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#51 Edited by Tyger (461 posts) - - Show Bio

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@tyger:

Still skill

Not really, she had a huge reach advantage and a one shot weapon.

It's funny how you can't read because I never said she won and I clearly said they could briefly hold their own with mid tiers like Corvus

You need to learn to read, because I didn't claim that you said that they won. It's hardly impressive as she lost in 5 seconds lol.

Corvus Glaive would stomp Daredevil. Okoye would beat him in a decent fight

Matt would be able to hold his own against Corvus for longer than the Doras did.

Okoye would not beat Matt, i'll CaV it if you want.

I feel like you've never even watched Daredevil or any of the Netflix shows.

  • Yes it is. It's not a one shot weapon they are just that good. Stop downplaying as if the spear has an instant death mod
  • Nope it's still you because of your first ignorant response making it seem as if I purposely cropped the video to hide the fact that she lost. In reality I didn't even make that gif, genius.
  • Corvus one shots him. His pathetic little sticks aren't blocking any attack from Corvus
  • How about a hell no, Okoye only has 2 movies, like 4 fight sequences and less than 10 minutes of feats, just enough to fill half of a first post as opposed to Matt having an entire series. Why you would even suggest this goes to show how uninformed you are. Okoye still beats him though, she ranks higher than him in both combat and status by feats and statements.
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#52 Posted by ANTHP2000 (26861 posts) - - Show Bio

I would honestly CaV this if anyone is interested.

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#53 Edited by Alavanka (2584 posts) - - Show Bio
@jayc1324 said:

The only good feats the Dora Miljae have are from fighting one man in a group giving themselves a huge numbers advantage (they still lost anyway) and fighting aliens with no IQ points and a deathwish (Outriders literally run right into their deaths, not just against Dora MIljae but against Thor as well)

I wouldn't underestimate the outriders here. A group of them can overwhelm the Hulbuster suit. 3 of them pinned Captain America. 2 of them were throwing around Panther like a ragdoll. And to be fair, the outriders eventually learned to run away from Thor. In fact, they were running back to their motherships and trying to take off for a full scale retreat. Not it made a difference when Thor chased them down, and blew up the ships.

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Danny is noticably below Matt in regards to fighting ability so this applies to him way more, and bullet timing is reaction speed, doesn't matter much in a melee encounter like this.

Danny can shoot a bullet out of midair from a couple feet away. If he has the reaction time and accuracy to hit that bullet, he can shoot at least one of the Dora in the head before they close the 15 feet gap. And then shoot the other Doras in the head before they kill his friends.

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The only times vibranium has pierced vibranium was when it was Cap's shield which is unspecified amount of vibranium mixed with other metals and was cut by BP's pure claws, a car laced with weak layer of vibranium stabbed through with a pure spear, and vibranium weapons going through vibranium weave. Vibranium weave >>> Luke Cage skin.

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She also has a solid reach advantage over Matt, with a 5.5 feet long spear that can blast canons, electrify people (which will one shot Matt given he got knocked out by Fisk's old dude with a random taser) and cut through solid vibranium like butter.

Whilst I don't doubt that Okoye's vibranium spear can pierce Cage's skin, I don't recall Okoye ever cutting through vibranium. If you're referring to the car chase scene where she speared a car, that car wasn't vibranium. The vibranium cars were being used by T'Challa and the Dora Milaje, and Ulysses Klaue busted them all with his arm mounted sonic canon.

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#54 Posted by ANTHP2000 (26861 posts) - - Show Bio

@alavanka:

No I'm pretty sure Nakia's car was vibranium.

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#55 Edited by Alavanka (2584 posts) - - Show Bio

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@alavanka:

No I'm pretty sure Nakia's car was vibranium.

Yes....?

T'Challa's car was vibranium, the one that Shuri was driving remotely. The car that Okoye was standing on is also vibranium, and I think Nakia was driving that one too. Ulysses Klaue busted both those cars with his sonic canon. Okoye threw her spear through the car of Ulysses's men, which wasn't made out of vibranium.

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#56 Posted by ANTHP2000 (26861 posts) - - Show Bio

@alavanka: Exactly what I said. The one Okoye was standing on was vibranium, and she cut clean through the roof. Shuri (or Nakia) said "Jeeeesh" in reaction to that.

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#57 Edited by Alavanka (2584 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: Ah I see, I missed the part where she stabbed the roof.

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#58 Posted by ANTHP2000 (26861 posts) - - Show Bio
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#59 Posted by ANTHP2000 (26861 posts) - - Show Bio

I would honestly CaV this if anyone is interested.

