MCU: Corvus Glaive & Proxima Midnight vs challenge

The Black Order

Rules

• This is not a gauntlet, post your thoughts on each match
• Standard gear
• No morals/prep
• Basic knowledge
• Duo start every match at peak condition
• Win by death
• Fight where the duo are pictured

Challengers

1. Black Widow & Hawkeye

2. Sif

3. Vin Tak

4. Killmonger

5. Valkyrie

6. Hulk

Standard gear, they stop at 1 lol.

They can take 2, 3, 4 and maybe 5. They lose 1 and 6.

R1: I'm not sure. Widow and Hawkeye were getting tooled by the Chitauri despite full gear. Though on an individual level they have gadgets that win it for them. I don't see either of them taking the Helicarrier buster arrow although Widow's tasers won't do much.

R2: Sif has better striking and skill feats. She can take either one but not both.

R3: Same as above. Though if you count memory wipes Vin-Tak could one-shot

R4: Neither can harm him, repulse gets him out any corners they box him into, he's stronger and faster. Killmonger takes it.

R5: Mismatch. Valk stomps.

R6: Lol no. Hulk gives them a clap for trying, it blows their eyeballs out.

They won't lose to Widow and Hawkeye. It will inevitably get to melee given the distances Proxima and Corvus can cross in swconds, and they'll win that. It'd be a cool one though. If any street levellers can give these 2 a fight it's fully geared up STRIKE Team Delta.

Proxima solos 3, 4 and 5. She's on the same physical level as these guys but more skilled, and her weapon is just as good or better than theirs. Corvus can also solo Erik, obviously.

They take down the Valkyrie handily together. Now, I'm not sure on the Hulk. In the comics, the properties of Proxima's spear are much different than this one. The couple took him down so easily because she could restrain him. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if they can eventually dance around him and put him down via piercing, but I wouldn't count on it either.

@anthp2000: I'd usually agree with you here and think Midnight and Glaive get lowballed to hell but their opposition here are bloodlusted. For The Children of Thanos that isn't a big change, if at all, but for the others it makes a noticeable difference. Hell, in their very first encounter Nat says as much that if they wanted, they'd be dead. (While being held at gunpoint)

@angeljax: I'm ngl, obviously Clint and Natasha have some OP tech and skill, and they'll put up a damn interesting fight I'd most certainly pay to see, but I look at how the BO Duo fought Vision and Scarlet Witch, and then later Cap and Natasha herself, and it's just proof enough they win for me.

Marksmanship won't matter too much when you look at the mobility/speed they showed pressuring Wanda or Vision - they were covering several yards worth of ground in not more than a second. And I also think they can tank next to anything the humans can throw at them besides the electricity arrows Hawkeye had in CW or those Helicarrier busters, which isn't suitable for mid ranged combat. Additionally, Proxima has her own blasters to pressure Clint back. In CQC, we've seen Natasha won't win without any specialised weapons and Proxima does wear armor made by Thanos (I think it said so in the Visual Dictionary I'm about to grab from Amazon), so I doubt even guns/knives will work. Corvus has shown just as good or better durability than Proxima too, and he overwhelmed Cap, who's definitely better than Hawkeye at close range.

If you were referring to any later rounds, I don't think someone below the Hulk has a shot at beating them both, not even Valk.

@anthp2000: i do think dey stop at val, up to me proxima and corvious are above super solider, but val is just so much stronger and faster and better durability Dan dem both, I mean she moved hela head with a kick I know dat sounds low and funny trust me , but before Thor awakened is full power, he punched hela multiple times in d place fight and she hardly moved if u get my point, she just lacks feats, to be hones she I think she was meant to someone with hulk/Thor physical nd Diana skills nd speed ,she just needs more screen time,

@el-kun:

Yeah Valk is certainly stronger and more than likely faster than both of them, but at the same time I don't think she has the skills to fight them both. Proxima Midnight fighting duos of skilled martial arts like Captain America, Black Widow and T'Challa's General places her above Valkyrie or Loki there IMO, so at the end of the day, I see her getting stabbed by their weapons in a 2 on 1, and that pretty much seals it.

@anthp2000: I think ur also forgetting val has those disc ,and its usually an opener for her

The only way I see d team wining is with d glave, like u siad all it takes is one hit in a vital spot, wat do u think about d disc from val ,its surely changes d battle

@el-kun: ngl I did forget about those disks. But I also think they can react to them.

@anthp2000:

but I look at how the BO Duo fought Vision and Scarlet Witch

That's a very specific scenario not fit for comparison.

First let's address Wanda. The inherrent problem here is

1. Wanda has no H2H training.

This limits us using this as a skill feat for her as we have no basis to scale Proxima from.

2. Wanda was weakened.

Wanda's powers are tied to her emotions. As explained by the Russo brothers here

Joe: I don’t think we’ve seen her scratch the surface yet of her power, she’s an extremely powerful character, and I think she’s a very important character moving forward. Let’s just say that.

