Captain Marvel appears to be a bit of a glass cannon. Attacks from various Kree appeared to have made her flinch or even snap out of binary mode. Team might be a bit to take this, but it's a good fight either way.
Team handily. God mode Thor has more impressive energy projection and raw power and either are quite a bit stronger than her, not to mention far more durable. Thor could solo.
@cyberpunkcop: How? They're considerably stronger, far more durable, have shown better travel (running) and combat speed, and Thor's lightning > Marvel's blasts.
@cyberpunkcop: How? They're considerably stronger, far more durable, have shown better travel (running) and combat speed, and Thor's lightning > Marvel's blasts.
Only Thor is more durable and that's more due to lack of feats for Carol then anything else as for Strength overpowering that missile and throwing it is far beyond anything these two have done before IW and Carol's combat speed is tied directly to her flight they are by no means faster though I do agree Thor has better Energy Projection
Carol have a durability feat like tanking these three and standing back up?
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and that's more due to lack of feats for Carol then anything else as for Strength overpowering that missile and throwing as far beyond anything these two have done before IW
Lifting strength =/= striking strength. Their striking feats from that arena fight alone >> hers.
and Carol's combat speed is tied directly to her flight
Cool. When has she moved FTL while fighting someone on the ground?
they are by no means faster
Except they've been more impressive with their reaction speed, especially in Thor's case.
though I do agree Thor has better Energy Projection
Far better. Literally her only advantage is flight speed which isn't going to compensate for her far inferior strength, durability, combat speed or energy projection.
Carol have a durability feat like tanking these three and standing back up?
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All these ballistic missiles explosions didn't even slow her down and their blasts were visible from space in an earlier scene
She's a lot more durable then Hulk nothing harmed her in the film after she discovers the extent of her powers
Lifting strength =/= striking strength. Their striking feats from that arena fight alone >> hers.
Blows up a Kree warship twice the size of the outrider ships from IW in half the time
She overpowers a giant ballistic missile coming down fro orbit
She got them beat in both strength and striking power
Cool. When has she moved FTL while fighting someone on the ground?
When has Thor ever slapped someone??? just because she didn't doesn't mean she can't especially when we see her do that exact same thing at the end of the movie and even if you don't wanna admit she can move at those speeds she was still blitzing and intercepting ships and missiles at super speeds and reached orbit in seconds
Except they've been more impressive with their reaction speed, especially in Thor's case.
Do they really??? Hulk's best feat is cating a jet seet not even super sonic and while Thor does have very fast reactions that's hardly enough to react to a bullrush from her and that was her go to move in the climax
Far better. Literally her only advantage is flight speed which isn't going to compensate for her far inferior strength, durability, combat speed or energy projection.
Hre only advantages are strength striking power flight speed combat speed reaction speed she can throw both of them to space and be done with it
@cyberpunkcop: All these ballistic missiles explosions didn't even slow her down and their blasts were visible from space in an earlier scene
I was talking about blunt force durability.
Blows up a Kree warship twice the size of the outrider ships from IW in half the time
Not sure if you noticed, but Thor was doing that while wiping out the army of Outriders.
She overpowers a giant ballistic missile coming down fro orbit
Ok? And Thor without Stormbreaker held open the focusing gate for the neutron star by his lonesome (while potentially injured), holding it in place while being fried alive. Since he had no explicit or implicit strength growth between Ragnarok and IW, it's perfectly acceptable as a showing.
She got them beat in both strength and striking power
You still haven't given any examples of her displaying any kind of significant striking power, so no.
When has Thor ever slapped someone???
False equivalence.
just because she didn't doesn't mean she can't
No she can go from 0 mph to FTL instantly? Right.
especially when we see her do that exact same thing at the end of the movieand even if you don't wanna admit she can move at those speeds she was still blitzing and intercepting ships and missiles at super speeds and reached orbit in seconds
So...still no reaction speed feats or showings of her moving that fast while in combat, only flight speed. Ironically, the gif of her punching through the warship just undermines your point. It clearly shows her fists aren't moving at exceptionally fast speeds. Hell, Cap has comparable punching speed to that.