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#60 Edited by webinyoureye11 (5698 posts) - - Show Bio
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#61 Posted by ANTHP2000 (26861 posts) - - Show Bio

@webinyoureye11: Thanks for providing it. It's insane how effortless it was, the spears are OP.

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#62 Posted by Sy8000 (35212 posts) - - Show Bio

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@sy8000: Lmao did you even watch the movie? T'Challa's suit is indestructible because it's pure vibranium. Nothing is getting through it, that's not an indicator that the fodder weren't strong enough, there is literally a plot point made in the film about this when the Black Panther suits needed to be destabilized in order to damage the user.

The only times vibranium has pierced vibranium was when it was Cap's shield which is unspecified amount of vibranium mixed with other metals and was cut by BP's pure claws, a car laced with weak layer of vibranium stabbed through with a pure spear, and vibranium weapons going through vibranium weave. Vibranium weave >>> Luke Cage skin.

T'Challa's suit is just as much Vibranium as the weapons every Wakandan uses. I don't recall it being stated otherwise. His suit was penetrated by vibranium bullets in the tie-in comic.

I'm not saying Luke is more durable than vibranium or T'Challa's suit. I'm saying vibranium blades don't have the feats to cut him when wielded by peak humans. T'Challa cut Cap's shield, but other wakandans couldn't cut him or Killmonger. Which suggests superhuman strength is required for high-end cutting feats. And even then, Killmonger and T'Challa couldn't cut each other despite their suits being much thinner than Cap's shield.

I'm not sure where also of this about secondary/diluted vibranium is coming from. That's never been mentioned to my memory.

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#63 Posted by Tyger (461 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: Well it wasn't solid vibranium, like the glass of the car it was just laced with a layer of it to make it impervious to conventional means of damage

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#64 Posted by Matthew660 (1645 posts) - - Show Bio

Defenders, luke and Danny mvp

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#65 Posted by ckaep12 (23 posts) - - Show Bio

Defenders stomp.

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#66 Edited by Alavanka (2584 posts) - - Show Bio

I must admit, I was briefly impressed by Okoye's spear. Until I remembered that Ulysses' arm cannon could completely obliterate that car, and yet barely does anything to Black Kitty. Again, Killmonger with an America grenade launcher can do better fighting Wakanda's cosplaying king. Killmonger's biggest mistake was joining the furry movement instead of sticking with his guns. Still not seeing how the elite explorers handles Danny.

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#67 Posted by webinyoureye11 (5698 posts) - - Show Bio

@alavanka: Tbf, the Hood was just dented. It’s possible only the body was laced with vibranium while everything underneath was standard materials. Otherwise I don’t know how to explain the hood being relatively fine while the rest of the car was destroyed

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#68 Posted by Alavanka (2584 posts) - - Show Bio

@webinyoureye11: He also took a shot at Shuri's car, and I'm pretty sure the hood caved in pretty bad on that one.

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#69 Posted by webinyoureye11 (5698 posts) - - Show Bio

@alavanka: true, but also the rest of the car was in better shape then the first. that gun is just weird

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#70 Edited by Tyger (461 posts) - - Show Bio

@alavanka: Did you watch the movie? Shuri's "car" isn't even hers. It's a stolen one that she is using remote access technology to drive. We literally see Shuri tell T'Challa to bring them with him to Busan and we see Okoye throw it onto a random car as they run out the casino. So Klaue destroying it isn't noteworthy especially when throughout the scene the car was being damaged by bullets and had shattered windows all over

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#71 Posted by DrPepperMan (6288 posts) - - Show Bio

What's stopping Luke from grabbing the Spears and throwing them away?

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#72 Posted by Alavanka (2584 posts) - - Show Bio

@tyger: It's been a while. Fair enough, I guess that Shuri's car wasn't anything impressive. Though Klaue basically wrecked the vibranium car Okoye was on, so it's not really that important. Okoye didn't stab the hood anyways. She stabbed through the top of the roof, and I'm pretty sure most of the metal there is shredded by the sonic cannon.

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#73 Edited by Subline (7798 posts) - - Show Bio

@tyger:

Yes it is. It's not a one shot weapon they are just that good. Stop downplaying as if the spear has an instant death mod

It is a one shot weapon though, it's a Vibranium Spear, they were going down after 1 simple hit, that's what one shotting is.

Nope it's still you because of your first ignorant response making it seem as if I purposely cropped the video to hide the fact that she lost. In reality I didn't even make that gif, genius.

If you didn't make the gif you could've at least mentioned how she lost in 5 seconds.

Corvus one shots him. His pathetic little sticks aren't blocking any attack from Corvus

Matt fought Elektra at a reach disadvantage, he can do the same to Corvus for longer than Doras could. Especially since Elektra is far more skilled than Corvus.

