MCU Captain America vs. CW Arrow

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#1  Edited By Huey_Freeman34

Green Arrow

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Rounds

  1. Cap has his gear he had as captain america
  2. Steve has the gear he used in infinity war

Rules:

  • Random encounter
  • Captain America is told he'll be fighting somebody like Hawkeye, Green Arrow is told he'll be fighting somebody like Deathstroke
  • In character, but motivated to win
  • Standard equipment
  • Winner is by death, KO or incapacitation
  • Marvel Cinematic Universe Captain America, Arrowverse Green Arrow (All canon material)

Location:

Green Arrow Green, Captain America Blue
Green Arrow Green, Captain America Blue

SETUP COURTESY OF LUBUB55. IT'S DELIVERING HIGH-QUALITY FIGHT CONDITIONS THAT'S DISABLING YOUR INTEREST IN OTHER THREADS. YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE DEBATING FOX/DCEU FOR QUITE AWHILE.

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#2  Edited By NinjaWarrior268

Cap crushs Ollie

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Why do you think that?

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Cap Stomps.

Ollie was barely able to fight Deathstroke on mirakuru. Cap is more impressive in terms of stats and skill.

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It might be a little bit more fair if you make Caps gun faulty so he shoots himself, and load it with explosive rounds. But even then he should stomp.

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That's pretty generic.

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Been done before and it's a mismatch Cap can beat everyone in Arrowverse within a minute

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Cap Stomps.

Ollie was barely able to fight Deathstroke on mirakuru. Cap is more impressive in terms of stats and skill.

It might be a little bit more fair if you make Caps gun faulty so he shoots himself, and load it with explosive rounds. But even then he should stomp.

@thanosii said:

Been done before and it's a mismatch Cap can beat everyone in Arrowverse within a minute

QFT

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#10  Edited By NinjaWarrior268

@huey_freeman34: The arrows won't get past his shield. Once he closes the distance, which won't take long since Cap runs as fast as a car, he can throw Ollie thorough the wall

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@thanosii: cap isn't soloing a universe. I have doubts of him beating Slade

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#12  Edited By rogueshadow  Moderator

Been done. Cap.

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#13 JediXMan  Moderator

Cap.

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#14  Edited By Wolverine008

Steve slaughters.

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Cap wins 9/10 dont see how Ollie could take one . but im just being nice

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Steve stomps. This is a closer match than Steve vs. anyone from the Nolan verse though.

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@stormdriven: just wondering, who in the nolanverse showed arrow catching ability, pretty nolanverse was a bit below arrowverse, and arrowverse is below mcu mostly cause of lower budget

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#19  Edited By Stormdriven

@mrnoital: I meant Arrow verse is superior to Nolan. Sorry if my wording was off.

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@stormdriven: Ah, no your wording was fine, i just read it wrong, but hopefully in the next season they get a better budget and can get better feats, i still doubt there'll be anything close to jumping around on that little heligunner thing

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@ninjawarrior268: You mean he can run as fast as a slow 1940's car in traffic... so between 20-30 mph.

The low end is actually close to Olympic runner speed.

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Captain America > Green Arrow

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Steve beat Slade within a minute? What a f*ckin joke

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@mrnoital said:

@stormdriven: just wondering, who in the nolanverse showed arrow catching ability, pretty nolanverse was a bit below arrowverse, and arrowverse is below mcu mostly cause of lower budget

Budget has nothing to do with it. Ollie isn't meant to be Superhuman. Steve is.

@ninjawarrior268: You mean he can run as fast as a slow 1940's car in traffic... so between 20-30 mph.

The low end is actually close to Olympic runner speed.

For a Sprint of 100-200 meters...and those athletes are ready to keel over after. Steve ran Several Blocks at that speed with no signs of tiring. Also, keep in mind that was immediately after his treatment...he wasn't 100%.

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Thank you, Shawn

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@shawnbaby: Budget has everything to do with it, slade is supposed to be very superhuman, but he never saw him do lots of acrobatics cause in the end it would cost a lot,

the scene where he chases 1940's cars isnt that impressive, ollie does the same thing in season 1 with a modern motorcycle, and only lost it when other traffic cut him off

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#28  Edited By reaverlation

@mrnoital: Slade is clearly superhuman and any of the mirakuru soldiers.Acrobats has nothing to do with that

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What Slade actually did in the show is more important than what he's suppose to be. For example, Static was suppose to be as powerful as Magneto but we know he isn't based on feats.

