MCU Cull Obsidian vs. MCU Valkyrie and MCU Spider-man and MCU Nebula & Gamora

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  • Spider-man has his first suit, he doesn't have Stark tech
  • Valkryie has her dragonfang sword
  • Nebula and Gamora have their usual weaponry
  • Cull has his usual weaponry and hammer
  • Location: New York
  • Distance: 20 meters
  • 5 min prep for the team

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#3  Edited By Erkan12

It seemed too one-sided, so I've added Nebula and Gamora.

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He'd one shot everyone here except Spider-Man who he would eventually put down after a few tries of not tagging him. And also just stabbing Cull doesn't put him down immediately as seen when he pretty much ignored Drax stabbing him multiple times.

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#5  Edited By Deep_Silver

The team should win with Spider-Man as MVP. He can stop a direct strike from Cull, and he can avoid all of his attacks anyways. With Spidey's strength plus help from the others, they'll put him down sooner or later.

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Gamora solos

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He'd one shot everyone here except Spider-Man who he would eventually put down after a few tries of not tagging him. And also just stabbing Cull doesn't put him down immediately as seen when he pretty much ignored Drax stabbing him multiple times.

Spidey overpowered him twice

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@kgb725: Both times were when Spider-Man came out of nowhere and he proceeded to immediately throw him too the first time. Spider-Man doesn't have the feats to damage someone who can tank Iron Man, Hulkbuster, and Worthy Cap blows anyway.

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Probably team.

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@darthvaderrocks: He had full intent of crushing iron man. Spidey caught it mid swing

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@kgb725: If he wanted to crush Iron Man he'd use his big ass sword.

But what we're discussing doesn't even matter because Spider-Man can't hurt him.

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@erkan12 said:

It seemed too one-sided, I've added Nebula and Gamora.

It is one-sided, Spidey can almost solo him, almost. Spidey has blocked one of his hardest hits casually without the Iron Spider. We can easily harass Cull and blind him with web, forcing him to drop his guard or remain blind while Valkyrie cuts him. Cull gets owned by a stomp from Giant Man because Spidey can pull him over easily. Yes Spidey is in the IS armor at that time, no I don't think Cull weighs anywhere near as much as the tower Spidey held up in FFH or the ferry he almost held together in Homecoming. At best he's a couple tons, which Spidey can handle with one hand.

Valkyrie can survive a beatdown with Hela. While she has few actual combat feats, her sword easily cuts through Asgardian armor, Sakarran warships, and she simply rakes a spear through a Chitauri dreadnaught. Cull is cut by Drax's daggers. Hela, who was second in command of Asgard's forces next to Odin viewed her as enough of a threat to bother engaging her while also fighting Thor. Hela also uses her (few) armored areas to block the Dragon Fang. While Valkyrie is clearly outmatched physically, she is close to Hela in speed.

Gamora and Nebula have few feats from which anyone can derive much. I am certain they can harass Cull, but they aren't needed.

He'd one shot everyone here except Spider-Man who he would eventually put down after a few tries of not tagging him. And also just stabbing Cull doesn't put him down immediately as seen when he pretty much ignored Drax stabbing him multiple times.

Drax's daggers are much shorter than the Dragon Fang, about 1/4 the length, also Valkyrie is not getting one-shot when she's lived through a beatdown from Hela who can beat Thor handily.

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#13  Edited By darthvaderrocks

@absurdme: Dragon Fang can be longer all it wants but it will achieve the same result as Drax daggers which is nothing.

Valkyrie is most definitely getting one shot. Hela hit her one time and Valkyrie was on the ground crawling like a toddler. She has no durability feats to speak of, so yes she's getting one shot as well.

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@absurdme: Cull fought both Nanotech Ironman and Spider-man at the same time and it didn't even seem like he was losing, he even reacted at Spider-man's speed with his hammer at one point. As far as I see he would easily kill Spider-man if not for Nanotech Ironman.

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@darthvaderrocks: getting one shot lol hardly. She's Valkrie a warrior born who stomped Loki with ease and battled Hela who would barely notice Cull, who got cut up to shreds due to a Sheild. Loki AMD Thor took the bifrost she's not plenty enough durability along with far superior fighting skills and a Sword that will cut Cull to peices. She'd probably solo this Actually

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@destinyman75: Until I get them durability feats she's getting one shot.

