(MCU) Captain Marvel & Scarlet Witch vs. (DCEU) Mera & Faora

This is entertaining.

Wanda can solo both rounds of she doesn’t get speedblitzed

Round 1- MCU Team 7-8/10

Round 2- MCU Team 5-6/10

U mean in moment when all team was distracted ( for example by african soldiers or Quicksilver ) then she was sneaking behind them mumbo jumboing them with minds. Sorry but her tp is useless in battle where u must quickly avoid attacks. + Neat beach it is massive mismatch when Mera shows her might

Wandas TP absolutely can be used in battle(the Avengers were in battle mode when she TP'd them) and it moves as fast as her energy powers(even has the same special effect).

• Manipulates a considerable number of civilians to evacuate the city

• Overpowers the effects of the Mind Stone - Context----Pay close attention to this one, because she can use her mind powers on the fly......while being sly:)

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Now I don't think Wanda needs her TP to beat Mera or Feroa; but she has it and that is a clear win condition for team MCU.

Mera is basically cannon fodder here and Carol is better than Faora in everything relevant

MCU stomps

@death4bunnies: ok shielding from mind gem effect is cool but about tp city this mist isn't moving fast

I don't think it needed to move extremely fast in that situation, plus the mist was also seeking out humans to TP.

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Do you think the way she moved her hand to break the mindstones control translates to her other TP powers??

I kinda do, the special effect was the same, its also very similar to the effect made when she TP's the Avengers, and if I recall correctly Thor even warned a few of them that she was doing that, and claimed to have some level of TP defense himself.

Like if the scientist woman was refusing to leave Sokovia, I think Wanda could 'make' her leave with a similar wave of the hand from a similar distance.

Is Mera the one who killed the man she loved while she watched?

Thats a very specific motivator that puts her well beyond mere blood lusted. Blood lust implies willing to kill, she wanted to torture and inflict as much pain on Thanos as she could because of her loss.

The feat you just listed for Carol does not place her above Gaora in all aspects. She isnt a match for Faora in combat speed or durability (though the difference isnt great). Strength is also debatable but I'd call it even.

Durability feats for Feora that match this??

CM No-sells Thanos's Artillery.------Feats for artillery include busting clean through a Leviathan

Strength feats for Feora that match this?

Catches and throws giant missile against its thrusters.

Striking feats for Feora that match this combo?

Punching through a accuser ship

Combat speed feats to match this?

While flying at mach+ speeds avoids blast at thats traveling at mach+ speeds.---Ok she may be a bit slower on the ground, but she did avoid 2 of Thanos's Punches then land 2 of her own, and Thanos went untagged when surrounded by Thor, Cap, and Ironman in this exchange.

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Captain Marvel has Feora out stated in everything but speed(Tho the difference isn't great)

@death4bunnies: Couldn't Wanda defeat Faora?

Mahvel solos.

Yes she also could, Wanda is a hard counter for bricks without the power of flight or energy projection.

CM No-sells Thanos's Artillery.------Feats for artillery include busting clean through a Leviathan

Not a durability feat, its a feat for her energy manipulation. She was glowing with energy.

Catches and throws giant missile against its thrusters.

Suggest you watch it again, she didn't "throw it against its thrusters" at all. Fact is when she tried she did nothing. Then she pushed it sideways and flipped it (which is the same as leverage and using the thrusters to aid you). Faora scales of Superman due to their fight and he caught a heavier space shuttle and actually did lift against its thrust

Punching through a accuser ship

Not a strength feat, its another feat for her energy manipulation. She was glowing with energy and her fists had a large glow around them with every strike

Combat speed feats to match this?

While flying at mach+ speeds avoids blast at thats traveling at mach+ speeds.---Ok she may be a bit slower on the ground, but she did avoid 2 of Thanos's Punches then land 2 of her own, and Thanos went untagged when surrounded by Thor, Cap, and Ironman in this exchange.

Every human pilot flying at mach speed reacts to things at mach speed in a dog fight. Its called relativity. Thanos never once demonstrated any noteable speed. Neither is impressive. Faora on the other hand reacted to and outmoved machine gun fire from a stationary position, reacted to a blitzing Superman (who does have speed feats of major note). Her combat speed is vastly greater.

