@anthp2000: Ward wins solidly, both writing wise and feats wise.
Matt has never taken on fodder as tactically advanced and well-armored as the Level 5 SHIELD agents in Ward's hallway scene. He has never contended with a supersoldier in cqc and continued to keep coming back for more after being hit/rag-dolled by said supersoldier. He has never decisively overpowered someone like May with sheer strength. He has never outright stomped someone with the on-paper skill of Tripp. He has never been considered so competent that someone like Malick considered him a true equal in standing. He has never been explicitly referred to as one of the best trained individuals in the world by someone like Whitehall.
Ward has achieved all of this.
It isn't a stomp, but these two operate on entirely different tiers. Ward operates on the tier where someone who oversaw SHIELD/the Avengers considered him a partner. He operates on the tier where a general of the Red Skull from WW2 tells his men that Ward is one of the best trained killers alive. He operates on the tier where Coulson brings Deathlok along just for a meeting with him, because he is that good. He operates on the tier where Lorelei attaches herself to him because he is a strong warrior, and works alongside him in a way that she normally never does for her male subordinates.
@anthp2000: Ward wins solidly, both writing wise and feats wise.
Matt has never taken on fodder as tactically advanced and well-armored as the Level 5 SHIELD agents in Ward's hallway scene. He has never contended with a supersoldier in cqc and continued to keep coming back for more after being hit/rag-dolled by said supersoldier. He has never decisively overpowered someone like May with sheer strength. He has never outright stomped someone with the on-paper skill of Tripp. He has never been considered so competent that someone like Malick considered him a true equal in standing. He has never been explicitly referred to as one of the best trained individuals in the world by someone like Whitehall.
Ward has achieved all of this.
It isn't a stomp, but these two operate on entirely different tiers. Ward operates on the tier where someone who oversaw SHIELD/the Avengers considered him a partner. He operates on the tier where a general of the Red Skull from WW2 tells his men that Ward is one of the best trained killers alive. He operates on the tier where Coulson brings Deathlok along just for a meeting with him, because he is that good. He operates on the tier where Lorelei attaches herself to him because he is a strong warrior, and works alongside him in a way that she normally never does for her male subordinates.
You used to say Danny and Ward would be a stalemate, what changed?
@anthp2000: Ward wins solidly, both writing wise and feats wise.
Matt has never taken on fodder as tactically advanced and well-armored as the Level 5 SHIELD agents in Ward's hallway scene. He has never contended with a supersoldier in cqc and continued to keep coming back for more after being hit/rag-dolled by said supersoldier. He has never decisively overpowered someone like May with sheer strength. He has never outright stomped someone with the on-paper skill of Tripp. He has never been considered so competent that someone like Malick considered him a true equal in standing. He has never been explicitly referred to as one of the best trained individuals in the world by someone like Whitehall.
Ward has achieved all of this.
It isn't a stomp, but these two operate on entirely different tiers. Ward operates on the tier where someone who oversaw SHIELD/the Avengers considered him a partner. He operates on the tier where a general of the Red Skull from WW2 tells his men that Ward is one of the best trained killers alive. He operates on the tier where Coulson brings Deathlok along just for a meeting with him, because he is that good. He operates on the tier where Lorelei attaches herself to him because he is a strong warrior, and works alongside him in a way that she normally never does for her male subordinates.
You used to say Danny and Ward would be a stalemate, what changed?
I actually do put a focused Danny above Matt. For all intents and purposes, he should be better when actually in the right mindset. Matt's mentality is a game changer against Danny. Ward is just as focused, if not more. That won't work here.
@anthp2000: Ward wins solidly, both writing wise and feats wise.
Matt has never taken on fodder as tactically advanced and well-armored as the Level 5 SHIELD agents in Ward's hallway scene. He has never contended with a supersoldier in cqc and continued to keep coming back for more after being hit/rag-dolled by said supersoldier. He has never decisively overpowered someone like May with sheer strength. He has never outright stomped someone with the on-paper skill of Tripp. He has never been considered so competent that someone like Malick considered him a true equal in standing. He has never been explicitly referred to as one of the best trained individuals in the world by someone like Whitehall.
Ward has achieved all of this.
It isn't a stomp, but these two operate on entirely different tiers. Ward operates on the tier where someone who oversaw SHIELD/the Avengers considered him a partner. He operates on the tier where a general of the Red Skull from WW2 tells his men that Ward is one of the best trained killers alive. He operates on the tier where Coulson brings Deathlok along just for a meeting with him, because he is that good. He operates on the tier where Lorelei attaches herself to him because he is a strong warrior, and works alongside him in a way that she normally never does for her male subordinates.
