Armed combat. Age Of Ultron's feats apply. Cap has his shield while Slade and Ra's each has a vibranium sword. Morals off. Battle takes place at the snowy mountain where Ra's fought Oliver. Win by death. Which side takes the cake?
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Armed combat. Age Of Ultron's feats apply. Cap has his shield while Slade and Ra's each has a vibranium sword. Morals off. Battle takes place at the snowy mountain where Ra's fought Oliver. Win by death. Which side takes the cake?
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Cap takes this IMO. He's well out of any normal human's league, Ra's is just fodder here and Deathstroke is outclassed in all areas.
Cap takes this IMO. He's well out of any normal human's league, Ra's is just fodder here and Deathstroke is outclassed in all areas.
With Mirakuru, Slade is not outclassed in strength or durability and without it, he's than a challenge for Steve in skill.
What feats did Cap get from AOU?
Did he get new ones other than that motorcycle feat?
If this is Mirakuru Slade, he solos.
Steve stomps, even without AoU feats. Slade can't beat him without Mirakuru.
Not that he would regardless :P
@super_mod: Cap was throwing people 30-40 meters, bisecting stark suits and fighting Utron in hand, all things slade can't do.
@highaccuser: You think Slade without Mirakuru and Ra's are enough to overwhelm him?
If Slade has Mirakuru then the team wins 10/10.
Crossbones was able to hold his own against Cap for a short time and he isn't that skilled. Slade and especially Ra's are absolute masters and I think they could take a few wins but cap wins a majority
@jayc1324: He got two hits in, with a stun baton. How is that holding his own?
@highaccuser: You think Slade without Mirakuru and Ra's are enough to overwhelm him?
No. I assume he has it here.
@highaccuser: Current Slade doesn't have it, so I don't think he has it here
@highaccuser: Current Slade doesn't have it, so I don't think he has it here
If he doesn't have it Cap wins.
@stormdriven: I said for a short while. Cap either tosses people with one arm or one shots them. The fact that Crossbones was able to get hits in at all and actually blocked and dodged some of caps hits means a lot. Cap is superhuman by real life standards, so not getting immediately stomped is great for a human. Not to mention that Cap didn't even beat crossbones with skill, he tossed him into the ceiling. Slade and Ra's aren't gonna be disposed of so easily and are vastly more skilled than Crossbones was.
Ra's al Ghul > Deathstroke > Captain America.
Arrow has some of the most underrated fighters of any franchise around.
How does Cap defeat someone with who solos with agility like this? Crossbones overwhelmed cap with his opening strikes, even blocking a few. Ra's is basically tiers above Crossbones.
Cap either tosses people with one arm or one shots them
As he did most of the guys on that elevator.
The fact that Crossbones was able to get hits in at all and actually blocked and dodged some of caps hits means a lot
He dodged one of Steve's punches, blocked two, and hit him twice (the blocks and hits were simultaneous). All in the span of about 4 seconds. Steve ended the fight in the next second.
Cap is superhuman by real life standards, so not getting immediately stomped is great for a human.
So I guess a 4 second fight is impressive now?
Not to mention that Cap didn't even beat crossbones with skill, he tossed him into the ceiling
Whatever works.
Slade and Ra's aren't gonna be disposed of so easily and are vastly more skilled than Crossbones was.
And why won't they be? Steve has his shield, hasn't been tagged by stun batons, isn't being restrained by magnetic cuffs, and isn't pulling his punches. And so what if they happen to be more skilled than Rumlow (not that we know for sure, since Rumlow has hardly any feats)? Steve isn't going to be pulling punches here, so he can easily one shot them with a good shield bash.
Still Steve. His shield makes for a better weapon given its balance of offense and defense, and Steve's overwhelming physicals coupled with his skill powering that shield make for an attack neither Slade nor Ra's can take. Especially since everyone is morals off. Steve isn't fighting with kid gloves.
If slade has Mirakuru then it becomes a tough fight. Cap can KO Ra's pretty easily with 1-2 shield strikes but Slade will be tough to take down.
Cap still has edge in Agility. I'd say Cap has a lil edge in durability too. They are more or less equal in strength.
Still slade was knocked out with Oliver's explosive arrow. I don't see why cap can't knock him out with repeated shield strikes. But slade is a force to be reckoned with whatsoever. Tough fight.
I say cap wins 6/10
@stormdriven said:
Still Steve. His shield makes for a better weapon given its balance of offense and defense, and Steve's overwhelming physicals coupled with his skill powering that shield make for an attack neither Slade nor Ra's can take. Especially since everyone is morals off. Steve isn't fighting with kid gloves.
@nickzambuto: Omg exactly. Though i'm not quite sure about Ra's > Slade. Even in the third season Slade is able to knock Ollie out with a single good punch.
@nickzambuto: Omg exactly. Though i'm not quite sure about Ra's > Slade. Even in the third season Slade is able to knock Ollie out with a single good punch.
I would say Slade had the element of surprise when he did that.