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@erkan12: yet was killed by a mere Sheild. Thor and Loki survived similar in the big frost battle with hell bifrost Actually slfar supior. Valkire solos this Actually. She's faster strong enough and has sword that will cut him to ribbons. If she can survive Hela who could o shot Cull she's not falling to Cull not with those skills she used to Stomp Loki

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#18  Edited By Erkan12

@destinyman75: I doubt Hela could one-shot Cull, Cull is too durable, perhaps not like Thor, but he would certainly take more than 2-3 shots. As for Valkyrie surviving Hela, that only happened because her friend sacrificed her life for Valkyrie, otherwise she was going to die too.

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#19  Edited By Absurdme

@darthvaderrocks said:

@absurdme: Dragon Fang can be longer all it wants but it will achieve the same result as Drax daggers which is nothing.

Valkyrie is most definitely getting one shot. Hela hit her one time and Valkyrie was on the ground crawling like a toddler. She has no durability feats to speak of, so yes she's getting one shot as well.

Is your argument that there's no difference between swords and knives? Or is it that there is no difference to Cull? I'm going to assume the latter, but correct me if I am wrong. We see when Cull's wrist is severed in the NY battle of IW that he has arm bones and some sort of internal tissue. We know he cannot regenerate because he has a prosthetic later in IW. It may be that he is just so battle hardened that the pain doesn't matter, but he is certainly vulnerable and he isn't winning when limbs start coming off. It may be that Drax's damage was minimal in terms of overall effect and that Cull has nothing vital in the small area afflicted, but his flesh is penetrable and not particularly durable compared to the weapon in question.

You say Valkyrie has no durability feats but you listed one immediately. Hela is trying to exterminate all resistance in Asgard, including Valkyrie. Hela smacks her down and it doesn't kill her. Simply surviving such a hit, and in this case merely being TKO'd by it is a feat. Also it seems like you're saying Cull is as strong as or stronger than Hela, who overpowers Thor. Other Valkyrie durability feats: She jumps out of a space ship going at least several hundred kph, grabs onto another and casually converses with Thor while hanging onto the cockpit, then jump off again to impact with another ship with zero harm and cuts through its hull with her sword. She continues to hop from ship to ship just fine. Before Hela's Pal Strike that just knocked her down (as compared to your hyperbolic assessment), she was thrown 20 or so feet by Hela and was just fine to get up and keep fighting. After that Palm Strike she still gets up. The whole bridge fight ends here so Skurge can have his PIS hero moment, and then for some reason Valkyrie is crawling for her sword in a moment closer to what you described, before leaping onto a distracted Hela and stabbing her into the Rainbow Bridge, pinning her and making it collapse.

EDIT: Just to be clear Thor had damaged the bridge prior, Valkyrie did not one shot the bridge and Hela, who reappears shortly after and engages Surtr.

None of that probably matters though because Hela, who is easily as fast as Spidey, could not simply evade Valkyrie. Cull is clearly conveyed as a seasoned warrior and is a better fighter than the likes of Hulk, but he doesn't have the strength, speed, or durability to win against the original matchup of Valkyrie and Spidey alone.

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@absurdme: It's the latter. If it were something like Stormbreaker which is a one shot weapon wielded by someone with incredible strength Cull would be murked but her sword isn't. It has the same feats as Drax which is zero so it won't mean anything to Cull even if he does get stabbed. Also the sling ring isn't really a good example because that thing operates on a different level entirely than even stuff like Stormbreaker. It seems to breach space and time itself due to the fact it can open and close portals "anywhere in the universe"

It's not a feat because Hela's best striking feats are one shotting Asgardian fodder. So it seems Valkyrie's durability is barely better than that. Gonna need more than that to say she won't get one shot by Cull.

Now the rest of your post seems to be you just rambling about stuff that doesn't really change the fact Valkyrie has no durability feats to suggest she won't get one shot by Cull.

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Cull should take it eventually for the majority too big and powerful for most here with skill and good gear for multiple opponents.

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#22  Edited By Absurdme

@darthvaderrocks said:

@absurdme: It's the latter. If it were something like Stormbreaker which is a one shot weapon wielded by someone with incredible strength Cull would be murked but her sword isn't. It has the same feats as Drax which is zero so it won't mean anything to Cull even if he does get stabbed. Also the sling ring isn't really a good example because that thing operates on a different level entirely than even stuff like Stormbreaker. It seems to breach space and time itself due to the fact it can open and close portals "anywhere in the universe"

It's not a feat because Hela's best striking feats are one shotting Asgardian fodder. So it seems Valkyrie's durability is barely better than that. Gonna need more than that to say she won't get one shot by Cull.

Now the rest of your post seems to be you just rambling about stuff that doesn't really change the fact Valkyrie has no durability feats to suggest she won't get one shot by Cull.