The simple fact is after she had broken thru the restraint that the implant placed on her power use Carol was still put down by, harmed by and struggled to react to normal Kree warriors who dont have enhancements. When she employed her energy power this changed but this requires her to engage that power in advance. She lacks the reaction to consistently do so fast enough for Faora. If she starts up with a shield up she has a shot (as long as she keeps it) in a solo battle. If not she will have a hard time of it.

Let's relive this one.

Mcu team

Mera is fodderized by either and Faora doesn't fare much better. Wanda's TK can crush either easily and CM physically dwarves both of them to a massive degree.

As you said this is a mismatch.

Either of them solo. Wanda has explosion timing feats, and enough raw power to rip them apart like she was going to do to thanos

@beatboks1: Bloodlust is far more dangerous than wanting to torture.

If Wanda was truly bloodlusted, she would had killed Thanos without a second thought. What stopped her was the fact that she wanted him in pain.

The only reason Wanda isn't winning it by herself is Faora blitzing her. Carol definitely beats both Mera and Faora together. Mera doesn't belong here.

@phantomrisk: No one told you to bump such a stupid thread.

@hulk_like_fire: No one told you to reply. Just ignore it then.

Captain Marvel

Carol solos

Carol > Faora

Wanda >>> Mera

Team Marvel. Prep plays a huge role.

Carol will know to not engage in h2h with Faora and to get her off the ground and into Space.

Wanda can kill Mera in any case. She could also mind rape them with prep.

No its not.

When your bloodlusted you just want to kill. When your so enraged that you want to make someone suffer nore than death (becaaur death is to easy on them) like Wanda did your in a much hightened state than mere bloodlust. That's my point, what Wanda did to Thanos was in the most motivated state she could be in. She wayched him kill the man she loved. What she could do against him does not translate to any other opponent, unless said opponent does something to equally motivate her. Just like she did so much better vs Ultron after he had killed her brother than before. These arent standard feats that can be applied to battles vs others as in each she was specifically motivated to a higher tier

@beatboks1: Some of your arguments were trash. Just because Carol was glowing doesn't mean every feat she did while glowing was energy manipulation.

both mcu ladies can solo lmao

Faora solos both rounds low-diff. The giant speed-gap makes statues easy opponents and neither cm nor sw has large mountain durability, so they are screwed.

@gangorca:

it pretty much does especially when there is no strength feat to say otherwise. There is no feat of Carol lifting anything, no feat without an energy cone around her. Hell there isnt evenan instance of her making a punching motiom to makenit a strength feat. At best you could say its her velocity combined with force shield (which ismt strengrh but impulse). The fact that when fighting physically against non enhanced kree etc she was doing no better than Capt America levels pretty much proves she doesnt have strength

Physically carol didnt have a feat that shows super strength anywhere near Faora. She has travel speed yes, but her reactions were no better than a normal human fighter pilot when they are travelling at speed.

If you want to make a counter argument offer some proof tontue contrary.

@beatboks1:

it pretty much does especially when there is no strength feat to say otherwise.

That a load of bullshit and we both know it.

There is no feat of Carol lifting anything, no feat without an energy cone around her

Having energy around you doesn't make everything you do a result of energy manipulation. What kind of logic is this? Carol literally stopped a building sized missile with strength, not energy.

Hell there isnt evenan instance of her making a punching motiom to makenit a strength feat. At best you could say its her velocity combined with force shield (which ismt strengrh but impulse).

If you're referring to her bullrushes, she is literally shown punching the inside of the Accuser ship as we see her flying through the walls.

The fact that when fighting physically against non enhanced kree etc she was doing no better than Capt America levels pretty much proves she doesnt have strength

She beat several skrulls while having arm restraints and being limited by an inhibitor chip. She also survived rentry levels of heat and falls from the upper atmosphere twice. She also punched Kree ships apart. Do you think Captain America can lift the whole ship that Tony and Nebula were on? Nothing your downplay can do to change that.

Physically carol didnt have a feat that shows super strength anywhere near Faora. She has travel speed yes, but her reactions were no better than a normal human fighter pilot when they are travelling at speed.

Faora's best strength feat is tossing Superman a kilometer and still with enough momentum to break a vault door but this pales in comparison to her missile feat. Her combat speed is better but she isn't winning solely of off that.

If you want to make a counter argument offer some proof tontue contrary.

Just did.

