MCU: Bushmaster vs Winter Soldier

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  • Bucky has his Soviet metal arm
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I haven't seen enough of Bushmaster to decide yet.

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Winter Soldier by a lot. Bushmaster is agile and durable. So is Bucky. And Bucky has more striking power. Bushmaster's speed level is only slightly faster than Cage. Bucky is way faster in combat. He wins.

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@subline said:

Winter Soldier by a lot. Bushmaster is agile and durable. So is Bucky. And Bucky has more striking power. Bushmaster's speed level is only slightly faster than Cage. Bucky is way faster in combat. He wins.

I haven't begun the series yet but didn't Bushmaster casually bullet time?

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#7  Edited By imagein

@amcu: he did, so I’m not understanding where he’s getting barely faster than Luke from. And you have to be fast AF in combat to pull off the Capoeira flourishes McIver did and catch your opponents off guard.

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@amcu said:
@subline said:

Winter Soldier by a lot. Bushmaster is agile and durable. So is Bucky. And Bucky has more striking power. Bushmaster's speed level is only slightly faster than Cage. Bucky is way faster in combat. He wins.

I haven't begun the series yet but didn't Bushmaster casually bullet time?

Yes right, I mean in combat he looks slow. Here's the bullet timing:

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Im currently at episode 6. But I think this would be an interesting fight

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Wow. We heard the bullet fire before he even moved, finally another bullet timer in da MCU.

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Unless this scene was cut, Bushmaster is a bullet-timer. No debate.

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@rogueshadow: That scene is in. Luke defeats him after that.

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He also dodged bullets when Nigel’s goons fired at him

Not sure how Bucky is dealing with his blows, Bush hit him hard enough to make him have a concussion/KO him. Luke >>> Bucky in durability

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Just watched episode 4. Bushmaster stomps.

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#17  Edited By Worldofthunder

What kind of name is Bushmaster lol

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#18  Edited By TorikoWONTDie

Bush master hit Luke harder than Danny did with the Ironfist. Think about that. Diamondback couldn't get close to joint Luke either.

Diamondback hit Luke in the head dozens of times and couldn't lay him out like Bushmaster did...

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#19  Edited By AngelJax

What kind of name is Bushmaster lol

Let's just say he gets a lot of coffee...

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@georgewbush: How is Luke more durable than Bucky? Bucky tanked repulsor blast and iron man's punches. So Bucky>Luke, in durability, not by much though.

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@carlosss14: he tanked an RPG, a building collapsing on him, being submerged in acid, a dump truck hitting him, an SUV, Iron Fist’s chi punches (that can destroy a skyscraper floor) , blows that can rend Kevlar/punch through Vans.

Bucky couldn’t withstand being hit by a dump truck going at full speed

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@carlosss14: The CW suits repulsors and physicals were crap. That’s hardly impressive for Bucky.

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is season 2 already up?

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#24  Edited By carlosss14

@greysentinel365: @georgewbush said:

@carlosss14: he tanked an RPG, a building collapsing on him, being submerged in acid, a dump truck hitting him, an SUV,Iron Fist’s chi punches (that can destroy a skyscraper floor) , blows that can rend Kevlar/punch through Vans.

Bucky couldn’t withstand being hit by a dump truck going at full speed

1. So you're saying that chi punches are more powerful than repulsor blast?

2. And why couldn't buck stop an SUV? Steve kicked him into a car and it gets dented. If you were to put bucky in the same alleyway in front of that Suv, he would probably stop it. would he be hurt? Yes, he would, but he would still stop it though.

3. He survived being stuck in ice for 50 years, so why couldn't he survive an acid bath?

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Based on what i've read Bushmaster should win handily

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@carlosss14: Bucky would not tank being run over by a semi truck, like Luke did in defenders.

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Probably bushmaster, I also think he’s the best thing about Luke cage season 2.

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@torikowontdie: And why not? Bucky is superior to Cage in every category.

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How is Bucky superior to Luke? Judas bullet would rip Bucky apart, Luke tanked them in season 2. Buck cant stop a speeding SUV at 40mph, c'mon now.

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#30  Edited By X_insignia1

Lol,how would bucky survive an acid bath?

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#31  Edited By Greysentinel365

FEATS DUMP!