You used to say Danny and Ward would be a stalemate, what changed?
I actually do put a focused Danny above Matt. For all intents and purposes, he should be better when actually in the right mindset. Matt's mentality is a game changer against Danny. Ward is just as focused, if not more. That won't work here.
Matt was consistently portrayed as Danny's superior throughout Defenders, from their actual fight, to their respective performances against Elektra (both 1v1 and in the finale), to Danny readily agreeing with Stick saying Matt was one of the most naturally gifted fighters he'd ever seen. Now, if Danny goes full zen mode, then yeah, he could probably beat Matt, but his mentality was no worse than it was for almost all his appearances when he fought Matt and when he's been shown to be inferior
Tbh a lot of the things you mentioned for Ward don't seem all that relevant. Just because Ward's with SHIELD while Matt's in Hell's Kitchen doesn't inherently mean Ward is on another level in unarmed combat. The leader of an ancient army of martial artists praised Matt's talent, the guy took on 2 immortal masters and was evenly matched with them, arguably winning. He's good enough to be more skilled than Elektra, a resurrected, supernaturally gifted fighter who learned more about combat than most could learn in a lifetime. Coulson would need insurance against Matt too. As for Lorelai, we know nothing about the kind of warriors she found in prior history, but as for the time we actually saw her on SHIELD, I don't see how being more impressive than a bunch of bikers is supposed to put Ward above Matt
@anthp2000: Ward wins solidly, both writing wise and feats wise.
Matt has never taken on fodder as tactically advanced and well-armored as the Level 5 SHIELD agents in Ward's hallway scene. He has never contended with a supersoldier in cqc and continued to keep coming back for more after being hit/rag-dolled by said supersoldier. He has never decisively overpowered someone like May with sheer strength. He has never outright stomped someone with the on-paper skill of Tripp. He has never been considered so competent that someone like Malick considered him a true equal in standing. He has never been explicitly referred to as one of the best trained individuals in the world by someone like Whitehall.
Ward has achieved all of this.
It isn't a stomp, but these two operate on entirely different tiers. Ward operates on the tier where someone who oversaw SHIELD/the Avengers considered him a partner. He operates on the tier where a general of the Red Skull from WW2 tells his men that Ward is one of the best trained killers alive. He operates on the tier where Coulson brings Deathlok along just for a meeting with him, because he is that good. He operates on the tier where Lorelei attaches herself to him because he is a strong warrior, and works alongside him in a way that she normally never does for her male subordinates.
You used to say Danny and Ward would be a stalemate, what changed?
I actually do put a focused Danny above Matt. For all intents and purposes, he should be better when actually in the right mindset. Matt's mentality is a game changer against Danny. Ward is just as focused, if not more. That won't work here.
Matt was consistently portrayed as Danny's superior throughout Defenders, from their actual fight, to their respective performances against Elektra (both 1v1 and in the finale), to Danny readily agreeing with Stick saying Matt was one of the most naturally gifted fighters he'd ever seen. Now, if Danny goes full zen mode, then yeah, he could probably beat Matt, but his mentality was no worse than it was for almost all his appearances when he fought Matt and when he's been shown to be inferior
Tbh a lot of the things you mentioned for Ward don't seem all that relevant. Just because Ward's with SHIELD while Matt's in Hell's Kitchen doesn't inherently mean Ward is on another level in unarmed combat. The leader of an ancient army of martial artists praised Matt's talent, the guy took on 2 immortal masters and was evenly matched with them, arguably winning. He's good enough to be more skilled than Elektra, a resurrected, supernaturally gifted fighter who learned more about combat than most could learn in a lifetime. Coulson would need insurance against Matt too. As for Lorelai, we know nothing about the kind of warriors she found in prior history, but as for the time we actually saw her on SHIELD, I don't see how being more impressive than a bunch of bikers is supposed to put Ward above Matt
I think you're underestimating Matt here
Matt's definitely no slouch, but he just doesn't have the same type of advantages over Ward that he did on Danny.
You mentioned in another thread that the writers came out and said that Matt's real world experience put him over Danny. I didn't know that writers had come out and said this tbh. That changes things, and that changes how I see Danny too.
