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#1 Posted by Subline (8400 posts) - - Show Bio
Daredevil
Daredevil

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Erik Killmonger
Erik Killmonger

Rules:

  • No prep.
  • Daredevil is current Post Season 3 Version and gets his Batons with his Black Ninja Suit.
  • Killmonger is Depowered and gets Ritual Gear.
  • In character, willing to kill.
  • Takes place in a Dojo.
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#3 Posted by ArkhamAsylum3 (3920 posts) - - Show Bio

Not finished S3 yet. Gonna avoid threads in case of spoilers. If he gets back to his Defenders level strength by the end of the season he stomps but otherwise not sure as of course I don't know his power level.

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#4 Posted by The_Magister (14268 posts) - - Show Bio

Going with Killmonger.

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#5 Posted by StormShadow_X (16766 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like season 3 proved that his Defender feats against Elektra don't hold up past that series, or maybe I'm just interpreting it wrong.

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#6 Edited by IndomitableRegal (16182 posts) - - Show Bio

Gonna leave this alone since I haven't seen season 3 yet. Defenders Matt wins though.

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#7 Posted by BatmanPlusJay (4195 posts) - - Show Bio

Definitely Goku. I heard he got toad sage mode in his fight with squirtle

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#8 Posted by Hypnos0929 (6652 posts) - - Show Bio

Killmonger after a hard fight. He just needs to be smart, his offensive fighting style might actually help him here

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#9 Posted by Amendment50 (15457 posts) - - Show Bio

Matt definitively.

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#10 Posted by BingoTheMotherload (627 posts) - - Show Bio

Make Daredevil deaf for this to be fair

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#11 Posted by TheKinfing (11787 posts) - - Show Bio

Going with Killmonger.

Bait.

I feel like season 3 proved that his Defender feats against Elektra don't hold up past that series, or maybe I'm just interpreting it wrong.

Matt was a physical mess for most of the season, it all happened during the span of a couple of weeks, he never actually recovered from his original injuries. Even then he was dominating Dex in thier mano a mano and holding his own against Kingpin whose feats are outright superhuman for MCU standards.

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#12 Posted by TonyMartial (9695 posts) - - Show Bio
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#13 Posted by LawCol (710 posts) - - Show Bio

Usually I'd go with Matt. But throughout S3, he seemed to struggle to put Bullseye down in H2H even with rope gloves. If that was due to the DD armor that Dex was wearing, then Matt wins (since ritual gear is bear chested). However, if it was because Matt's striking strength had diminished, then Killmonger wins (since he can take a hit and is better in H2H than Dex).

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#14 Posted by JediXMan (42713 posts) - - Show Bio

Matt.

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#15 Posted by Amendment50 (15457 posts) - - Show Bio

Outside of instances where he was obviously injured I really don't see what was unimpressive about S3 Matt at all.

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#16 Posted by Eeef (2120 posts) - - Show Bio

Daredevil wins in a all out fight with his batons.

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#17 Edited by GeorgeWBush (12167 posts) - - Show Bio

Matt

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#18 Posted by DeutschKurzhaar (1429 posts) - - Show Bio

Matt definitely takes this, in live action H2h he’s in a class of his own with cap. No one can beat matt in H2h.. period.

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#19 Posted by The_Red_Devil (4958 posts) - - Show Bio

Matt has the edge.

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#20 Posted by ANTHP2000 (27739 posts) - - Show Bio

Matt is clearly not in his prime, I think Killminger has a solid shot here.

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#21 Posted by juiceboks (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

It's hard to judge this since you're essentially just scaling from T'Challa, but at the same time their encounter had some context that makes Erik beating him to somewhat questionable.

Backing Matt since there's less room for interpretation with his feats in S3, and because I see him as above depowered T'Challa anyway.

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#22 Posted by Stefano (2547 posts) - - Show Bio

Season 3 Matt wasn’t that impressive, Erik wins

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#23 Posted by AngelJax (11752 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably Matt but I wouldn't be surprised if Erik won.

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#24 Posted by GraniteVision (3315 posts) - - Show Bio

DD 6/10

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#25 Posted by deactivated-5c15205dbdcac (503 posts) - - Show Bio

Going with Erik in a solid match

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#26 Posted by WolverineBatmanFTW (1474 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like without his weed induced superpowers, Erik would probably lose. Matt is one of the best fighters in the MCU.

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#27 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11922 posts) - - Show Bio

Would have to finish the season but probably Matt. He’s just on another level of skill imo.