There are more. But I can't grab them from Netflix

Faster than Luke Cage
Faster than Luke Cage
Dances around Cage with ease
Dances around Cage with ease
Takes repeated hits from Cage and keeps coming
Takes repeated hits from Cage and keeps coming
Kick sends Cage flying through railings and off the bridge
Kick sends Cage flying through railings and off the bridge

Takes on Misty Knight (who actually gets good fodder wrecking feats and her arm has a degree of enhanced strength) and Cage at the same time

Sends Cage flying for a K.O again
Sends Cage flying for a K.O again
Backhands Shades through several wood panels
Backhands Shades through several wood panels
Sends Misty Knight flying with a kick
Sends Misty Knight flying with a kick
Rocks Cage with a punch
Rocks Cage with a punch
Tanks a metal pole to the face from Cage and proceeds to put him down
Tanks a metal pole to the face from Cage and proceeds to put him down

There's more but you get the point. Bushmaster is as strong as Cage on top of being very skilled and while not completely bulletproof is still durable as hell.

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#32  Edited By Jack_Hart

I just like to point out that prior to any of their encounters, Bushmaster setup an encounter between Luke and his gang and had him run a gauntlet of his mooks so he can secretly tape it and study Luke's moves and his limits. Also, in the final fight in Harlem's Paradise Bushmaster (the one with the blatant bullet-timing feat) he was hopped up in some enhanced version of the herbal supplement he uses to obtain his abilities.

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#33  Edited By carlosss14

@x_insignia1: Bucky survived in ice for many years so an acid bath is nothing. And why can't he stop a speeding SUV? He's just as strong as cage, just not as durable

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Based on what’s been posted and his bullet timing feat I don’t see why Bushmaster does not stomp

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#35  Edited By Jack_Hart

Skill feat for Luke: when people shoot at him, he can twitch/flex/shift his posture in certain ways while the bullets hit him and they'll ricochet back to the shooters.

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Skill feat for Luke: when people shoot at him, he can twitch/flex/shift his posture in certain ways while the bullets hit him and they'll ricochet back to the shooters.

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Bushmaster got hit several times in the Bridge fight, and was even slammed. Bucky's combat speed is better than Luke's and so he can also hit Bushmaster. Yes, he dodged bullets, but he still got hit by Luke. And also Bucky dodged a rocket from close range.

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He also caught Cap's shield without looking, and even let the shield get close to him before trying to catch it.

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He also has better combat speed:

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Considering Luke got an explicit buff this season it's more likely that Luke is just that fast rather than Bushmaster being slow

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Luke is slow as hell. Bucky would stomp Luke, with less difficulty than Bushmaster.

Bushmaster might have superior reflexes because he bullet-timed, but Bucky is just plain better in everything else.

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Bushmaster in a good fight.

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Bushmaster stomps. It also depends, though, because his power levels varied. In Harlems Paradise he easily KO'd Luke, casually dodged a bullet then took on Luke, Misty and Hernan while still mostly focused on killing Mariah. This version of Bushmaster would rip Bucky in half. Average Bushmaster would still win handily, might not be a full stomp though.

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Noone stomps. Geez the hype train.

Its a good fight bushmaster is fast and unpredictable but bucky is no slouch in skill. And with his arm will put the hurt. I mean bushmaster was flinching from hits off of mistys mechanical arm

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Bucky.

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Bushmaster wins this. Bucky may be able to dodge his attacks for a bit, but he is definitely going to be feeling any hit that lands. In the end Bushmaster is just more durable and stronger than Bucky and speed is debatable, but even if Bushmaster is slower(I don't believe he is) it isn't by enough to make any difference.

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Unless this scene was cut, Bushmaster is a bullet-timer. No debate.

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And a casual one at that. I know you've seen it at this point but that was amped Bushmaster (at least compared to earlier). Bucky would beat regular Bushmaster but certainly lose to him as he was in that fight.

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@buildhare: Was he technically amped? one point the characters kept making was that the nightshade does not "heal" it "reveals" and that bush master was "always special". where exactly is bushmaster's base level strength wise?

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#47  Edited By Worldofthunder

Bucky gets stomped by Bushmaster whether Johnny's amped or not. Season 1 already made it clear, but season 2 certified that MCU super soldiers don't compare to Luke Cage barring Panther and Killmonger solely because of their suits. Hurting Luke with your punches, making him bleed and giving him a concussion proves you'd pretty much one-shot Bucky or Cap, if not make short work of them. Iron Fist's IF didn't do nearly as much damage to Luke as Bushmaster's punches did.

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@buildhare: Was he technically amped? one point the characters kept making was that the nightshade does not "heal" it "reveals" and that bush master was "always special". where exactly is bushmaster's base level strength wise?

Tilda explained that the shot of Nightshade makes him twice as strong when she presented the syringe to him.

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#49  Edited By DSTREET45

Bucky. Bushmaster makes this a fight a fight to remember though.

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