That being said, Matt has no such experience edge over Ward. Ward's the guy that SHIELD send into hostile countries to defuse nuclear bombs. He also has his fair share of fodder wrecking feats (the one against the FBI agents in close quarters comes to mind):
Textbook BJJ. Just going off of this, Matt would be in danger if Ward took him to the ground with his physicals. That arm-bar is textbook, almost perfectly executed.
Ward also seems to have superior striking power. I find this area to be lacking for Matt. He often takes a LOT of hits to drop people that someone like Ward can one or two shot:
Even when Matt does take people down quickly, it's often with techniques that involve a full transfer of his whole body weight. Tornado kicks are a favorite of Matt's in this area. He just doesn't do it the same way that Ward does.
Ward is also a lot more casual about how he overpowers people than Matt is. He's not even trying in this gif. Every time I've seen Matt do anything remotely similar, he is actively putting muscle into it.
@anthp2000: Ward wins solidly, both writing wise and feats wise.
Matt has never taken on fodder as tactically advanced and well-armored as the Level 5 SHIELD agents in Ward's hallway scene. He has never contended with a supersoldier in cqc and continued to keep coming back for more after being hit/rag-dolled by said supersoldier. He has never decisively overpowered someone like May with sheer strength. He has never outright stomped someone with the on-paper skill of Tripp. He has never been considered so competent that someone like Malick considered him a true equal in standing. He has never been explicitly referred to as one of the best trained individuals in the world by someone like Whitehall.
Ward has achieved all of this.
It isn't a stomp, but these two operate on entirely different tiers. Ward operates on the tier where someone who oversaw SHIELD/the Avengers considered him a partner. He operates on the tier where a general of the Red Skull from WW2 tells his men that Ward is one of the best trained killers alive. He operates on the tier where Coulson brings Deathlok along just for a meeting with him, because he is that good. He operates on the tier where Lorelei attaches herself to him because he is a strong warrior, and works alongside him in a way that she normally never does for her male subordinates.
You used to say Danny and Ward would be a stalemate, what changed?
I actually do put a focused Danny above Matt. For all intents and purposes, he should be better when actually in the right mindset. Matt's mentality is a game changer against Danny. Ward is just as focused, if not more. That won't work here.
Matt was consistently portrayed as Danny's superior throughout Defenders, from their actual fight, to their respective performances against Elektra (both 1v1 and in the finale), to Danny readily agreeing with Stick saying Matt was one of the most naturally gifted fighters he'd ever seen. Now, if Danny goes full zen mode, then yeah, he could probably beat Matt, but his mentality was no worse than it was for almost all his appearances when he fought Matt and when he's been shown to be inferior
Tbh a lot of the things you mentioned for Ward don't seem all that relevant. Just because Ward's with SHIELD while Matt's in Hell's Kitchen doesn't inherently mean Ward is on another level in unarmed combat. The leader of an ancient army of martial artists praised Matt's talent, the guy took on 2 immortal masters and was evenly matched with them, arguably winning. He's good enough to be more skilled than Elektra, a resurrected, supernaturally gifted fighter who learned more about combat than most could learn in a lifetime. Coulson would need insurance against Matt too. As for Lorelai, we know nothing about the kind of warriors she found in prior history, but as for the time we actually saw her on SHIELD, I don't see how being more impressive than a bunch of bikers is supposed to put Ward above Matt
I think you're underestimating Matt here
Matt's definitely no slouch, but he just doesn't have the same type of advantages over Ward that he did on Danny.
You mentioned in another thread that the writers came out and said that Matt's real world experience put him over Danny. I didn't know that writers had come out and said this tbh. That changes things, and that changes how I see Danny too.
That being said, Matt has no such experience edge over Ward. Ward's the guy that SHIELD send into hostile countries to defuse nuclear bombs. He also has his fair share of fodder wrecking feats (the one against the FBI agents in close quarters comes to mind):
Textbook BJJ. Just going off of this, Matt would be in danger if Ward took him to the ground with his physicals. That arm-bar is textbook, almost perfectly executed.
Ward also seems to have superior striking power. I find this area to be lacking for Matt. He often takes a LOT of hits to drop people that someone like Ward can one or two shot:
Even when Matt does take people down quickly, it's often with techniques that involve a full transfer of his whole body weight. Tornado kicks are a favorite of Matt's in this area. He just doesn't do it the same way that Ward does.
Ward is also a lot more casual about how he overpowers people than Matt is. He's not even trying in this gif. Every time I've seen Matt do anything remotely similar, he is actively putting muscle into it.