How about a hell no, Okoye only has 2 movies, like 4 fight sequences and less than 10 minutes of feats, just enough to fill half of a first post as opposed to Matt having an entire series. Why you would even suggest this goes to show how uninformed you are. Okoye still beats him though, she ranks higher than him in both combat and status by feats and statements.

Time doesn't matter, quality of the feats matter.

If you actually believed Okoye wins, you wouldn't be so scared to CaV me.

I offered you a CaV because you said Okoye wins, how does that makeme mis-informed?

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#74 Posted by Tyger (461 posts) - - Show Bio

@alavanka said:

@tyger: It's been a while. Fair enough, I guess that Shuri's car wasn't anything impressive. Though Klaue basically wrecked the vibranium car Okoye was on, so it's not really that important. Okoye didn't stab the hood anyways. She stabbed through the top of the roof, and I'm pretty sure most of the metal there is shredded by the sonic cannon.

Klaue's blast only dismantled the outer parts car and left minor indentations, besides that everything was fully intact as it rolled down the hill, which is how Nakia was still in the drivers seat holding onto the wheel, and both were unharmed. Klaue's blast completely crushed the regular car.

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@subline said:

@tyger:

Yes it is. It's not a one shot weapon they are just that good. Stop downplaying as if the spear has an instant death mod

It is a one shot weapon though, it's a Vibranium Spear, they were going down after 1 simple hit, that's what one shotting is.

Nope it's still you because of your first ignorant response making it seem as if I purposely cropped the video to hide the fact that she lost. In reality I didn't even make that gif, genius.

If you didn't make the gif you could've at least mentioned how she lost in 5 seconds.

Corvus one shots him. His pathetic little sticks aren't blocking any attack from Corvus

Matt fought Elektra at a reach disadvantage, he can do the same to Corvus for longer than Doras could. Especially since Elektra is far more skilled than Corvus.

How about a hell no, Okoye only has 2 movies, like 4 fight sequences and less than 10 minutes of feats, just enough to fill half of a first post as opposed to Matt having an entire series. Why you would even suggest this goes to show how uninformed you are. Okoye still beats him though, she ranks higher than him in both combat and status by feats and statements.

Time doesn't matter, quality of the feats matter.

If you actually believed Okoye wins, you wouldn't be so scared to CaV me.

I offered you a CaV because you said Okoye wins, how does that makeme mis-informed?

  • No it's not you sound dumb. Vibranium is just a material it doesn't have magical one shot properties, you look even stupider especially when not only do we see Cap and Black Panther having to hit them multiple times with their vibranium weapons, you can also see some of the fodder in the background being given solid fights by the Outriders too. One shotting them is a matter of skill and technique.
  • If you knew how to read properly you wouldn't even get confused so go look up the definition of "briefly" because I explicitly stated that. Also anyone who has seen the movie would not need any dumb confirmation of that
  • No he couldn't and no she isn't. Corvus stomps both.
  • Time and amount of feats does matter and the fact that you are this ignorant concerns me. Only a pathetic fool would suggest such a CaV. Go CaV your mother, maybe she is up for looking stupid as she repeats the same 7 feats in every post whilst making primarily debating on word of mouth as opposed to 3 13 episode seasons of Darechump.
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#75 Edited by Subline (7798 posts) - - Show Bio

@tyger: How can you be this stupid? If you believe Okoye beats Matt then CaV me, don't bring up irrelevant details like screentime. If Okoye has the feats to win, why are you so scared? You clearly are an ignorant fool who knows nothing about the netflix shows.

I'm not wasting any more time with you.

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#76 Posted by Tyger (461 posts) - - Show Bio

@subline said:

@tyger: How can you be this stupid? If you believe Okoye beats Matt then CaV me, don't bring up irrelevant details like screentime. If Okoye has the feats to win, why are you so scared? You clearly are an ignorant fool who knows nothing about the netflix shows.

I'm not wasting any more time with you.

Bye dumbass. The fact that you copied every insult I flung at you and still fail to realize why the CaV wouldn't work confirms you are mentally challenged.

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#77 Posted by Subline (7798 posts) - - Show Bio

@tyger: It's funny how you say I copied your arguments, while you called me ignorant despite knowing nothing about the netflix shows. Clearly you aren't a familiar member of the site, abd clearly you've never done a CaV before. I'm doing a CaV with DCEU Batman against Grant Ward, Batman has around 20 minutes of feats. Whereas ward has 3 seasons, doesn't change anything moron.

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#78 Posted by Tyger (461 posts) - - Show Bio

@subline: Even though your dumbass about to lose atleast Batman is a focus character who would get nothing but high ends any way

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#79 Posted by Subline (7798 posts) - - Show Bio

@tyger: How do you know I'm losing, I guarantee you havn't even read the CaV lol.