I'm not sure if you're intentionally making a complete argument from incredulity here on purpose or not... but...

Dragon Fang feats: Pierces starships, Asgardian armor (generally shown to be bulletproof except that ridiculous Skurge PIS moment), and impales Hela and the Bifrost which resists multiple Mjolnir strikes before breaking in Thor, is also broken by Thor's lightning charged sword in Ragnarok, survives a spaceship crashing on it.) Before you say Hela has no durability feats, she is impaled by Thor using an Asgardian spear and simply pulls it out and heals instantly. She parries the spear casually multiple times unarmed against Thor. She takes multiple punches from Thor to the face and gut with no apparent issue. Tanks Thor's lightning and although it allows him to escape her, minutes later she's hunky dorey and kicking his ass again. She is only presumed dead when Surtr destroys Asgard (and reasonably so).

I clearly did not argue the sling ring and Dragon Fang were the same, I simply stated that the scene shows us Cull has an internal structure and is not merely a mass of undifferentiated cells like mystique or Mr. Sinister. He has a structure, it can be damaged. Drax's knives do penetrate his flesh and clearly open wounds. Those particular wounds simply didn't stop him like a limb severing would. That is unless you are going to argue that he can swing weapons with severed limbs or stand on legs laying on the floor across the room.

Hela's only striking feats are on fodder? She catches and crushes Mjolnir one-handed then blocks a punch from and overpowers Thor in the Bifrost stream, shoving him out of it. As previously stated she can block and parry Thor using an Asgardian spear. She is clearly stronger than Thor and completely manhandles him without drawing her weapons; eventually slicing open his gut and cutting out his right eye easily, making her one of three people who have broken Thor's flesh. Loki did it twice, and Thanos needed the Power Stone to do it. Then she drags him like a ragdoll to make him watch his people get exterminated on the bridge. She pins him there and taunts him until he finally unleashes his lightning in his big heroic moment). This merely destroys the area, allowing Thor to escape.

The rest of my post is evidence that Cull probably won't get much of a chance to even hit Valkyrie, much less one shot her as you claim. It also provides context to invalidate your hyperbolic statements.

I have provided the evidence you claimed didn't exist, now it's time for you to back your claim with actual feats rather than simply choosing to believe otherwise. Cull not reacting to the clear destruction of body tissue is a feat of mental toughness and ability to function in the face of damage, but not the ability to resist it. It's also not relevant to resisting having a limb severed by a larger blade clearly capable of doing so.

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@erkan12: Well that's true no doubt Hela would easily beat Val she beat a whole army or Val's after all. And yeah cull wouldn't be one shot either I can conceed that take few more for sure.

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Valkyrie/Gamora solo

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Cull stomps. Insane durability and strength. Also his weapon almost has as much variety as Iron Man's nano-tech armour.

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I'd actually go with Cull, he should have been Hulk Level by statments(even though he lacks the feats).

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Team has a good chance since Valkyrie has the skill and physicals while Spidey has great utility with his web. But I'll say it's about 50/50.

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Cull could win if he plays it smart and avoids the swords and keeps his distance he can probably level any one here except maybe spidey with a direct hit though I see him getting stabbed and webbed up more often then not.

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Cull should win on paper but Peter has a spider sense and will be much harder to tag. Valkyrie’s blade can also dismember him

Leaning the team if they can avoid a direct melee battle and immediately incap/cut his limbs off

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Cull was curbing nano Ironman, he beats this team handidly

Cull really is so underrated tbh, he's Hulk tier at minimum just by scaling to nano Ironman.

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Cull no sold nano Ironman repulsor blasts

Cull stomps everyone but Spiderman.

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Cull.

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@kgb725: If he wanted to crush Iron Man he'd use his big ass sword.

But what we're discussing doesn't even matter because Spider-Man can't hurt him.

You crush with hammers you cleave and stab with swords

Doesnt need to the others can

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Valk or Gamora solo

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Spidey webs him. The sisters distract him. Valk slices him in two.

This is a stomp in their favor. Cull is a glorified mid-tier.

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Spidey shoots his web down his throat and kills him

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Cull is incredibly inconsistent, he got KO’d by panther but was able going toe to toe with Iron Man

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Team stomp.

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#41  Edited By Erkan12

@cregan_stark said:

Cull is incredibly inconsistent, he got KO’d by panther but was able going toe to toe with Iron Man

He never gets KOed by BP, he just took his Vibranium shockwave punch which only toppled him, it didn't even ragdoll him like Nanotech Iron man's unibeam did.

Later he continued to fight with Hulkbuster and ripped off its arm, and he was going to beat it if not for Banner's tricky cheap-shot.

