Now, before I start, I need to say that I feel really weird without the ability to use HD GIFs for this due to having to work on someone else's PC. It's not that bad though, because all the characters here have about 3 minutes worth of showings to use, more or less reliant on scaling, so yeah. Anyway.
R. Giyera was born in Hawaii, 1972, and joined the Marines as an 18 year old boy. From there, he was enlisted with various special operations all over the globe. Halfway through his career, disappeared and was thought dead, before been discovered 2 months later and reassigned in a station in his home state. He picked up several different jobs as a security specialist, and eventually came across Gideon Malick, one of the remaining Heads of HYDRA, and joined the Organisation. Years later, the Inhuman Crisis embarked upon the world, and Giyera was one of the mutants. The Crisis granted him telekinetic abilities, making him a particularly formidable opponent for Coulson's Team.
Despite his limited appearances, Giyera has proven himself to be an exceptional hand to hand fighter through his fights with some of SHIELD's finest field agents. A combined and experienced master of military, personal and HYDRA traning, he's a force to be reckoned, and I believe with and has more than what it takes to win this match.
Since Giyera's main melee fight scenes account to 2, I won't go into the trouble of breaking down his abilities in categories as per usual. Instead, I'll just analyse those sequences as a whole.
I know 2 on 1 is not an easy match to pull off, but Giyera is just so much better than these 2 that I have no doubt he'd win. This is heavy scaling-reliant debate, and Giyera's performance against SHIELD's best is something out of Batroc or 33's paygrade. I'll wait for your on analysis on their fights against May/Bobbi and Rogers respectively, but for now I'm certain Giyera is an exceptionally more skilled martial artist than either member of your Team, and has a physical advantage on either of them. Even if they manage to get some good hits off, Giyera will work around it and take them down. The best idea would be to take out Kara faster, since she doesn't have the stats to hang for long unlike the Leaper, and then make short work of him too. I'd also like to note that Giyera is a very agile and fluid combatant, giving him an extra edge when it comes to overcoming a numbers disadvantage.
The points I'll adress in my next post are the ones I believe Sub is going to focus on. Specifically, I'm going to adress Batroc's performance against Captain America, Kara's performance against May (and Bobbi) and Batroc's physicality compared to Giyera's. Overall, Giyera will win this by being generally better than these two.
@subline ball's on your court
@_kingoflatveria forgot to tag you AEW, but I hope that's fine.
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Agent 33 is comparable in skill to Giyera, and the additional support of Batroc who is also no slouch will mean they will have an advantage that will allow them to land more hits, Giyera hasn't shown the ability to hold off multiple established opponents at once, let alone opponents who are physically superior and on par in skill. Due to the team landing more hits, Giyera will go down first, as both will land hits and Batroc's striking power will mean that Giyera goes down quicker than the latter, and Batroc's durability is gonna be tough to maneuver around. Agent 33 isn't going to be destroyed either, as she can hold her own due to skill and take a few hits herself (like she did against May).
Since you're only using feats from 2 fights, 1 opponent for each of you characters, I'll break them down in 2 categories and then give my own take of the sequences.
Batroc kicks Captain America & sends him back a considerable distance on numerous occasions.
Batroc's striking is indeed very impressive, and if there's 1 debatable advantage he has over Giyera, it's that. But it's simply not enough to warrant competing with him. As for the feats themselves, I want to point out that Batroc only landed such meaningful hits in the very beginning of the fight after he had already cheap shotted Cap, ergo throwing him off balance. Even in your gifs you can see he's far from properly positioned to fight. Just want to point that out.
Additionally, I've shown Giyera tanking direct hits from May and Bobbi, who hit just as hard as Batroc. For instance, Bobbi could stagger and even send Vin Tak, someone I've already briefly analysed, a few feet back with a kick similar to the one used on Giyera. Vin Tak is above Rogers' weight class, consistently tanking hits from Sif of Asgard and affecting her every bit as much with his own attempts [ignore the subtitles in he gif, they're wrong].
Here Batroc gets kneed 3 times yet he tanks it and flips back into a ready position instantly.
Here Batroc instantly recovers from a pressure point knee attack and a kick to the stomach.
Batroc might have good damage soak, but it's not too special by general peak human standards. I've already established that Giyera was more than capable of putting May down with his bare fists, and May herself has damage soak just as impressive as Batroc's if not moreso:
Here, May's fighting Eva Belyakov, a metahuman with enhansed physiology, dangerous enough to be included on the Index, SHIELD's list of known enhansed individuals considered a threat. Eva is a lot stronger than any known Super Soldier, including Captain America. To give an idea of how strong she is:
"We believe Miss Belyakov possesses enhansed strenght. This (the above scan on Coulson's screen) is what happened when a Russian Police Officer tried to stop her with his car. Looks pretty strong to me."
Phil Coulson, Agents of SHIELD S2, "Melinda"
Not only is Belyakov stronger than Rogers, May also took more punishment in that fight than Georges did in his. First, Eva surprised her out of nowhere and punched her in the face, sending her flying across the room, then she kicked her away again, then slammed her to the ground. May got up and took a shot right at the knee, and she still kept standing. Eva knocks her down once more, and May remained conscious enough to impale her and shoot another metahuman afterwards. She also took out a handful of mercenaries during the scene.
