MCU Captain America Vs. Batman Family Members (Read OP)

There's the idea that Live Action Vs. Comic Book character matchups are always mismatches in the latter's favor, but I'm out to contest that idea. This is a fight that I think should be something other than a stomp for the comic characters. Set-up is this: Marvel Cinematic Universe version of Cap against the New Earth versions of three Batman Family members, with the fight being outside a closed down coal mine.

Captain America is in his TFA costume but has all feats up to present:

Versus

Robin III

Spoiler

and Huntress (Simone Force Off)

Three Rounds:

Round 1: Everyone's in-character

Round 2: Bat-Family members are bloodlusted

Round 3: Everyone's in-character but Cap doesn't have his shield

Who wins?

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Team.

MCU cap loses at 1

@revan2424: @juiceboks: Reasons?

And please not "Huntress beat Lady Shiva", because 1) That never happened, 2) It would have been PIS if it had.

@ilostthekey@tayssti@buildhare@jashro44: Thoughts?

Team stomps.

@highaccuser: Based on? I actually want some feats. MCU Cap is pretty physically powerful, so just what physical feats have Tim, Steph, and Helena given us that put them at such a high level?

You mean strength? They aren't as strong as him. They don't need to be with skill and tech and Stephanie already beat Man-Bat who's ridiculously stronger than him anyway if you think that's the main decider.

Tim has stomped Damian and fought groups of superhumans and that's above Cap.

Tim can solo. Far smarter, more skilled, and faster. I don't know a lot of Stephanie except that she's not as good as Tim (correct me if I'm wrong) and he'd probably beat her.

1) I don't think Man-Bat is stronger than MCU Cap. Hasn't he lost to Huntress before too? I'd call losing to Steph and Helena to be proof of physical weakness personally, but I'm willing to change my mind with the right evidence.

2. I thought Damian beat Tim when the latter was still Robin? As I remember it they fought in the Batcave and Damian won. Or is that merely a PIS showing?

3. When has Tim fought groups of superhumans above Cap as Robin? I know he did at least once as Red Robin, but that's the extent of my knowledge there. Also, I'd be leery of accepting anything where he's got the full Teen Titans backing him up.

@acrokat: Stephanie as Spoiler is, along with Helena, one of the weakest of the Batman Family. Figured that if MCU Cap had a chance against any of them, it would be those two. Added Tim to give them a fighting chance. Guess I did more than that. *Shrugs*

@shroudofsorrow: Just using Tim is enough really. Steve has a good chance against him it's just that I think Tim would take a majority.

@acrokat: Should have just made it a one on one between them then, but I guess it's not too late to do that later.

Would basically be a case of strength and durability vs. speed, agility, and tech. Sounds fun.

Still not convinced Stephanie and Helena can beat Cap though. I could see them running interference for Tim however, which will only hurt Cap's chances of winning.

@shroudofsorrow:

1) I don't think Man-Bat is stronger than MCU Cap. Hasn't he lost to Huntress before too? I'd call losing to Steph and Helena to be proof of physical weakness personally, but I'm willing to change my mind with the right evidence.

He lifted a radio tower and impaled someone with it. Those losses aren't proof of physical weakness because they didn't overpower him.

2. I thought Damian beat Tim when the latter was still Robin? As I remember it they fought in the Batcave and Damian won. Or is that merely a PIS showing?

They didn't fight. Damian surprised him and knocked him down a pit.

3. When has Tim fought groups of superhumans above Cap as Robin? I know he did at least once as Red Robin, but that's the extent of my knowledge there. Also, I'd be leery of accepting anything where he's got the full Teen Titans backing him up.

I was referring to when he was Red Robin. Feats should still be applicable.

1) Then how did they beat him?

2) Huh. I seem to remember Damian attacked Tim, but I guess my memory of that is just too fuzzy. Has been years since I read that story though.

3. I question that. Wouldn't Tim have grown in skill as he got older, the same way Dick and Jason grew in skill as they got older? I recognize that the latter might be a bad a comparison given Jason's extra training by the League, but Dick Grayson and Stephanie Brown both got better after getting into post-Robin roles. Also, did Tim's gear change at all when he went from Robin to Red Robin?

And I think @acrokat had it right. Should have just made this a Cap Vs. Tim fight. That at least would have been closer.

@shroudofsorrow:

1) Then how did they beat him?

Gear and skill. Not overpowering him but the point is Cap can't win simply by being strong.

Although I don't think Huntress actually beat Man-Bat. Don't remember exactly how that fight went down.

2) Huh. I seem to remember Damian attacked Tim, but I guess my memory of that is just too fuzzy. Has been years since I read that story though.

He did, just by surprise.

3. I question that. Wouldn't Tim have grown in skill as he got older, the same way Dick and Jason grew in skill as they got older? I recognize that the latter might be a bad a comparison given Jason's extra training by the League, but Dick Grayson and Stephanie Brown both got better after getting into post-Robin roles. Also, did Tim's gear change at all when he went from Robin to Red Robin?

He didn't get that much older from the end of when he was Robin to any Pre-New 52 stuff and doesn't have distinctly better showings either to my knowledge.

And I think @acrokat had it right. Should have just made this a Cap Vs. Tim fight. That at least would have been closer.

It would've. I still think Cap would lose and is more a match for Damian, though I tend to favor him these days.

1) Strength isn't everything, true. But, Cap is also a skilled fighter, incredibly durable, and has his shield. Also, Cap is smarter than Man-Bat, meaning he won't necessarily fight the way Man-Bat does, in an "all brawn and no brains" type fashion.

Ah. Sucker-punch type attack. Figures.

Cap could maybe at least win a minority. It would be a case of strength and endurance Vs. speed, agility, and tech. So, Tim might win more often than not, but Cap could still conceivably win if he lands a solid hit or two.