Matt basically has Danny's kind of training (Chaste follows Kun'Lunn), plus more experience. Doesn't mean Danny's worse, just means Matt's that good
In cqc, I don't see how being sent in to diffuse nuclear bombs is more impressive than matching/beating immortal master fighters. Being sent on those kinds of missions speaks to Ward's versatile skillset, sure, but it shows nothing to indicate that Ward is a better fighter than Matt
Matt's technique had to be refined, that was specifically stated to be a part of both S1 and S2 of Daredevil (that he's constantly honing his skills to fight more dangerous opponents). I can look into his striking power feats, but you and I both know that Danny excels at fighting fodder, guy has plenty of feats of one-shotting guys, and we know how Matt compares to Danny
@anthp2000: Ward wins solidly, both writing wise and feats wise.
Matt has never taken on fodder as tactically advanced and well-armored as the Level 5 SHIELD agents in Ward's hallway scene. He has never contended with a supersoldier in cqc and continued to keep coming back for more after being hit/rag-dolled by said supersoldier. He has never decisively overpowered someone like May with sheer strength. He has never outright stomped someone with the on-paper skill of Tripp. He has never been considered so competent that someone like Malick considered him a true equal in standing. He has never been explicitly referred to as one of the best trained individuals in the world by someone like Whitehall.
Ward has achieved all of this.
It isn't a stomp, but these two operate on entirely different tiers. Ward operates on the tier where someone who oversaw SHIELD/the Avengers considered him a partner. He operates on the tier where a general of the Red Skull from WW2 tells his men that Ward is one of the best trained killers alive. He operates on the tier where Coulson brings Deathlok along just for a meeting with him, because he is that good. He operates on the tier where Lorelei attaches herself to him because he is a strong warrior, and works alongside him in a way that she normally never does for her male subordinates.
You used to say Danny and Ward would be a stalemate, what changed?
I actually do put a focused Danny above Matt. For all intents and purposes, he should be better when actually in the right mindset. Matt's mentality is a game changer against Danny. Ward is just as focused, if not more. That won't work here.
Matt was consistently portrayed as Danny's superior throughout Defenders, from their actual fight, to their respective performances against Elektra (both 1v1 and in the finale), to Danny readily agreeing with Stick saying Matt was one of the most naturally gifted fighters he'd ever seen. Now, if Danny goes full zen mode, then yeah, he could probably beat Matt, but his mentality was no worse than it was for almost all his appearances when he fought Matt and when he's been shown to be inferior
Tbh a lot of the things you mentioned for Ward don't seem all that relevant. Just because Ward's with SHIELD while Matt's in Hell's Kitchen doesn't inherently mean Ward is on another level in unarmed combat. The leader of an ancient army of martial artists praised Matt's talent, the guy took on 2 immortal masters and was evenly matched with them, arguably winning. He's good enough to be more skilled than Elektra, a resurrected, supernaturally gifted fighter who learned more about combat than most could learn in a lifetime. Coulson would need insurance against Matt too. As for Lorelai, we know nothing about the kind of warriors she found in prior history, but as for the time we actually saw her on SHIELD, I don't see how being more impressive than a bunch of bikers is supposed to put Ward above Matt
I think you're underestimating Matt here
Matt's definitely no slouch, but he just doesn't have the same type of advantages over Ward that he did on Danny.
You mentioned in another thread that the writers came out and said that Matt's real world experience put him over Danny. I didn't know that writers had come out and said this tbh. That changes things, and that changes how I see Danny too.
That being said, Matt has no such experience edge over Ward. Ward's the guy that SHIELD send into hostile countries to defuse nuclear bombs. He also has his fair share of fodder wrecking feats (the one against the FBI agents in close quarters comes to mind):
Textbook BJJ. Just going off of this, Matt would be in danger if Ward took him to the ground with his physicals. That arm-bar is textbook, almost perfectly executed.
Ward also seems to have superior striking power. I find this area to be lacking for Matt. He often takes a LOT of hits to drop people that someone like Ward can one or two shot:
Even when Matt does take people down quickly, it's often with techniques that involve a full transfer of his whole body weight. Tornado kicks are a favorite of Matt's in this area. He just doesn't do it the same way that Ward does.
Ward is also a lot more casual about how he overpowers people than Matt is. He's not even trying in this gif. Every time I've seen Matt do anything remotely similar, he is actively putting muscle into it.