Tldr; May took 2 direct hits, 2 indirect hits, a slam, all from someone above Captain America's weight class, and a gunshot right in the knee and was still conscious and on her feet. I don't believe Batroc has any kind of durability/endurance advantage on May, who was clearly depicted as less capable than Giyera stat-wise. If Giyera can put May, putting down Batroc won't be as much trouble as you seem to think.
Here Batroc keeps Captain America in a defensive position.
Batroc fights and keeps up with Captain America for 1 Minute and 15 Seconds.
That's longer than:
The Elevator Fight Scene against a dozen STRIKE Agents in Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
That's some flawed scaling man. First off, let's make something clear, quantity of time fighting someone is far from everything. Quality is a lot more important. Batroc lasted longer than Rumlow's STRIKE Team, but he did more than 10 times worse; technically, Rumlow alone gave a bigger challenge to the Captain. What I mean by quality =/= quantity is that while Batroc lasted more, he achieved absolutely nothing in after the initial ambush. The STRIKE Agents did a whole mess of crap against Steve, they incapacitated him, they damaged him and they tagged him more times than I can count.
To put the fight into perspective, after Steve was ambushed and knocked around for a few seconds, he got back on his feet. After that, he blocked and countered every single one of Batroc's attempts to hit him and tagged him the exact moment he decided to retaliate. After that, Batroc being the little btch he is decided to mock him and then Cap gets serious. He again blocks everything and beats him down. Basically, the entire exchange is Steve barely taking him seriously after getting surprised attacked and thrown off for a while. And it was still a one sided beatdown.
Since there's a decent amount of scaling that can be made between the SHIELD agents in the TV-series and in the films, I'd also like to mention that litteraly every high level agent we've seen in the films (besides Carter who doesn't have many showings herself) has given a Super Soldier a better fight than Batroc did here:
All these people made a lot more headway against their respective opponents than the Leaper did, even if the fights weren't "as long" as Batroc's. Giyera having fought May to a near standstill and giving Bobbi a solid exchange makes him comparable to Hawkeye and Black Widow more than anyone. May's already been stated to possess more black belts than the Widow, implying she's at least on the same level of martial arts mastery (IMO). Giyera clearly stands higher than Batroc up the food chain, and in regards to the fight with Steve, he'd definitely accomplish more. That's just my 2 cents on Batroc.
Agent 33's scaling to Melinda is about as flawed as Batroc's scaling to Steve. Basically, Kara was borderline toyed with by May, after the latter had been tortured via electrocution for what could be hours by Bakshi, one of HYDRA's elite. Here's some instances where, despite being nowhere near her full health, May demonstrated she was more satisfying herself beating down her impersonator than been challenged by her:
Despite all this context, with May's condition and mindset difference, Kara did not perform nearly as well Giyera, who made May bleed, cornered her and was choking her out. As for the highlights you presented, they're impressive, but I just want to take note of this moment of the fight,
Strength - Stuns May and sends her back with one punch.
Durability - Immediately gets back up after being kicked in the gut and having her head smashed off of a wooden table.
First off, Kara did not get immediately back up from being slammed by May on the table. She was down for a good few seconds. Then, she only managed to stun May and press her backwards because she pretended to be KO'd and surprised her out of nowhere while May was about to leave the room.
Has the upper hand and defeats Skye. And the feat against Skye is pretty good, as Skye is no slouch, she was able to hold off 5 Alisha Clones and even defeat some, Alisha was able to defeat a regular Shield Agent with ease.
The showing you provided against Skye basically proves my argument. Unlike with Batroc, the context behind your scaling with Kara is particularly evidently flawed because she is a very established fighter of the series and has fought close to every field agent on the Team, including Coulson, Skye, May and Bobbi. The fact that she was about even with Skye is enough to suggest she's nowhere near May's level - this is how May treated the same version of Skye, she countered each and every attempt with 1 hand behind her back, then got her on a hold and explained she didn't want to fight her.
In fact, this same version of Skye was also given a pretty tough fight from a random STRIKE Agent, these same soldiers that the likes of every high tier Specialist, including May, have fodderised in small groups. Speaking of, we've also seen how a full health and serious May treats Kara, she incapacitates her in 2 seconds and questions her about HYDRA. Compare those to Giyera, who gave an excellent fight to May in her prime.
Giyera has every advantage to these guys individually, and he'd honestly mop the floor with either one of them. Being more physically capable than May should be sufficient to say he's better than Batroc on this category and on the technical skill department, it's frankly nt even close. Giyera is evidently tiers above Kara by scaling, and Giyera has given good fights to agents on level with the best of those we've seen in the films,e vidently better than Georges.
Like I said, I completely understand 2v1 is far from easy, and that's why despite his superiority to either member of your team, I think it won't be an easy fight, but at the end of the day, your characters are up for an uphill battle. Kara can be disposed off quick, and Batroc, while he might take a while to put down, won't actually pose a threat. I want to take note, again, of Giyera's agility and how he incorporates that in combat - his fighting style is not a brawler type, it's a fluid master of martial arts style, meaning he's suited to fight while at a numbers disadvantage too.
@subline ball's on your court, again
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