And you really can't call me a bad debater when you're too scared to CaV me yourself.

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#80 Posted by Tyger (461 posts) - - Show Bio

@subline: Shut up already loser and go get stomped out

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#81 Posted by ANTHP2000 (26861 posts) - - Show Bio

Oof

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#82 Posted by mexcomics2078 (2631 posts) - - Show Bio

Defenders win.Luke as MVP.Jessica dies though

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#83 Posted by Subline (7798 posts) - - Show Bio

@tyger said:

@subline: Shut up already loser and go get stomped out

Ngl, You may well be the worst debater I have ever encountered.

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#84 Edited by Alavanka (2584 posts) - - Show Bio

@tyger: Dude the car was thoroughly busted. The only thing that was "intact" was the drivers seat and the wheel. And like the plate which Okoye ended up standing on, which was dented. Everything else, like the doors, the other 4 seats, the engine, the frame, the roof... All of it is shrapnel. Like 90% of that car is just gone. The bottom line is that Klaue's sonic canon did more damage to that vibranium car than Okoye ever did.

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#85 Posted by DrPepperMan (6288 posts) - - Show Bio

I ask again, why can't Luke throw their weapons away? And why can't Danny just one shot them?

I haven't seen any of the Netflix shows but I have seen both movies with the Dora in them. I'm asking legit questionw here. Is there any reason at all that Luke and IF can't do what I just said?

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#86 Posted by Tyger (461 posts) - - Show Bio

@alavanka: Lots of pieces were intact. Well that's obvious that it did more damage, are you trying to downplay the spear because a cannon did more damage? It'd be like me pointing out that a rpg did more damage to a sofa than a knife, why even point it out?

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#87 Edited by DSTREET45 (5280 posts) - - Show Bio

@drpepperman said:

What's stopping Luke from grabbing the Spears and throwing them away?

Because according to some of the posts heren despite his established training and fighting experience against a skilled opponent in Bushmaster, apparently Luke is too slow and unskilled to avoid getting one shotted. And apparently a Dora Milaje having a five second fight against Corvus before being stomped is enough to say that she could beat Luke with no problems.

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#88 Posted by DSTREET45 (5280 posts) - - Show Bio

Still Defenders. Everyone outside of a morals-on Jessica can more than pull their own weight in this fight.

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#89 Edited by Alavanka (2584 posts) - - Show Bio

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@alavanka: Lots of pieces were intact. Well that's obvious that it did more damage, are you trying to downplay the spear because a cannon did more damage? It'd be like me pointing out that a rpg did more damage to a sofa than a knife, why even point it out?

That car was as busted as I've ever seen a car get busted. Klaue's cannon also did less damage to T'Challa than Killmonger's grenade launcher. Panther shrugged off Klaue's cannon, whereas Killmonger knocked down T'Challa. So again, I'm not seeing anything Okoye and the 4 Dora Milaje can do that Killmonger with his rpg can't really replicate. People made it sound like Okoye's spear could have oneshotted Killmonger through his Panther suit or punch through Cap's shield.

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#90 Edited by Tyger (461 posts) - - Show Bio

@alavanka said:
@tyger said:

@alavanka: Lots of pieces were intact. Well that's obvious that it did more damage, are you trying to downplay the spear because a cannon did more damage? It'd be like me pointing out that a rpg did more damage to a sofa than a knife, why even point it out?

That car was as busted as I've ever seen a car get busted. Klaue's cannon also did less damage to T'Challa than Killmonger's grenade launcher. Panther shrugged off Klaue's cannon, whereas Killmonger knocked down T'Challa. So again, I'm not seeing anything Okoye and the 4 Dora Milaje can do that Killmonger with his rpg can't really replicate. People made it sound like Okoye's spear could have oneshotted Killmonger through his Panther suit or punch through Cap's shield.

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... Klaue was running low on energy at that point so nice try, clearly see it depower and he looks at it confusedly, not to mention the blast was smaller. The rpg is weaker than a fully powered blast from Klaue's cannon. Anyone who claims Okoye's spear can stab through the suit is dumb or blind, I hope you don't think I was intending to make that argument... The rpg damaged T'Challa's suit because of the sonic effect it had which vibranium is vulnerable to, on top of his suit overloading from the previous grenade, a spear is pure piercing and we literally see that it does nothing to the Panther suits, or even pure vibranium since we see the ritual shields hold up to vibranium weapons.

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#91 Posted by AlphaQ (6217 posts) - - Show Bio

If Danny caries guns now he just shoots them.