Team. Ra's out-skills Cap, but is out of his weight class. Slade makes up for it by being the durability mvp, having a healing factor, reflexes on par with Cap, while not too far behind in skill.
@nickzambuto: Omg exactly. Though i'm not quite sure about Ra's > Slade. Even in the third season Slade is able to knock Ollie out with a single good punch.
Well that was a sucker punch. He came out of the forest and socked Ollie when he was completely unprepared. Brilliant display of tactics since he knew exactly where to wait for Ollie and also terrific stealth, and Slade has always had the strength edge compared to Ollie's greater agility, but in reality that was hardly a fair fight. Later in the episode the two fought on par.
If Slade has mirakuru this is a mismatch. If he doesn't than I will say the team.
Interesting. But assuming Ra's isnt' there in this fight,if you were to pick between Steve and a Mirakuru pumped Slade, who would you give a majority to?
If Slade has mirakuru this is a mismatch. If he doesn't than I will say the team.
Interesting. But assuming Ra's isnt' there in this fight,if you were to pick between Steve and a Mirakuru pumped Slade, who would you give a majority to?
I kind of lean towards deathstroke for a slight majority but I'm not entirely confident and this will likely change after civil war. I think Slade can out last him and I think he might have a slight combat speed edge on Steve considering he easily overwhelmed Oliver in less than 15 seconds while he wasn't even serious. Cap's speed is enhanced however I haven't seen him overwhelm a human being of Olivers level as quickly as Slade did. He did beat Rumlow quickly but Rumlow did dodge 2 strikes and was only defeated quickly because Steve was to strong for him. All though Steve can stomp Oliver in sheer hand to hand its more so due to his durability and strength than it is speed. Steve's shield could possibly be used to disarm Slade of his sword but Slade also carries guns as well. So even if Slade does get disarmed I could see Slade stunning Steve with a punch which would expose him to be shot. While Steve did display the ability to counter Bucky's gun fire (who admittedly showed the ability to transition between weapons quicker than Slade has), he was also shot eventually. And also granted Steve did endure 3 bullets from Bucky, I think a bullet to the head could end things and it wouldn't be impossible for Slade to shoot him in a vital. Now if that doesn't work I think Slade does stand a decent shot still. The main point is however is Slade has the potential to end the fight with a well placed bullet or stab, but Steve has to work to KO Slade. Slade was able to no sell a hit from Roy, and while I can understand cap being stronger on average Roy is still super human. On top of that Slade has his armour and his healing factor which will make dropping him a huge problem.
Basically I feel with Mirakuru Slade can take more of a beating and with his combat speed I think he has a good chance of landing a severe wound on Steve to end the fight. Steve has advantages like mobility/agility, his shield, and skill is debatable IMO. He is probably stronger based on consistent showings as well IMO. But I feel Slade has the most important advantages (damage soak/endurance, combat speed, bladed/piercing based weaponry). Civil war will probably change things however. And as I said I'm not 100% with this. Like I'm actually scared to post this comment because I can see a case being made for Steve easily. Like Slade wins like 5.1/10 as long as he doesn't job.
For once, I can say that Arrow characters are underrated. Both Ra's and Slade are a good match for Oliver individually. Ra's skill clearly surpasses Cap in skill and Slade has also shown that he's just as good, if not better, than Cap in fighting.
Oliver, who can dodge bullets, is clearly faster than Cap when it comes to fighting. Just at the beginning of the last fight of Captain America Winter Soldier, Captain America tried to intercept Bucky's bullets, and he did succeed in doing so, but the last bullet hit Cap unlike Oliver who has dodged bullets countless times, as Nickzambuto has shown in his multiple reasonings. Oliver was nothing but a rookie to Ra's before Oliver got trained by Malcolm Merlyn.
This clearly shows that Ra's surpasses Cap in combat speed, and the fact that he effortlessly beat Oliver here is also a showing to Ra's skill. Also, let's not forget about the fact that Ra's carries a sword in this fight. Clearly, Ra's alone is good enough to give Cap a good fight, I have no idea why some people say he's just a fodder to Cap when he surpasses him in two fundamental areas for winning a fight.
Deathstroke with mirakuru will treat Cap like a child, but without it it's a close fight between them nonetheless. Slade's skill is also comparable to Cap's, if not better. He was about to defeat Oliver in Arrow S02E23 by sheer fighting, but Oliver trapped Slade with cable arrows in the video below. Also, Slade has guns, and it's safe to say that Slade is much more accurate than Winter Soldier with guns considering that he shot five-six soldiers, using only one bullet for each, with a gun before any of the soldiers were able to react. I'll see if I can find a video showing that. Maybe you can provide me with the clip, if you know how to find it, @nickzambuto?
Deathstroke and Ra's wins. Team stomps if Slade is on mirakuru.
Also, can someone please show me a clip or a video of Cap throwing people 30-40 metres away with his arms? Because I'm pretty sure that I only saw him toss people 6-12 metres away. I'd like som evidence, please.
@nickzambuto: Well he was kinda beating Ollie until that stupid Thea with a log thing.
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