Matt basically has Danny's kind of training (Chaste follows Kun'Lunn), plus more experience. Doesn't mean Danny's worse, just means Matt's that good
In cqc, I don't see how being sent in to diffuse nuclear bombs is more impressive than matching/beating immortal master fighters. Being sent on those kinds of missions speaks to Ward's versatile skillset, sure, but it shows nothing to indicate that Ward is a better fighter than Matt
Matt's technique had to be refined, that was specifically stated to be a part of both S1 and S2 of Daredevil (that he's constantly honing his skills to fight more dangerous opponents). I can look into his striking power feats, but you and I both know that Danny excels at fighting fodder, guy has plenty of feats of one-shotting guys, and we know how Matt compares to Danny
Danny's naivety is a detriment imo. I didn't really consider it when saying he is an equal to Ward. That would be fatal against someone with Ward's practicality.
Ward was a solo specialist, but yeah I get your point. But May has referred to him to be as lethal as any, and Coulson brought along Deathlok just so that Ward wouldn't try something. Matt kept Murakami and Bakuto at bay for a short while, it's hardly the same as beating them in pure interrupted combat.
Danny excels at fighting fodder, yeah. He is a great combatant. But it's not quite the same as saying that Matt can one-shot fodder with the same ease. Matt wasn't winning against Danny due to a strength advantage. Same reason why we can't scale Ward to all of May's speed feats just because he could sort of keep up. We can, however, scale him to May's strength feats because he was very clearly stronger in their fight. That being said, do you think Matt is stronger than May to the point where he can overpower her as consistently and as easily as Ward did? I'm fairly certain that Ward has a sizable strength edge based off of that.
Regarding your gif -
Ward clotheslines a guy in a SHIELD armor package. It seems to be similar to SWAT body armor in design, so let's take the base SWAT body armor package and scale this to roughly 32 lbs (that is a lower end estimate). This guy does a full on backflip. Matt is not replicating this.
@amcu: It's impressive for sure. Although I think Ward's scaling to May and feat of clotheslining a SHIELD agent with a full armor package hard enough to make him do a backflip is enough to put him on par with that or above.
@amcu: It's impressive for sure. Although I think Ward's scaling to May and feat of clotheslining a SHIELD agent with a full armor package hard enough to make him do a backflip is enough to put him on par with that or above.
It wouldn't surprise me if Ward was stronger. Though honestly I doubt think clotheslining that agent is really better. I mean its impressive especially since its a punch but I find busting that much concrete a bit better. Still I kinda think of Ward as stronger but Matt has some good strength feats that make me think Strength isn't gonna be enough of an advantage for Ward.
@amcu: It's impressive for sure. Although I think Ward's scaling to May and feat of clotheslining a SHIELD agent with a full armor package hard enough to make him do a backflip is enough to put him on par with that or above.
It wouldn't surprise me if Ward was stronger. Though honestly I doubt think clotheslining that agent is really better. I mean its impressive especially since its a punch but I find busting that much concrete a bit better. Still I kinda think of Ward as stronger but Matt has some good strength feats that make me think Strength isn't gonna be enough of an advantage for Ward.
Yeah Ward strikes me as stronger, although Matt is no slouch.
I really, really don't see Matt overpowering and ragdolling May like Ward did. It just isn't his specialty.
I mean, if you thought his feats were good enough to be an equal to Ward before, why not now? Ward does have experience, but he doesn't have Matt's training or combo of innate ability and superior senses
Sure, but being a solo specialist involves more than just h2h combat. If we were debating who could infiltrate a hostile nation better, then sure, it'd be relevant, but this is just pure combat between the two of them.
Saying Matt was just keeping them at bay is underselling it, imo, he was at the very least evenly matched with the two of them.
We have a clear statement from Ward saying that May is faster than him, and their respective advantages show in fights. Danny never showed any sort of strength advantage over Matt, if anything Matt was stronger, if you compare how they fared against Elektra
I could see it happening, sure
For more casual overpowering of fodder
Why is Matt replicating it so impossible?
Maybe Ward's stronger, but even if we say he is, Matt's faster, and I'd argue more skilled
Yeah Ward strikes me as stronger, although Matt is no slouch.
I really, really don't see Matt overpowering and ragdolling May like Ward did. It just isn't his specialty.
Oh yeah I don't see Ward overpowering May or most respectable street levelers. Its just not really the way he fights or is portrayed. Still I found a couple impressive strength showings that really impressed me a lot from him.
Both of those were really impressive. Also Matt was able to hold the advantage against Danny and Danny was able to do this.