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Team stomps.

LOL at ANYONE here being 1 shot, Pete took a car on at 45 mph, valk took hits from Loki and Hela, nebula took a hit from Thanos lol (even a back slap from Thanos should be >>>cull), Gamora has the weakest durability showings except Thanos held her up to be his star child over ANY of the others....

Cull was sooooo disappointing.

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@captain_inverse: None of them are powerful as Nanotech Iron man and Cull took both Nanotech Iron man + Spider-man and he wasn't even losing. Wong had to interfere with a magic portal to save Iron man.

Then in the endgame, he gets hit by Worty Cap's mjolnir and still continues fight, overpowers Korg, Drax saves him by attacking Cull from behind, then he overpowers Nanotech Iron man once more, Spider-man + Giant man combination cheap-shots him from behind. None of them here has any chance in one-on-one against Cull.

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@erkan12: I agree. Half the team are non factors who get one shotted, Spider-Man gets 2 shotted, and Valkyrie gets 3 shotted.

Team never stood a chance. Cull is too skilled and too durable, can react to them all and if they luckily land a hit it won't matter he eats Hulkbuster punches and Mjolnir strikes, piercing from Drax who is actually asgardian+ level didn't even phase him.

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#45  Edited By captain_inverse

@erkan12: IW kinda made cull inconsistent, his death against banner was a joke.(banner who couldn't even pilot HB on air or ground, they even made a point of him tripping over himself while running lol)

Consider the force field, which caused thanos's ship to explode on impact (EXACTLY like what happened to cull)

the same force field was only repelling and dismembering thanos's fodder army.

Cull EXPLODED because the piece of stark tech blew up and killed him when it was pressed against the force field....

IM had zero knowledge of cull, both sisters know him here. If he does indeed outclass them, then neither would openly try to fight him toe 2 toe for without taking advantage of distractions valk and Pete could provide.

Gamoras sword shouldn't have any problem cutting him either as her weapons are of the same grade/make as culls.

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Cull

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Valkyrie solos.

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@absurdme said:
@erkan12 said:

It seemed too one-sided, I've added Nebula and Gamora.

It is one-sided, Spidey can almost solo him, almost. Spidey has blocked one of his hardest hits casually without the Iron Spider. We can easily harass Cull and blind him with web, forcing him to drop his guard or remain blind while Valkyrie cuts him. Cull gets owned by a stomp from Giant Man because Spidey can pull him over easily. Yes Spidey is in the IS armor at that time, no I don't think Cull weighs anywhere near as much as the tower Spidey held up in FFH or the ferry he almost held together in Homecoming. At best he's a couple tons, which Spidey can handle with one hand.

Valkyrie can survive a beatdown with Hela. While she has few actual combat feats, her sword easily cuts through Asgardian armor, Sakarran warships, and she simply rakes a spear through a Chitauri dreadnaught. Cull is cut by Drax's daggers. Hela, who was second in command of Asgard's forces next to Odin viewed her as enough of a threat to bother engaging her while also fighting Thor. Hela also uses her (few) armored areas to block the Dragon Fang. While Valkyrie is clearly outmatched physically, she is close to Hela in speed.

Gamora and Nebula have few feats from which anyone can derive much. I am certain they can harass Cull, but they aren't needed.

@darthvaderrocks said:

He'd one shot everyone here except Spider-Man who he would eventually put down after a few tries of not tagging him. And also just stabbing Cull doesn't put him down immediately as seen when he pretty much ignored Drax stabbing him multiple times.

Drax's daggers are much shorter than the Dragon Fang, about 1/4 the length, also Valkyrie is not getting one-shot when she's lived through a beatdown from Hela who can beat Thor handily.

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@erkan12: IW kinda made cull inconsistent, his death against banner was a joke.(banner who couldn't even pilot HB on air or ground, they even made a point of him tripping over himself while running lol)

Consider the force field, which caused thanos's ship to explode on impact (EXACTLY like what happened to cull)

the same force field was only repelling and dismembering thanos's fodder army.

Cull EXPLODED because the piece of stark tech blew up and killed him when it was pressed against the force field....

IM had zero knowledge of cull, both sisters know him here. If he does indeed outclass them, then neither would openly try to fight him toe 2 toe for without taking advantage of distractions valk and Pete could provide.

Gamoras sword shouldn't have any problem cutting him either as her weapons are of the same grade/make as culls.

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Gamora solos easily at that

The sword will cut him, she’s faster, more agile, and more skilled. She dances around him and stabs him. In universe Gamora was Thanos’ favorite child for a reason