Do they really??? Hulk's best feat is cating a jet seet not even super sonic
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and while Thor does have very fast reactions that's hardly enough to react to a bullrush from her and that was her go to move in the climax
Thor's shrugged off blasts from a reality stone, tanked direct contact with the power stone despite being heavily injured, been blitzed by Ultron whilst not paying attention and relentless pummelled with no opportunity to recover. In all of those situations, he's not been put down. Throw in lightning (especially his cloak) and that's not happening.
Also, he's reacted to what appear to be tendrils moving fast enough to break the sound barrier from a very short distance (20 metres at best). She's obviously faster, but she doesn't have the striking power to put him down nor the skill and durability to survive a CQC fight with him. Energy projection isn't even worth going into as he's leaps and bounds ahead of her.
Hre only advantages are strength
Debatable. I'm going to repeat one of your points and say that his lifting strength isn't overly impressive before Ragnarok not because of an inability to pull them off but due to a lack of situations where he's been forced to do so.
striking power
Still haven't proven this whereas there's far more evidence to suggest that even one of them is far stronger in striking power.
flight speed
Already agreed with this but explained how he could counter it.
combat speed
Nope.
reaction speed
Lol no.
she can throw both of them to space and be done with it
Yes because neither of them could possibly land a hit on her while she's pushing them into space now, could they? She might be able to take out the Hulk, but definitely not Thor.
Not sure if you noticed, but Thor was doing that while wiping out the army of Outriders.
And she did it while wiping out a fleet only faster and to a bigger ship
Ok? And Thor without Stormbreaker held open the focusing gate for the neutron star by his lonesome (while potentially injured), holding it in place while being fried alive. Since he had no explicit or implicit strength growth between Ragnarok and IW, it's perfectly acceptable as a showing.
Ok I'll give you that
You still haven't given any examples of her displaying any kind of significant striking power, so no.
So you didn't see this
I'm starting to think you have a reading disability
False equivalence.
Or you're in denial
No she can go from 0 mph to FTL instantly? Right.
Did you even watch the movie that's literally what happened
So...still no reaction or speeds while doing that in combat, only flight speed.
She was flying and fighting at the same time you're reaching for straws here
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Are these supposed to be impressive???
Thor's shrugged off blasts from a reality stone, tanked direct contact with the power stone despite being heavily injured, been blitzed by Ultron whilst not paying attention and relentless pummelled with no opportunity to recover. In all of those situations, he's not been put down. Throw in lightning (especially his cloak) and that's not happening.
In both of these cases the stones weren't being used to their full potential and Carol has her own force field that blows up warships on contact add to that the fact that she absorbs energy and his lightning quickly becomes useless
@cyberpunkcop: you can’t really compare Thor’s feat of destroying the outrider ships with captain marvels feat of destroying the Kree destroyer based solely on size of the ships. The ships the outriders came in weren’t even really ships at all, they were drop pods, meant to tank the brunt of landing at reentry speeds. These ships may not have been as big as the Kree destroyer, but that’s a better blunt force durability feat than the destroyer has afaik.
Strength Carol overpowered then threw a large that missile. Seems 100ton class, but ill have to see if we get some kinda numbers.
Thor moved a some space rings with the help of rocket.
CM>Hulk>Thor
For Striking I was thinking of carol blowing through spaceships(some of those ships were definitely city block size). and in one scene oneshoting a very large one with a punch(she probably used a photon amped strike kinda like we differentiate between Thors Lighting amp and non amped strikes).
Those outrider ships were a comparable showing, unfortunately hulks top striking is seemingly below CM. Carol by feats, would of blown through the leviathan.
CM>Hulk>Thor
For Blunt Durability, Carol no sold a speeding (small) space ship to the belly while hovering, it blew up and didnt even move her.(she kinda braced).
I can think of a single showing from Thor or hulk on par with this.
CM>Hulk>Thor
Engery durability: Clearly Thor>CM>Hulk
Combat speed. Carol not only preformed bullrushes on both kree, and spaceships, she also has some pretty decent maneuverability, as she was dodging Spaceship blast, while flying at massively hypersonic speeds.
CM=Thor=Hulk
Energy output. Id argue CM, one shotting spaceships with just energy projection.
Interesting match. Hulk is a non-factor here. So let's talk gods.
Ragnorak Thor's energy output is above anything Carol has faced. But what she has faced she has no sold. I'm not comfortable NLF'ing this.