Anthony: Because her power is so intense we look for ways to make her vulnerable and make her powers vulnerable, and sometimes you go through emotional channels to do that. That’s something we’re very much paying with in Civil War, complicating her emotional state and having that interplay with limitations or issues she may have with her abilities, we do that with all the characters, we look for their vulnerabilities. So moving her forward I think that will remain a dimension of her, an important dimension of how we tell her story because she is so powerful.

https://mcuexchange.com/russo-brothers-tease-thanos-scarlet-witch-vision-and-more-in-avengers-infinity-war/

While Wanda is quite capable and potent when she's focused, when she's in a stressful situation she isn't on her A game.

So when her lover has been impaled next to her and then carried away by an alien, another of which is now relentlessly slashing at her, obviously she's not at her best. Which is why we see only basic small TK shields and redirection.

When Wanda hears Vision scream, that snaps her out of her panic and then Prox is immediately ragdolled.

Corvus got a blindside on Vision off the bat which disabled his phasing. His main combat power. And also the source of his superhuman strength. Nerfing him considerably

Following this he got one good leap that pinned Vis for a moment before was ragdolled and subsequently bullied in close quarters.

Only due to Vision using the mind beam was Corvus able to reduce Vision to a non-combat capable state. And while he derserves credit for deflecting it. We have to acknowlegde that Corvus did not down Vision with purely his own skillset.

In others words. Prox and Glaive were only able to hold their own here due to circumstance and surprise.

Marksmanship won't matter too much when you look at the mobility/speed they showed pressuring Wanda or Vision

Hawkeye was able to range-lock Black Panther for a time who has shown greater evasions and agility than either of the B.O members present.

He's shown the ability to tag wildly moving targets

And can draw his arrows in fractions of a second to fire. One of the two is getting tagged by a Chitauri metal melting, taser or small yield explosive round. Even Clint mid range rounds could obliterate Ultron bots

Additionally, Proxima has her own blasters to pressure Clint back.

Clint has evaded those types of blasts before

and shown the ability to fire while evading

I'll skip the rest because you're aware I don't approve of your dishonest portrayal of the aliens physicals. But ironically I believe you're underselling just how much Hawkeye is bringing to the table here.

The two might not win but Nat and Clint have a good chance to incap at least one of them

im sure corvus glaive can easily block all projectiles his way as he is seen to be easily blocking shuri's sound cannons and visions hypersonic beams at close ranges

People are lowballing Glaive here. Not only does he have a weapon capable of one-shotting everyone here but Hulk, but he also has a plethora of insane reaction feats (blocking Vision's beam, reacting to Falcon's missiles and easily blocking Shuri's wrist blasters at point blank range.

Proxima can solo Widow and Hawkeye, unless I'm missing something. Add Corvus here, and they clear up to round 4.

Hulk stomps. Not really debatable, as Hulk has crippled people with supersoldiers with a single kick. Hulk has oneshotted Natasha merely by running in a straight line. Not really comparable to someone who takes Widow and Okoye seriously as opponents.

Valkyrie would also probably win, though I'm undecided. Given that Valkyrie legitimately knocked out Loki, she has better hand to hand feats than either Proxima or Corvus. Keep in mind that Loki is stronger than super-soldiers like Captain America. I'm going to have to rewatch her performance against Hela in Ragnarok to decide whether or not the weapons make a difference. If Valkyrie has feats of blocking Hela's spikes, then she can react to their attacks. Though maybe not 2v1.

@anthp2000: sure its one thing if its been thrown at u and u expect it and den its if u can or not, but it's another when u in battle, we both know proxima and corvious like to go close quarter, and once val see she is at reach disadvantage due to both wielding d spears, I just feel with d disk and dragon fang she will win, honestly d duo could clear if dey use d glave to maximum z cause one good shot could put hulk and val down for good,

@alavanka: val outclasses d duo in everything combined, d only chance for d team to win is due to glave and its reach advantage because it's will be a 2v1 , same goes for hulk

Stop at Killmonger if they manage to get past Hawkeye and Black Widow.

Children stomp every round but probably stops at 6

@alavanka: you don’t think they have a shot at stabbing hulks heart?

@webinyoureye11:Not really, no. Not a higher chance than Hulk just brutalizing them.

Gungnir was a weapon that pierced Thor and Hela, and so it's probably also a weapon that would pierce Hulk on some level. If you gave Loki the Gungnir spear, I still can't see the battle turning out much differently than how it turned out in the first Avengers film. Loki with Gungnir would be stronger than either Proxima or Corvus individually. Hulk's physicals are just too much.

I suppose there are some scenarios where Corvus sneaks up on Hulk while he's busy with Proxima, but those would need to involve a heavy dose of PIS on Hulk's part. If he wanted to, Hulk could pick up Proxima and beat Corvus over the head with her.

They might stop at one, assuming that

• the agents would abusse their gear and
• if their gear would be effective at all.

Otherwise, they reach Hulk and Hulk smash.

Hulk takes them down. I think they’d beat everybody else

Bump

I wouldn't be suprised if they clear (though can't speak about R3).

Hulk might beat them if he goes straight for thunderclap, otherwise he's getting outskilled and impaled on their weapons (it looks like Proxima would have killed Thanos with her spear if Nebula didn't come to help so pretty sure they can put down Hulk as well).