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#1 Posted by HulkBusterx9 (1876 posts) - - Show Bio

H2H

Who wins?

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#2 Edited by Usha (3701 posts) - - Show Bio

AND NO ENDGAME SPOILERS YOU LITTLE NERDS!

I'd go with MCU Cap. As a regular Asgardian citizen myself, I am not that strong. Especially after that Thanos son of a ...... wiped out half of my people.

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#3 Posted by deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d (3679 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America should win.

I highly doubt Proxima Midnight is inferior to one despite being one of Thanos’ best men, attacking the Asgardian ship with him and her siblings, and Steve was dealing with her well enough to say they’re at least in the same league.

This regular Asgardian hype is just stupid and insane. The Super soldiers should be able to take on even the Warriors Three for a short while tbh (except maybe Hogun)

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#4 Posted by GraniteVision (3354 posts) - - Show Bio

@thehunter: Cap is weaker than Proxima,and Proxima has no feats above asgardians.

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#5 Posted by GraniteVision (3354 posts) - - Show Bio

@thehunter: and one of them was durable enough that withstood Hela's kick that sent him through thick stone wall.Cap would have died or injured after that

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#6 Posted by XLR87T3 (10201 posts) - - Show Bio

@usha: What's your opinion on Heimdall?

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#7 Posted by EmmaFrostXmen (3188 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap

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#8 Posted by Namebk (935 posts) - - Show Bio

Asgardian.

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#9 Posted by ad-arts (2046 posts) - - Show Bio

Asgardians are still superior.

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#10 Edited by deactivated-5cc88dc0cd01c (422 posts) - - Show Bio

Asgardians are overrated - Steve beats it till it drops

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#11 Edited by Usha (3701 posts) - - Show Bio

@xlr87t3 said:

@usha: What's your opinion on Heimdall?

He's a courageous man, brave, noble and had the most hypnotic eyes. He helped our people against the attack from Hela, she said she was the daughter of Odin, fallacy I'll tell ya.

Last I saw of him was in our, well rumoured to be stolen, ship when Thanos and his, "children" came down to attack us. He, Thor and even his mischievous bad boy turned good brother Loki stood up and fought against them. The new people, Valkyrie, Korg & Meek helped a lot of our people to sneakily escape away.

I'm not sure what happened to Odin's sons or Heimdall for that matter. I hope they're okay.

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#12 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (17279 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve

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#13 Posted by Amcu (17080 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve has better feats and honestly might be better in universe. He takes it.

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#15 Posted by MarvelandDCfan24 (7700 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve

AoS isn't canon to the MCU

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#16 Posted by ANTHP2000 (28821 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap could beat a fodder Asgardian.

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#17 Posted by camilopezo (2083 posts) - - Show Bio

AoS Asgardian (Elliot Randolph and Lorelei) > Captain America >> Canon Asgardian

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#18 Posted by TheOneAboveLife (1203 posts) - - Show Bio

@ad-arts said:

Asgardians are still superior.

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#19 Edited by AtmExle (591 posts) - - Show Bio

Endgame spoilers

Present Cap stalemated A1 Cap, the same cap that got absolutely bodied by a non-serious Loki. Asgardians are definitely superior in terms of strength by far using this logic, but Cap's fighting ability, far surpassing Thor's, might give one a run for its money.

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#20 Posted by camilopezo (2083 posts) - - Show Bio

@atmexle said:

Endgame spoilersPresent Cap stalemated A1 Cap, the same cap that got absolutely bodied by a non-serious Loki. Asgardians are definitely superior in terms of strength by far using this logic, but Cap's fighting ability, far surpassing Thor's, might give one a run for its money.

But Loki is special, the other Asgardians are barely stronger than a peak human.

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#21 Posted by Floopay (11272 posts) - - Show Bio

@camilopezo: that's not necessarily true. The best example we have of an average Asgardian is the berserker. Who was able to effortless turn aside a knife thrust from a peak human, and catch/bend the blade with no effort. Which gives him piercing/slashing durability above Cap. He could also snap steel handcuffs like they were nothing and without effort. IIRC, he also pulled a steel-bar door off its mount without effort in a later season.

He also recovered from a fatal wound in a few minutes (not conscious; but went from critical to stable) due to a canon healing factor. It should be noted, that he is middle aged, older, and far more out of training than any "average" Asgardian. He also was a mason, and only became a soldier with the Berserker Staff. Which, in canon, does not grant the user any lasting effects other than a broken psyche.

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#22 Posted by deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d (3679 posts) - - Show Bio

@thehunter: and one of them was durable enough that withstood Hela's kick that sent him through thick stone wall.Cap would have died or injured after that

First of all, if he survived a kick like that, he simply is not average, given most of them died from a single attack.
Second of all, it's not like Hela was properly giving each of them proper attention.
Thirdly, Captain America has survived attack after attack from Bucky's metal arm that could also smash through concrete and even go through metal, a punch from Quicksilver who could smash through numerous Ultron bots in one go, a blast from Ultron, Iron Man's repulsor straight to the chest and iirc one of Wanda's TK blasts as well.

This is all not even including other things that occurred in Endgame that proved all your statements incorrect.

@thehunter: Cap is weaker than Proxima,and Proxima has no feats above asgardians.

I mean, you could say he's weaker, but he'd be comparable at least.

Proxima is one of Thanos' top dogs, you surely don't think she's not even capable of taking one average Asgardian, do you?