Carol did tank re-entry like nothing and the explosions from the Kree warheads though so I'm willing to say anything but Thor's biggest bolts wouldn't do much. While we're talking warheads let's talk strength.
Here Carol catches a Kree ballistic warhead falling at re-entry speeds, overpowers it's thrusters and then throws it back.
This missile was in and around building size.
That's more than enough to say Carol can compete with Thor in a slugging match. Nevermind what her flight and photon energy will add to her striking.
In terms of blunt for durability Carol has been able to fly through Kree fighters at high speed
Hit the ground from orbit with no damage. And last but not least
Likewise Thor has been staggered and hurt by energy attacks on the level of Carol even when she had the limiter chip on
Nevermind the power up she got afterwards
So I'm more than comfortable saying that Carol can at bare minimum hurt Thor with her energy attacks. Likewise she was seen using them as grapples much like Thor does here.
In terms of combat at least visually Carol has been shown to be very skilled. But she does not have many showing in this area.
In terms of speed.
Well her flight speed is FTL. No way around that. It just is.
In terms of combat speed she's been seen blitzing through opponents
And, despite flying at high speed into them was able to dodge Kree fighter energy blasts.
Bare minimum these blasts were able to outpace and tag object that could break orbit and keep pace with a Skrull modified Quinjet. They're easily hypersonic.
But flight is what seals it for Carol here. Though both have noteworthy leaping feats, Thor and Hulk can't do anything to her once she retreats to the sky. Her FTL travel speed will prevent Thor from tagging her with sky based lighting. She can swoop in and land high damage attacks with impunity. And should that fail her, her standard stats are more than enough to give either a run for their money.
@greysentinel365: Thanks for the feats, wasn’t aware of some of those reaction showngs. She’s probably going to be the Superman of Marvel at this rate.
@greysentinel365: Great post with great feats. One thing I wanted to go over though.
Likewise Thor has been staggered and hurt by energy attacks on the level of Carol even when she had the limiter chip on
I don't think Iron Man harming him should be used against him. It was implied in a tie in comic that Thor was somewhat weakened during his fight with Iron Man due to the magic Odin used to teleport him to earth. This would explain why he was hurt at points. If that weren't the case I'd just say its a high showing for Tony's repulsor's(Which could obliterate Chitauri ships and hurt Loki in the same film)or a low showing for Thor.
He has no sold near small town sized explosions without a problem.
People are plain dumb. Sry but if you say the missiles have that Little effect then missiles arent even nuke size bombs.
If the missiles hit where they should hit then explosions become bigger.
When cm fly towards the missile it didnt explode. Even if she didnt hit with full force it would still explode. Those explosions where not caused by the power of missile nuke thing it was just destroyed
If they where so powerful bombs then all those whould kill anything below or atleast do bigger shockwave and so on
All pre-ragnarok Thor lacks in ability to use lightning without his hammer, or at-least, he didn't showed it. He's still just as strong and durable, and hits much harder on average thanks to Mjolnir. Hulk is already his physical superior, and hits far harder than his mate without powers.
Thor packs more than enough skill to contend and edge Carol out, has enormous durability i don't see her surpassing, and more than sufficient strength to wrestle with her. Hulk, being a good deal stronger than both, has a high chance of turning this match into something unfair.
People forget how OP Thor was in his first movie. His lightning packs enough power to completely wreck the surrounding landmass into rubble, destroy a chunk of city, KO someone as durable as Hela twice and break bifrost bridge in one clean hit, etc. Also has insane pain tolerance. Is fast in combat.
And Hulk who took on someone who was cracking the bridge with just mere movements, took two lightning punches that sort of wrecked a part of arena they were fighting in, staggered 4 KM Surtur, took Tessaract powered weapons that would vaporize humans for minutes with just few blood drops, survived thousand of feet free-fall and kilometers high and long throw, etc.
It seems to me people really downplay Hulk just because Thanos put him down in IW. It was clear he wasn't fighting him like mad. He was still on a ship and you don't cut the branch you're sitting on. Plus he was visibly stunned(in a surprised way) after Thanos overpowered him and started punching him. He appeared way slower than he was in AOU and Ragnarok, because this was his first time encountering someone who truly could physically overpower him! Thanos basically sent him into shock and took the advantage. And just because fat Thor was wayyy slower and fought like an idiot doesn't negate all of his past feats.
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