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#28 Posted by Lan_Fan (14733 posts) - - Show Bio

Definitely Goku. I heard he got toad sage mode in his fight with squirtle

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#29 Posted by KingOfWakanda (2571 posts) - - Show Bio

Killmonger has the better weaponry here so I can see him taking a few. But Matt is definitely more skilled so he likely takes the majority.

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#30 Posted by ANTHP2000 (27739 posts) - - Show Bio
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#31 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio
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#32 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11922 posts) - - Show Bio
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#33 Posted by TonyMartial (9695 posts) - - Show Bio

@_kingoflatveria: proof then? because he thought dex just fine and never appeared to be weakened.

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#34 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

@tonymartial: he never appeared to be weakened the entire season, his injuries were made very clear in the first two episodes though.

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#35 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11922 posts) - - Show Bio

@tonymartial: after first fight with Dex he got two things stuck in (a scissor in his shoulder area and I forget what else) that was sure to cause some blood loss. He was kicked in the face and had that thing fall on him, too. He had to limp out of the building and that’s just what I remember.

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#36 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

Backing Killmonger, on Ep11 and not impressed much by S3 Matt.

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#37 Posted by TonyMartial (9695 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration: and? still what i said stands, he would've healed from those minor injuries and was fine after episode 5.

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#38 Posted by Sy8000 (35455 posts) - - Show Bio

There's really no argument for Killmonger. Matt never had significant periods of rest throughout the season so you can't hold being unimpressive against him when he already has better feats with just Defenders.

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#39 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration: and? still what i said stands, he would've healed from those minor injuries and was fine after episode 5.

unless it was stated he got better, you can just say he was lol. The only injury he clearly recovered from was his hearing I think

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#40 Posted by TonyMartial (9695 posts) - - Show Bio

@_kingoflatveria: what are you on about? he clearly was fine and had no problems like he did in hte early episodes. you're just being silly.

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#41 Edited by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

@_kingoflatveria: what are you on about? he clearly was fine and had no problems like he did in hte early episodes. you're just being silly.

this is bait

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#42 Posted by CitizenSurfer (2640 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like season 3 proved that his Defender feats against Elektra don't hold up past that series, or maybe I'm just interpreting it wrong.

You're definitely interpreting it wrong, they specifically showed us why Matt was not operating at the standards he was during that time, he's currently deaf in his right ear, so he's quite literally at 50%.

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#43 Posted by modernww2fare (7121 posts) - - Show Bio

Matt in his prime beats him for sure

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#44 Posted by jayskee (4880 posts) - - Show Bio

Matt by the end of season 3 beats Killmonger.

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#45 Posted by the_wspanialy (4083 posts) - - Show Bio

Matt wins.

There's nothing suggesting Killmonger is better than Punisher or Bullseye, two guys who Matt has dominated skillwise. His only herbless feat is defeating herbless T'Challa who:

  • is blatantly unimpressive
  • was most likely holding back
  • and/or was weakened by the depowering process

And since Killmonger has neither Punisher's durability nor Bullseye's armor...

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#46 Posted by StormShadow_X (16766 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizensurfer: Despite Matt saying Kingpin found someone just as skilled and fast as him? The way he said it implied that even in his prime he considered bullseye on his level as I don't see how kingpin would know how bad Matt had gotten due to his injuries from defenders

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#47 Edited by CitizenSurfer (2640 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormshadow_x said:

@citizensurfer: Despite Matt saying Kingpin found someone just as skilled and fast as him? The way he said it implied that even in his prime he considered bullseye on his level as I don't see how kingpin would know how bad Matt had gotten due to his injuries from defenders

I recommend you try and remember what Matt accomplished during the first 2 seasons of Daredevil as well as the 8 episodes of The Defenders and then compare it to what Matt has shown during season 3. Matt was capable of taking out Hand ninjas with little to no difficulty compared to Matt struggling to take out prison inmates during season 3.

I know it doesn't cover every feat performed, but I feel like the CAV I had against All-Father more or less reinforces my point that Daredevil has been drastically weakened due to his injuries sustained during the finale episode of The Defenders.

CAV: MCU Daredevil (CitizenSurfer) vs. Yuri Boyka (All-Father)

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#48 Posted by The_Magister (14268 posts) - - Show Bio

Karl Tanner should win, if this takes place in Gin Alley.

Matt.

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#49 Posted by ThorofAsgard (165 posts) - - Show Bio

Killmonger with the herb would take out Matt for sure.

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#50 Posted by mrmonster (15553 posts) - - Show Bio

Killmonger