bites which will undoubtedly down Cage.

Matt's more or less a non-factor and Danny's Iron Fist will only take him so far.

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#25 Posted by Paytience (5202 posts) - - Show Bio

lol...seriously though...Cap solos. Bucky solos. Panther solos. Widow could solo with gear.

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#26 Posted by Slater8486 (461 posts) - - Show Bio

Defenders:

Daredevil

Jessica Jones

Luke Cage

Iron Fist

Vs

Avengers:

Captain America

Winter Soldier

Black Panther

Black Widow

Airport fight, who wins?

Really need to state whether they have gear or not,

All people are assuming so but no one is bringing Bucky's gear into play. If Cap is allowed his shield, window allowed her tech. BP with suit is probably more like a standard as same as Dare Devil.

If they do have the gear as most comments stated its a four vs one as bucky just shoots DD, Ironfist and Jessica from the get go.

If it is a hand to hand fight which makes this more interesting then I think Jessica would beat Widow, for all her fancy acrobats all Jessica needs is one hit or to grab her once.

OP please state gear.

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#27 Edited by Darvvvinn (89 posts) - - Show Bio

@delta16807: I don't think MCU black widow would beat daredevil. 1v1 he is a better fighter and black widow is all about her toys.

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#28 Posted by deactivated-5b0ff1f569a57 (4213 posts) - - Show Bio

Could go either way.

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#29 Posted by HellionVulcan (7300 posts) - - Show Bio

If it's hand to hand only, i can see the Defenders barely winning but with gear Avengers stomp.

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#30 Edited by Greysentinel365 (6434 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers win due to gear advantage. H2H Defenders might win.

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#31 Posted by Mutant1230 (6895 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers

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#32 Posted by deactivated-5bb6a6f86dc65 (4972 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers curbstomp.

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#33 Posted by Airgetlam (584 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap has a decent shot at soloing, Avengers curbstomp.

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#34 Posted by jashro44 (54527 posts) - - Show Bio

lol...seriously though...Cap solos. Bucky solos. Panther solos. Widow could solo with gear.

I haven't seen defenders but can Widow take out Luke?

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#35 Edited by Superhero24 (4766 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44:

depends on how strong her gear is with her. I don't think her electricity tech isn't powerful enough.

She isn't going to solo imo. BP with gear could and Cap soloing with his shield is iffy. Hawkeye with gear should solo with those op arrows. Spoilers: Luke was hit by a dump truck and wasn't knocked out. He was also hit by a chi punch and it sent him flying making a big shockwave and even that didn't knock him out. The mcu team wins for sure though in a stomp.

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#36 Posted by Paytience (5202 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Like I said, with gear, possibly...

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#37 Posted by Darvvvinn (89 posts) - - Show Bio

@ithemanwithoutfeari: Daredevil non factor? In MCU he is as good at fighting as Danny except he can't control his chi.

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#38 Edited by Darvvvinn (89 posts) - - Show Bio

@paytience: maybe luke but not all of them at once. Truth is none of them could solo defenders because there are four of them and for example cap would have a tough time with luke alone or even daredevil which was considered non-factor by a lot of people here.

If Jess manage to punch Black Widow and knock her down, Luke goes on Black Panther, Matt on Bucky and Danny on Cap defenders win. Otherwise avengers probably win in a decent fight.

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#39 Posted by deactivated-5a89ca5697052 (8063 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers.

Either Cap or BP potentially solo.

Both at the same time stomp.

4 vs 4 is a mismatch.

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#40 Edited by Paytience (5202 posts) - - Show Bio

@darvvvinn: That isn't true. Cap and WS both have enough damage output to one shot luke with a shot to the chin. Black Sky did it and a shotgun did it. Look up other threads for calcs...caps punching powers eclipses the amount of energy in a shotgun blast and has literally THOUSANDS of times more momentum which is what is important when knocking someone out.

JJ is fodder to all 4 of the Avengers and quite frankly, so is Danny. Daredevil is demonstrably a far better fighter than Danny...unfortunately, he isn't better than Cap and Panther and Bucky both have huge physical edges on him.

No one on the defenders have anything to get through Panther's suit either.

Avengers stomp almost anyway you line it up. Panther fights luke who cannot get through his suit...however Panthers Vibranium CAN cut luke...judas bullets show us his skin can be penetrated, and Vibranium is from what we've seen, superior to the Chitauri metal used for those bullets.

JJ get's crushed by WS...DD loses hard to cap. IF shouldn't be able to last long at all against a geared widow, and even if he does, the numbers will quickly swing in the Avengers favor.

Simply put, no matter who you put JJ up against she loses quickly, and one of the defenders gets tag teamed in what is already a losing fight. Alternately, Widow is capable of fighting JJ just fine, while the supers annihilate IF and DD.

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#41 Posted by zackg (1179 posts) - - Show Bio

@bladeoffury: Really? Just by saying his shield and Bucky punching the armor they were denting and tearing into it. Just Cap alone would have done it. Hell he did 95% of the damage himself. The exposed reactor didnt negate his durability, it simply game Cap a way to shut the suit down. A weaker suit was hit by a tank she'll and was fine.

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#42 Posted by buildhare (8826 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:
@paytience said:

lol...seriously though...Cap solos. Bucky solos. Panther solos. Widow could solo with gear.

I haven't seen defenders but can Widow take out Luke?

Not at all.

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#43 Posted by deactivated-5a46927fc5463 (2849 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers stomp.

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#44 Posted by Zuriel-el (3620 posts) - - Show Bio

avengers win

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#45 Posted by cfrehse (2902 posts) - - Show Bio

Daredevil solos. He does several spin flips dodges a ton and spits up blood after tanking large hits then stomps.

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#46 Posted by JediXMan (42894 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers stomp.

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#48 Edited by jumpstart55 (11025 posts) - - Show Bio
  • MCU Street Level Avengers absolutely crush stomp the defenders...Superior physicals and better tech plus equal h2h skills.
  • Jessica Jones is strong but she lacks the skill to compete with BP,Bucky and Cap...Which is why they would effortlessy defeat her.
  • Danny is skilled but hes kinda sloppy and at times seems somewhat slow espeically compared to Bucky,Cap and BP.
  • Daredevil is the most skilled from the defenders(Probably equal to Cap and T,challa) but his physicals are laughable compared to the three headed monster in the Avengers....Either Bucky,Cap or BP would effortlessly overpower him without breaking a sweat.
  • Luke is strong but he lack skills and can be overwhelmed by Caps shield,Buck's Arm and Tchlla Viburnum suit...All of which are being utilized by guys with formidable Superhuman stregth in their own right with a shit load of h2h skills to match.

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#49 Posted by john_doe_0897 (3386 posts) - - Show Bio

This is worthy of debate. With knowledge i would back the Avengers team. Cap doesn't have the morals people think and with a no holding back shield throw, Luke should get KOd eventually since a shotgun blast did the trick. No one can probably hurt BP with his armor either tho i dont know that his claws can hurt Luke. I wonder how BP would fair against a chi punch

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#50 Posted by nerdchore (8254 posts) - - Show Bio

Make it h2h

That being said id back defenders after their show.