Matt didn't overpower Danny but he was definitely able to contend with him and Danny didn't really seem stronger in their fight to me. I think Ward is stronger but not be enough of a margin.
Yeah Ward strikes me as stronger, although Matt is no slouch.
I really, really don't see Matt overpowering and ragdolling May like Ward did. It just isn't his specialty.
Oh yeah I don't see Ward overpowering May or most respectable street levelers. Its just not really the way he fights or is portrayed. Still I found a couple impressive strength showings that really impressed me a lot from him.
Wait. You mean Matt? Because Ward already overpowered May pretty solidly.
@arcus1: @amcu: I'll get to your guys' various points later tonight or tomorrow. Gotta hit the weight room now heh. Ironic since we were just talking about strength feats.
Have a good night, and I look forward to debating a bit more later.
@arcus1: Nothing was really casual about the gifs you sent for Matt. He noticeably put effort into it. Compared to Ward who could down muscular guards with single strikes.
@arcus1: Ward is a prodigy in his own right. He had off the charts hand-eye coordination even before Garrett trained him. And being a solo specialist does indicate a high level of combat skill.
I might have to refresh myself, but IIRC Matt wasn't holding them off for a lengthy period of time. It was brief.
Matt didn't come closer than Danny to legitimately outmuscling Elektra though. Not that I remember. Sure he might have tackled her once or twice, but that is about it.
And idk, I really don't see Matt overpowering May like Ward did. It's just not he is portrayed, like at all. And the gifs you showed exhibit a lot of effort on Matt's part. When Ward puts in effort, he can send a security guard rotating into the air like this:
Every time I've seen Matt do something similar, he puts all of his whole weight into it. He hasn't done it with a straightforward punch like this.
@arcus1: Ward is a prodigy in his own right. He had off the charts hand-eye coordination even before Garrett trained him. And being a solo specialist does indicate a high level of combat skill.
I might have to refresh myself, but IIRC Matt wasn't holding them off for a lengthy period of time. It was brief.
Matt didn't come closer than Danny to legitimately outmuscling Elektra though. Not that I remember. Sure he might have tackled her once or twice, but that is about it.
And idk, I really don't see Matt overpowering May like Ward did. It's just not he is portrayed, like at all. And the gifs you showed exhibit a lot of effort on Matt's part. When Ward puts in effort, he can send a security guard rotating into the air like this:
Every time I've seen Matt do something similar, he puts all of his whole weight into it. He hasn't done it with a straightforward punch like this.
Sure, being a solo specialist does involve combat skill, but that's not the only thing involved, and it's not all h2h combat either. Matt's training and accolades are more directly relevant to this fight than Ward's
It wasn't that brief
Sure, neither of them is capable of legitimately outmuscling her or anything like that, but Matt was able to contend with her on more even ground, and was the only Defender capable of holding his own against her in the final fight, even managing to stun her for a brief moment (though he was distracted and she recovered quickly)
Between Danny and Matt, if either of them showed a strength advantage in their fight, I'd say it was Matt
Danny would've been more prepared for a return hit from Matt, and yet he was more staggered. Matt was also able to outright shove him downBlocking his elbow strike and shoving him again
@arcus1: And yeah I'd say Matt is more skilled, but I don't think scaling his physicals due to a performance against Elektra is valid. My apologies if that's not were you were intending.
And Matt might have had a slight strength advantage against Danny, but it was hardly anything even remotely close to doing this to an established fighter with great physicals herself:
Ward's physicals will definitely give Matt a lot of trouble. He just hasn't overpowered an established peak human fighter that decisively. Ward was literally bullying May around, that's the only word for it. She is more skilled and fast, but if Ward can keep up with her - he can definitely keep up with Matt. And overpowering people isn't even Matt's style, I don't know why he'd be written to be stronger in-universe than someone like Ward.
And tbh, that does look like showing more effort to me. Ward has casually thrown guys aside and sent them sliding across tables with a lot less effort then that. Ok it wasn't showing more effort than Ward's punch, but it also wasn't nearly as strong...in any way, really.
Murakami and Bakuto is a great feat now that I look at it. Although those two don't really have an alarming amount of feats, and I don't think Matt actually defeated them. He might've if it went on longer, and he might not have...we don't really know. Maybe his agility caught them by surprise and they wouldn't recovered after a while. It was inconclusive imo.
@_kingoflatveria: They get stomped, omg. Matt would get punched so hard that his eyesight would return, and Ward would be kicked so hard that he becomes a good guy.
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