@gangorca:

No it's not a load of bulshit maybe you don't know it but I do and the fact that you can't make a reasoned argument to contrary or show proof his more evidence of that fact

If Carole had a single feet of actual super strength showing she uses muscles to achieve that rather than energy shield then you can make that argument but you've yet to present One

The flash doesn't have super strength but he can strike with him mince power why because of his velocity it's cold and i m p

Not a single feet of Carol's throughout any of the movies she has appeared in has her achieving anything resembling strength without velocity or an energy field around her, and the fact that her punches don't seem to do any more than Captain America does without an energy shield is the reason why you can't make the argument that it's strength. If she had a single punch to show that it was then it would be a different story but she doesn't.

Once again all the feats you mention or durability are with an energy cone around her a, force field. we don't see her tanking much without one. the final battle was without any chip reducing her power and she wasn't doing much to the kree in the ship when she wasnt constrained at all and at full power.

So let's see the argument with being presented here you would have us believe that when she can't punch a normal being capable of being hurt by Captain America with any greater force then he can causing any greater damage but can punch are ship whilst moving it velocity with an energy field we have to take the latter as a strength feat ? Ludacris and appaling logic.

In Superman films on the contrary when he's flying we see him throw his arms for more thrust it's physical strength being used to propel him or his own muscles. We see him lift heavy things we see him actually reverse the thrust of something . Show a single piece of evidence of Carol achieving that through physical movement without a shield or some sort of energy cone and you have an argument that it's possible when she has the cone but since not exist it doesn't work. The single and only strength feat from Carol in any movie that shows any level of enhanced strength at all os whrn she flips the missile back at the other missiles. Its the one and only time we see her use physical strength. She uses her thrust first to stop its thrust and then we see her struggle and physically flip it. Essentially straining to lift her arms up and turn the head of the missile. If she had actually pushed it back against its thrust (instead of turning it) that would have been between a 29 to 45 tonne feat. Applying the vector of 90 degrees as per the actual feat it becomes a 12 to 20 tonne feat. Even if we're hugely generous and apply say a 65 degree vector it becomes a 16 to 25 tonne feat. The differing scale is if the missile is under stage 1 or 2 of thrust (i.e the thrust needed to launch from gravity which this missule didnt need as launched from space, so the lower figure applies for all). FYI punching the interior (usually weaker metal as its not to shield against space, re-entry etc) metal of a ship, is something a 12 to 16 tonner can do, as are a great many of MCU Caps feats (like putting a hole in a tank with his shield)

That is the only feat we have for Carol that can substantiate any level of strength because even though she has an energy cone we see her actually use physicals to do it (whichbwe dont with any of the other feats randonly thrown around. Its perfectly quantifiable and doesnt put her anywhere near the physical level of Faora. Nothingnelse can be verified as a strength feat because nothing shows it as strength and its contradicted by the actual strength feats she has. If the woman strains stuggles and groans to produce a feat in the teen tonnes then how can she possibly produce a feat magnitudes higher? The answer is supplied, they are all at speed where her velocity, and her force field make them a stonger strike.

To argue to the contrary you need to provide evidence that simply doesnt exist. The missile she stopped was the same size and travelling at the same velocity as any ICBM. It cant have greater force than one without greater mass or greater speed (which it didnt have). It didnt need thrusters to achieve escape velocity as it started from outside the planets gravity (which in itself actually presents and argument for it having lower thrust than an ICBM as it had gravity's acceleration the whole way and still wasnt faster).

So provide evidence that supports your claim and isnt contradicted by most of her movie and we can have a discussion. Without this there is none because evidence a plenty from her two movie appearances supports the fact she simply isnt that strong.

@beatboks1:

DCEU Kryptonian flight isnt sourced from their strength. That's from the novel,, which is 100% MoS script.

The missile was incapable of any further acceleration after she tossed it. The missile also weighs more than an ICBM and is capable of its own acceleration as shown in previous instances of getting fired.

Captain Marvel overpowering Thanos was filmed to reflect how powerful she is (aka the fact that Thanos couldn't beat her without siccing the Power stone was emphasized in particular). That's from Jeff Ford, the editor, and Anthony Russo.

@beatboks1:

Those ‘normal beings’ she was punching were Skrulls and Kree and they are both above standard human levels of strength. Skrulls casually fling around humans like nothing. One of the same Kree she beat was nearly going one on one with Drax who is easily superhuman.