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#24 Posted by Emanresu_20 (3113 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone who watched Agents I’d Shield k owe that this is t a fight at all.

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#25 Posted by MajinBlackheart (9638 posts) - - Show Bio

Hogun is from Vanaheim, not Asgard

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#26 Posted by Zaggran (117 posts) - - Show Bio

The "average guy" Asgardian in AoS (which is absolutely canon) was no Thor, but he was still far, FAR above peak human. And they went out of their way to stress he was just some random guy there. Dude worked in a quarry. If peak human is a 1 and Thor is a 100, I'd say the guy was about a 40.

Steve is magnitudes more skilled, sure, but the sheer power and durability is just too much to overcome.

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#27 Posted by Rebake (4564 posts) - - Show Bio

@thehunter: and one of them was durable enough that withstood Hela's kick that sent him through thick stone wall.Cap would have died or injured after that

Hogun was injuried...and Cap went through what looks like a stone slab in EG after his shield got overloaded by Thanos.

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#28 Posted by GraniteVision (3354 posts) - - Show Bio

@rebake said:
@granitevision said:

@thehunter: and one of them was durable enough that withstood Hela's kick that sent him through thick stone wall.Cap would have died or injured after that

Hogun was injuried...and Cap went through what looks like a stone slab in EG after his shield got overloaded by Thanos.

That was a piece of concrete wall,which was much thiner than that wall in Ragnarok

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#29 Posted by Rebake (4564 posts) - - Show Bio

@atmexle said:

Endgame spoilersPresent Cap stalemated A1 Cap, the same cap that got absolutely bodied by a non-serious Loki. Asgardians are definitely superior in terms of strength by far using this logic, but Cap's fighting ability, far surpassing Thor's, might give one a run for its money.

It's an obvious retcon to have Avengers Cap skilled enough to give a good fight. But at the same time, present Cap already said he didn't want to hurt him and most certainly was holding back while Past Cap was giving it his all bc he though he was Loki. Notice Past Cap goes for the shield stab while Present Cap just blocks. Then Present Cap got distracted by the scepter while Past Cap only had one objective, which was to take down "Loki". It should be noted that even Avengers Cap hurt Loki with a kick, so while not on Loki's level, he certainly could hit hard enough when not holding back to make him feel the hit. An average Asgardian does not seem to be on Thor or Loki's level, and magic may be the reason. We know magic can depower even Thor, so it may work in reverse to amp them too. If a single Asgardian was many times better than Cap and have special Asgardian swords, then Thanos and the Black Order fight would have at least lost Corvus Glaive and Proxima Midnight. But they suffered no casualties. They have higher durability than Cap, but if they actually fought, I'd expect it to be close just by how they're written (which determines canon).

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#30 Posted by ANTHP2000 (28821 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap should still beat a nameless Asgardian. Elite Asgardians like Loki or Sif or Valkyrie would beat Cap, but they have no business here. It's like saying that because someone lost to Black Widow, he's gonna lose to any random human fighter.

Regarding the Cap vs Cap fight in Endgame, I can't take that seriously. It's either a huge low showing for 2023's Steve put in there for a cool fight scene or something that could be justified by present Cap not being in shape anymore + holding back. His post-SHIELD training skill should be on a different level than 2012's Cap's. His physicals, not so much, but skill/grappling/striking should be on a whole other level.

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#31 Posted by WolverineBatmanFTW (1626 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap was able to keep up with Loki.

Loki should be above the average Asgardian since he was able to keep up with Thor for a while.

Cap wins

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#32 Posted by Rebake (4564 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: It partly had to do with past Cap not holding back at all. He thought present Cap was Loki. Present Cap winning until they both fell. Then he got distracted by the scepter, and you see him try to reach for it even when in a hold. No distractions, and present Cap wins (though he won anyways using the scepter).

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#33 Posted by Lan_Fan (16248 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve stomps.

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#34 Posted by ANTHP2000 (28821 posts) - - Show Bio

@rebake said:

@anthp2000: It partly had to do with past Cap not holding back at all. He thought present Cap was Loki. Present Cap winning until they both fell. Then he got distracted by the scepter, and you see him try to reach for it even when in a hold. No distractions, and present Cap wins (though he won anyways using the scepter).

Yes, past Cap's mindset also adds to that reasoning.

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#35 Posted by RBT (29341 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap most likely.

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#36 Edited by AtmExle (591 posts) - - Show Bio

@rebake: No problem with what you're saying, but we don't know how the fight went down in the Asgardian refugee ship. It seems to be the case that Sanctuary 1 was firing upon the ship for an extended period of time. This could have taken out many lives on the ship, mainly the refugees who don't have the durability of the high tiers like Thor. We don't know how the Black Order and Thanos fought with the Asgardians. For all we know, Thanos could have been blasting them with a considerably powerful beam of the power stone to wipe out swaths of them.

While Proxima and Corvus may not be able to overpower an adult male Asgardian, they certainly have the skill and gear to take out multiple non-combatant Asgardians, in a similar way to how Okoye was able to out-skill Corvus and defeat him, even though it was shown that Corvus was above Cap in terms of strength.

I'm mainly leaning on Cap due to the skill gap, the same skill gap that allowed him to fight many enemies much more powerful than he is without getting stomped in seconds like Spidey, Loki, Ultron, Iron man, and Thanos with Thor's hammer. But I can see an argument being made for the Asgardian.

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#37 Posted by AlphaQ (6486 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly, the Asgardian should win. But Captain America isn't one to lose when he should.