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@reaverlation: so they're superhuman, have superhuman strength, but not in their legs/can't jump, they made sure everyone with mirikuru always had their feet planted on the ground cause it would've been way too expensive to get wire rigging for dozens of guys that should be able to leap 10-20 feet in the air, sure they wouldn't necessarily be able to do a quad backflip, but they should've at least been able to jump high, but it would've cost far too much for a tv budget

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@mrnoital: ...um sure I guess.Triple backflips are needed I guess

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@mrnoital said:

@shawnbaby: Budget has everything to do with it, slade is supposed to be very superhuman, but he never saw him do lots of acrobatics cause in the end it would cost a lot,

the scene where he chases 1940's cars isnt that impressive, ollie does the same thing in season 1 with a modern motorcycle, and only lost it when other traffic cut him off

Oliver has done lots of acrobatics. So have Roy, Black Canary, and others. It doesn't take a huge budget to perform acrobatics. That's all choreography. Slade and the others on mirakuru was shown to be strong, fast and durable. That's all they were meant to be.

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#33 Lunacyde  Moderator

Cap stomps, this conversation should have been over months ago.

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Cap

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@shawnbaby: strong fast and durable with absolutely no ability to jump? slade was very agile as well and i saw no reason his legs shouldn't be super strong with an ability to jump

how can you really be arguing that a tv isn't destined to have less impressive feats than a full scale summer blockbuster on the simple fact that the budget difference is huge?

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Cap without breaking a sweat.

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Cap Stomps.

Ollie was barely able to fight Deathstroke on mirakuru. Cap is more impressive in terms of stats and skill.

Than Deathstroke? Hell no.

I mean Cap still wins handily, just pointing that out.

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#38  Edited By dernman

@mrnoital said:

@shawnbaby: strong fast and durable with absolutely no ability to jump? slade was very agile as well and i saw no reason his legs shouldn't be super strong with an ability to jump

how can you really be arguing that a tv isn't destined to have less impressive feats than a full scale summer blockbuster on the simple fact that the budget difference is huge?

Guys guys. The fights between Cap and GA not between Cap and DS.

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@mrnoital: You're almost reaching by saying Slade needs to jump super high to have Superhuman legs.That's just flawed reasoning. I don't recall Kurse jumping super high and he'd rip Steve and Slade in half

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@mrnoital said:

@shawnbaby: strong fast and durable with absolutely no ability to jump? slade was very agile as well and i saw no reason his legs shouldn't be super strong with an ability to jump

how can you really be arguing that a tv isn't destined to have less impressive feats than a full scale summer blockbuster on the simple fact that the budget difference is huge?

If they wanted to make Slade jump really high...they could have...it is not an expensive special effect and they have used Wire Work in the show in the past.

You can't blame the budget because Arrow isn't as impressive physically as Captain America. Nolan's Batman movies had huge Budgets as well...and yet Oliver is more impressive than Bruce, Slade is more impressive than Bane, And Canary is more impressive than Catwoman.

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@reaverlation: but kurse also get really big, he got just as heavy as strong, slades strength went up, but no evidence of his weight going up

seems like flawed thinking that someone whose strength and speed went way up couldn't jump any higher

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@mrnoital: I'll just let @shawnbaby finish this.

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#43  Edited By Shawnbaby

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Cap Stomps.

Ollie was barely able to fight Deathstroke on mirakuru. Cap is more impressive in terms of stats and skill.

Than Deathstroke? Hell no.

I mean Cap still wins handily, just pointing that out.

Hell Yes. The only thing Slade has on Cap is Durability. All other Stats are firmly in Cap's Court.

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@highaccuser said:

@shawnbaby said:

Cap Stomps.

Ollie was barely able to fight Deathstroke on mirakuru. Cap is more impressive in terms of stats and skill.

Than Deathstroke? Hell no.

I mean Cap still wins handily, just pointing that out.

Hell Yes. The only thing Slade has on Cap is Durability. All other Stats are firmly in Cap's Court.

Except striking power. And skill. And I don't think Cap's ever compensated for being badly outmatched in those areas before.

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@shawnbaby: All Steve has is speed.Everything else is Slade and Slade beats Cap

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#46  Edited By Shawnbaby

@highaccuser said:

@shawnbaby said:

@highaccuser said:

@shawnbaby said:

Cap Stomps.

Ollie was barely able to fight Deathstroke on mirakuru. Cap is more impressive in terms of stats and skill.

Than Deathstroke? Hell no.

I mean Cap still wins handily, just pointing that out.

Hell Yes. The only thing Slade has on Cap is Durability. All other Stats are firmly in Cap's Court.

Except striking power. And skill. And I don't think Cap's ever compensated for being badly outmatched in those areas before.

Steve showed as much or more skill in Winter Soldier than Slade...and his striking power is greater. Steve punches through Submarine Glass.

When has Slade ever had to compensate for being outmatched?

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Lol, this isn't even Ollie vs Steve anymore

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@shawnbaby: its not cheap, and it is very time consuming, tv shows have a much shorter time limit, i actually work in vfx and i know the time given to work on any scene in a tv show is much shorter than the time to work on any movie shot, there is no way they could've had slades army jumping around like the chitauri, you cannot tell me you know more about vfx unless you have worked in the industry longer than i have, its not so simple, and nolan really thought he was being impressive, even if he didnt think through the fact that the worlds greatest martial artist never uses more than one style