The Flash can’t lift the Bentar like Carol did.

“Using her muscles” was exactly what she was doing against the giant missile when she sticks out her arms and grabs the thing and visibly threw it. Her physical strength did that, not her energy shield.

Calling her missile feat a 25 tonners or below feat and a ‘Cap level feat’ is a ridiculous lowball. Do you have eyes or did you not see her stop it with her own thrust and not an energy shield? How would the force field slow down the missile if we’ve already established her energy makes her striking more powerful? She would’ve plowed through the missile instead of catching it.

Also, she didn’t just turn it, she threw it in the opposite direction. The missile doesn’t actually turn until halfway through her throw. This is ignoring the fact that we have no idea how much it weighs or how much force it was propelling into Carol so you’re whole “calc” was bullshit. Perfectly quantifiable my ass, anyone with basic knowledge of Cap can look at that feat and say Cap can’t replicate that.

So when Superman throws out his arms that’s him increasing the strength of his thrust but when Carol does that while fighting spaceships she MUST be using her shield because she has energy around her. Did it ever occur to you that maybe the energy increases all her physical attributes and isn’t just a shield?

“If the woman strains stuggles and groans to produce a feat in the teen tonnes”

Your calc was bullshit so this is irrelevant.

Also, comparing that missile to an ICBM when you have no idea what it’s velocity or mass while acting so certain that you do only proves you have no argument. There’s also the Bentar feat which is a strength feat significantly above Cap’s paygrade.

@gangorca: lol keep pretending that mcu cap isn't toaa

Lol beatboks uses "ludacris" instead of "ludicrous"

@viking1205: the fact you think faora can blitz an explosion timer is laughable

Either lady solos

@gangorca:

Hahaha ROFLMAO

so now you want to argue my case for me as a case against me?

Do you have eyes or did you not see her stop it with her own thrust and not an energy shield?

SO tell me me enlightened friend how exactly does Carol get this "THRUST"?

Does she not fly because of her energy projection?

That is EXACTLY my point.

Those ‘normal beings’ she was punching were Skrulls and Kree and they are both above standard human levels of strength. Skrulls casually fling around humans like nothing. One of the same Kree she beat was nearly going one on one with Drax who is easily superhuman.

show me a single feat from any MCU film performed by either Drax or any Kree that would place them level with MCU Cap?

“Using her muscles” was exactly what she was doing against the giant missile when she sticks out her arms and grabs the thing and visibly threw it. Her physical strength did that, not her energy shield.

that is correct as I already said. That is her ONLY muscular feat and it's simply NOT that impressive.

Also, comparing that missile to an ICBM when you have no idea what it’s velocity or mass while acting so certain that you do only proves you have no argument.

the missile was less than half to a third the size of an ICBM, I've been extremely lenient with its mass that I could substantially reduce because of how it was represented. It's speed however isn't in question we have a time frame of it's movement and a reasonable distance based on the percieved size of the ships in space.

which brings us to

Your calc was bullshit so this is irrelevant.

My calculation wasn't bullshit it is perfectly relevant which you would understand if you had a clue re physics.

Based on the size and velocity of the missile we can apply the thrust of on ICBM (an ICBM is actually two and a half to three times the size of the one in the movie , but I'm making huge allowances for the unknowns, like alien construction and different materials). mass of an ICBM is 15000 to 22000 kg (15-22 tonnes) and I added three tonnes (more allowance). It was not accelerating when she flipped it (f=mxa) but it did have thrust, that she had already countered with her own thrust (that thrust would have been around 300 thousand pounds or 136 tonnes of force, that is the sort of force her flight caused by thrust can do with the thrust of her energy projection, so yes significant and why she could do what she did to the kree ships, he flight basically makes her hit like a 100 + tonner). now to the actual turn around of the missile, the ONE AND ONLY MUSCULAR STRENGTH feat. SHe didn't just push it back the way it had come (which would have been over a 25 tonne feat based on my figures because then she would have also been countering 300,000 pounds of thrust as well as the weight). what she did was flip it, she lifted it's nose to beyond a right angle. that means she only applied the force needed to move the object on that vector.

said calculation is mass (25 tonne) cos x angle. I used an able of 60 degrees from the original trajectory and hence got a figure of 12.5

1. I made a huge allowance for the mass attributing the mass of something 2.5 to 3 times larger.

2. I made an allowance for the angle also which was more like 70 degrees (which would make it more like 8.55 tonnes)

There’s also the Bentar feat which is a strength feat significantly above Cap’s paygrade.

