MCU Captain America VS. MCU U.S. Agent

Rules

• Morals on
• Win by KO or death
• Who is the better Captain America?

Round 1

H2H only

Round 2

Standard gear, both have their shields

Callouts

Cap is better all around.

Honestly hard to say... Walker is proving to be a beast.. really surprising me... also the new serum is ‘perfected’ in universe.

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Man it might just be new show hype.. but I just don’t know.. I’ll consider all arguments.

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We still don't have enough feats to see how Walker is with the serum. But he has potential to be very strong.

Don't forget, before getting the serum, Walker was already in tip top shape, and was training with Cap's shield and was doing very well. Who knows how strong he is with the serum now.

US Agent as no morals

Cap for now.

is it just me or does US Agent resemble the old man from UP

I guess this new formula is better than the original. I still see Steve outs killing him and beating him both rounds.

I say Steve wins Do to more experience in fighting

Johns Physicals were Outrageous but Steves Stays level headed enough to Put the Hurt on exploiting Johns Sloppy Fighting Style,

to Make it interesting there should be only one Shield in the Middle of the Battle Field 20 Metes apart

Cap I think

Cap. Walker is just brute force. Still lacks the skill to contend with Steve. People are forgetting that Bucky and Sam were just trying to take the shield away from Walker whereas Walker had no hesitance to use lethal force.

In universe I think Cap would be written to win but its undeniable Walker has the better feats even with limited screen time.

Also morals on i think Walker would undoubtedly hold back against Steve.

Either they nerfed Bucky or this is a much closer fight than people think. I mean, technically, Bucky is stronger than Cap with his metal arm. In every Buck vs Cap encounter in the past, Cap used skill to beat him while Bucky sort of dominated Cap physically. With his new Vibranium Arm, things should've been even better for Buck but Walker was sort of dominating him and Falcon together.

Steve should still be superior because by in universe logic, he is one of the most skilled people in the MCU but Walker is the perfect soldier. He is perhaps superior to Buck or the new serum is just better or perhaps Walker's enhancements are superior because his stats were already off the charts for a human even before the serum.

Either way, Cap won't have any stat advantage in this fight. I'd say he still beats Walker but it's mid-high diff and only through pure skill

Leaning towards Cap.

Cap high dif.

Are people saying Walker has a stats advantage scaling off Bucky because feats Wise Cap is still a tier stronger.

@j_normal: Well obviously, considering how much effort it took Bucky and Falcon to put in to beat him.

Walker should be more similar to these guys:

Steve, but it won’t be easy at all.

Steve but it's close now

Question: Is a Hand Gun Considered Standard Gear for Steve ?

Walker clowned Bucky and had him dead to rights multiple times throughout their fight. Caps greater skill makes this at least relatively close, but considering he ragdolled Bucky who can pressure Steve I feel like Walker is just more savage and will power through Steve and claim his mantle.

Steve and it's not close. PIS is riddled across all of walkers best feats

Steve. Bucky and Sam didn’t want to hurt walker at all till the end of the fight. Also Steve fought a more agresive and geared versión of bucky

I have a feeling Steve is coming back to put John in his place after he goes apeshit evil.

Cap wins through superior skill but Walker’s superior stats make it closer than I’d thought the fight would be.

Morals on it will be hard for Steve to put Walker down, but I see him winning after a tough fight, morals off Steve easily.

Not really, these guys are the best and most deadliest agents in Hydra history taking super-soldier serums, they are more skilled fighters than Walker.

Bump.

Steve H2H, Walker CQC.

But Steve would be written to win either

Cap fanboys' resilience is better than Cap's own resilience, IMO.

Walker.

Walker is very strong for a Super Soldier, and it's true that he bodied Bucky for a bit. But things to note: He's really unskilled, to the point that he struggled a bit with Sam. Second, the tide shifted a lot once they got the shield away from him (Bucky was suddenly able to handle him 1v1). Also, Bucky and Sam weren't bloodlusted, Walker was.

Steve has similar stats and drastically more skill. With equal gear, I say Steve takes it every time.

Steve wins H2H decisively, with shields it could go either way

@deep_silver: uh, Bucky was “suddenly” able to handle Walker 1v1 after they got the shield away from him because they broke his arm

@mike_fowler: Yeah, that's obviously part of it. But it was his left arm that got broken, and Bucky still straight up stopped a punch from his right arm.

Steve still has the better feats overall, but by scaling off bucky its hard to say

In my opinion, WS > civil war bucky > post wakanda bucky because he is actively trying to not kill or hurt people, and that probably is putting a limit to his ability right now.

If thats true, then cap still wins easily. But the new serum+rage seems to be making walker stronger than a normal SS, soo... we will have to see.

@deep_silver:

Again, they broke his arm. Like, it doesn’t matter that it was the other arm, he’s gonna be in too much pain to either deliver a full strength punch or actually defend himself

It’s why Bucky tells him that it’s over, he clearly isn’t fit to continue fighting at that point because of his arm

Now that you mention it, his first shot in the show does seem like that guy.

Cap takes this.

Bump.

Cap.

we can talk after Walker pulls a helicopter out of flight lol. He's just overhyped after a recent impressive showing which happens with every LA character. Sam & Bucky were just trying to reign John in and have him hand over the shield & he went apeshit on them, IDK why people are equating this with Cap's fights with Bucky in genuine Winter Soldier mode