Ohh please, you mean the ship {should I say Benatar since your so stuck on spelling :) } that she carries through the weightlessness of space to earth. The ship that has wings that would give it lift under speed in an atmosphere (like a plane does in flight). Sorry, I haven't the time to give more physics lessons. maybe you can research that one yourself

@rajjarsalt:

DCEU Kryptonian flight isnt sourced from their strength. That's from the novel,, which is 100% MoS script.

I'm sorry, did you not watch MoS?

He starts of jumping. in the middle of his 4th Jump at 1.07 he throws his arms forward to continue through the air instead of fall, eventually he does. 2.10 to 2.15 he is pressing down so hard in his muscle tensing that we see the earth move ant then he makes a leap that he doesn't fall from. he consistently throws his arms in slight different directions to steer, literally pulling back one fist or another ready to make a turn. At 3.16 as he's flying up at slowing speed he throws his arms up to accelerate.

It's on screen throughout all the movies. the visual interpretation most definitely does show that he uses strength for flight

The missile was incapable of any further acceleration after she tossed it. The missile also weighs more than an ICBM and is capable of its own acceleration as shown in previous instances of getting fired.

please tell me how something that much smaller weights more? a single stage ICBM is 70ft or 21 meters tall, and 10 ft or 3 meters in diameter. that would make it twice as wide as Carol was tall and 11 times her height. It was however only a little wider than her (maybe 1.3) and between 3 to 4 times her height. Also the acceleration after it was thrown is irrelevant to the force used to turn it

lol, either on team MCU solo. Nobody can put down carol, who took sanctuary missiles to the head and no sold Thanos's attacks. Wanda has the greatest physical power in terms of her tk

@beatboks1

Your analysis on the Benatar feat shouldn't apply. It's not like it just loses mass or anything. Which means accelerating it to a velocity is still a feat. If the Benatar was 100x that size or even 0.01x that size that would still matter. It's like Superman punching WW back to Earth or Odin and Jane Thor trading punches between Saturn and Jupiter.

I did watch MoS, but I also read a tiny bit of the novel. I also found out that the novel is just the MoS script turned to book form. There's no debate. It's not strength. And I wouldn't use headcanon for CM's flight and then proceed to deny established canon for Superman's in place for visually interpreted headcanon.

Cuz ICBM's are made of lightweight metals like aluminum or perhaps a hollow cylinder of steel then filled with propellant (which sux weightwise_ and you likely know this too. The Kree warheads...are not.

The acceleration, or lack thereof, after it was thrown is definitely relevant. It means she's constantly going against the thrust, meaning that the force generated by her arms is resisting the force of the missile that's pushing against her. I mean, it was shown rather clearly on screen. Before CM arrives, the missile is moving. After CM arrives, the missile isn't. It's not like the missile just massively decelerated on its own or anything.

And it's not like any of your Carol lowball is supported by the canon. She literally overpowered Thanos. If this "energy shield" was so relevant in making her a high tier then it probably would have been more established beyond your interpretation, no?

And lol at those horridly inaccurate dimensions.

@beatboks1:

so now you want to argue my case for me as a case against me?

Because that's what you got from my argument?

SO tell me me enlightened friend how exactly does Carol get this "THRUST"?

Does she not fly because of her energy projection?

That is EXACTLY my point.

You said she was using an energy SHIELD to allow herself to plow through objects, not energy projection. You like changing your stance only when one interpretation doesn't fit your view? This is still irrelevant to the point because even if she was using energy projection to propel herself, she still wouldn't be strong or durable enough to stop and throw that missile with only Cap level physicals.

show me a single feat from any MCU film performed by either Drax or any Kree that would place them level with MCU Cap?

Aside from his insane durability, Drax can overpower Gamora with one hand (who can easily use the giant ship gun), crack Ronan's armor with a few punches (same armor wasn't too badly damaged from the hadron enforcer), ripped a robot in half with ease, and broke out of Groot's restraints.

that is correct as I already said. That is her ONLY muscular feat and it's simply NOT that impressive.

Lifting the Benatar isn't impressive? Body slamming into a Kree ship unharmed isn't impressive?

the missile was less than half to a third the size of an ICBM, I've been extremely lenient with its mass that I could substantially reduce because of how it was represented.

It's a missile designed to dig into and explode the Earth. It has very little in common with an ICBM so using that as a measurement of mass is pointless. The missile is obviously not made of the same material either. Also, how was it presented as less in mass than an ICBM?

It's speed however isn't in question we have a time frame of it's movement and a reasonable distance based on the percieved size of the ships in space.

Nothing but speculation.

My calculation wasn't bullshit it is perfectly relevant which you would understand if you had a clue re physics.

Based on the size and velocity of the missile we can apply the thrust of on ICBM (an ICBM is actually two and a half to three times the size of the one in the movie , but I'm making huge allowances for the unknowns, like alien construction and different materials). mass of an ICBM is 15000 to 22000 kg (15-22 tonnes) and I added three tonnes (more allowance). It was not accelerating when she flipped it (f=mxa) but it did have thrust, that she had already countered with her own thrust (that thrust would have been around 300 thousand pounds or 136 tonnes of force, that is the sort of force her flight caused by thrust can do with the thrust of her energy projection, so yes significant and why she could do what she did to the kree ships, he flight basically makes her hit like a 100 + tonner). now to the actual turn around of the missile, the ONE AND ONLY MUSCULAR STRENGTH feat. SHe didn't just push it back the way it had come (which would have been over a 25 tonne feat based on my figures because then she would have also been countering 300,000 pounds of thrust as well as the weight). what she did was flip it, she lifted it's nose to beyond a right angle. that means she only applied the force needed to move the object on that vector.

said calculation is mass (25 tonne) cos x angle. I used an able of 60 degrees from the original trajectory and hence got a figure of 12.5

1. I made a huge allowance for the mass attributing the mass of something 2.5 to 3 times larger.

2. I made an allowance for the angle also which was more like 70 degrees (which would make it more like 8.55 tonnes)

No. You guessed the mass, you guessed the velocity, you forgot to take into account that she threw the missile against it's thrust, you didn't take into account the missile not turning over until halfway through the throw, and that's not her only muscular strength. Your whole calc is a mess.

I've already explained to you that this makes no sense. Convenient that out of all the things you responded to in my previous comment, you left this part out.

Ohh please, you mean the ship {should I say Benatar since your so stuck on spelling :) }

Coming from someone who misspelled perceived and doesn't use proper brackets.

that she carries through the weightlessness of space to earth.

Inertia still exists in space and she moved the thing at FTL speeds. So much for your boasts about physics. She also lifted the thing overhead on Earth.

The ship that has wings that would give it lift under speed in an atmosphere (like a plane does in flight). Sorry, I haven't the time to give more physics lessons. maybe you can research that one yourself

She set it down on the ground very slowly and still wasn't straining herself. It's above Cap's level either way.

Carol solostomps

Wanda could solo if she immediately targets Faora or if she can split her focus between Faora and Mera.

People still trying to lowball CM smh. Can't get over the fact that she has an on screen 100k tonner feat and that she overpowered Thanos. The missile feat has been calced by Divine who is imo the most reliable person when it comes to that sort of thing to be over a 100k metric tons. Going of visuals and other information Thor's iris feat is at least a 100k tonner feat imo. Thanos scales over Hulk who scales over Thor. CM scales over Thanos. Saying she is in the 200k ton range isn't a stretch. Furthermore two strikes from her bruised Thanos. Two was all. Imagine 10-20. And her Sanctuary 2 feat is one of the best if not the best striking feat performed by an MCU avenger. And she no sold a headbutt from Thanos that had just knocked out Thor. There is no argument for the other team. CM rips Mera apart and makes short work of Faora. Wanda has superior damage output to CM and could wreck the team as well.

wanda solos. eeeeeee i cant wait to see her show, shes only going to get stronger

Ah.... we all know who would win.

MCU. Hell, bloodlusted Wanda can potentially solo. She’s reacted to bullets, which Is probably around Faora’s speed. Add in TK hold and either crush and/or mind bang, the DCEU team is done.

@beatboks1: Bloodlust is still far more dangerous.

Her wanting to torture him makes her act irrationally and would prolong Thanos’ death. Someone as smart and resourceful as Thanos won’t overlook that.

Bloodlust would mean she’s equally angry, just not stupid about it.