MCU Black Widow vs Rocky Balboa (Boxing)

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Poll MCU Black Widow vs Rocky Balboa (Boxing) (69 votes)

Rocky wins for Adrian and Murica! 57%
Widow wins the cold war for Russia! 43%

The Rocky Balboa (Rocky IV)

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MCU Natasha has revealed herself as a spy for the Russians and defected back. The Rocky is sent by the US government to have a boxing match. Winner of the match wins the second Cold War.

Rules

  • 15 rounds of boxing in standard boxing ring
  • Win by KO or decision
  • The Rocky is Rocky IV self and has been training in Russia Rocky IV style
  • No low blows

Can The Rocky win the cold war all over again?

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#1  Edited By EmmaFrostXmen

Ayyyeee I love seeing Rocky on the site. So nostalgic

Black Widow knows boxing, but she doesn’t seem to focus on it too much so I’ll say Rocky wins low-mid difficulty considering his strength advantage.

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#2  Edited By SheevSmacker

Rocky smash

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Both beat Batroc

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Black Widow should win.

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#5  Edited By The_Hajduk

Black Widow should win.

Rocky definitely wins a boxing match.

Strong enough to lift a carriage with all his friends inside.

Hits hard enough to break cow ribs, no gloves.

Learned Apollo Creed's fighting style and speed.

Defeated Apollo Creed, Ivan Drago, curbstomped Clubber Lang, almost beat the current champ when he was 60 years old, etc. Rocky is a great boxer.

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i dont remember widow having any punch feats. she relies mostly in kicks

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#7  Edited By nassergrant19

@mexcomics2078: She doesn’t really kick too much either. She’s more of a grappler.

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@nassergrant19: oh yea that too. my point is widow is not used to punch

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Rocky, he was taking dozens of hits from Ivan Drago who's punches were recorded at over 2000 psi.

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@subline said:

Rocky, he was taking dozens of hits from Ivan Drago who's punches were recorded at over 2000 psi.

They fought for 15 rounds most of which Drago was the aggressor, so Rocky very likely took over 1,000 punches during that match before he won.

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There'll be two sounds, rocky hitting nat, and nat hitting the floor. Rocky won't need 3 rounds, let alone 15.

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There'll be two sounds, rocky hitting nat, and nat hitting the floor. Rocky won't need 3 rounds, let alone 15.

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Rocky.

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#19  Edited By nassergrant19

@the_magister said:

Both beat Batroc

Maybe Rocky would, but definitely not Nat if it’s pure H2H. Also what does Batroc have to do with anything? lol

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@the_magister said:

Both beat Batroc

Maybe Rocky would, but definitely not Nat. Also what does Batroc have to do with anything? lol

He is hating on The Batroc, who is a a beast.

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@subline: Is 2000psi really impressive for fictional characters? IIRC, even IRL boxer can punch over 1000.

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@frozen said:
@nassergrant19 said:
@the_magister said:

Both beat Batroc

Maybe Rocky would, but definitely not Nat. Also what does Batroc have to do with anything? lol

He is hating on The Batroc, who is a a beast.

I know it’s like Widow fans have a grudge against Batroc for being so skilled in H2H. The guy is a beast, H2H is his bread and butter. That’s why he never needs gear like Nat. Why is that so bad?

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@rbt said:

@subline: Is 2000psi really impressive for fictional characters? IIRC, even IRL boxer can punch over 1000.

This explanation says its 5x above elite real life fighters.

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@frozen said:
@nassergrant19 said:
@the_magister said:

Both beat Batroc

Maybe Rocky would, but definitely not Nat. Also what does Batroc have to do with anything? lol

He is hating on The Batroc, who is a a beast.

I know it’s like Widow fans have a grudge against Batroc for being so skilled in H2H. The guy is a beast, H2H is his bread and butter. That’s why he never needs gear like Nat. Why is that so bad?

The Batroc is a beast for sure. He pressed Cap. I might do a blog on why he was skilled in the Cap fight to clear things up once and for all.

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@frozen said:
@nassergrant19 said:
@the_magister said:

Both beat Batroc

Maybe Rocky would, but definitely not Nat. Also what does Batroc have to do with anything? lol

He is hating on The Batroc, who is a a beast.

I know it’s like Widow fans have a grudge against Batroc for being so skilled in H2H. The guy is a beast, H2H is his bread and butter. That’s why he never needs gear like Nat. Why is that so bad?

I don't have a grudge against Batroc lol. I just dislike how you guys keep making these threads with a winner in mind. We had previous discussions about MCU Nat being inferior to comic Nat and the MCU Nat lacks impressive feats.

Nat is supposed to be a beast but she died too quickly and she didn't get any solo stories before her death.

Nat doesn't rely on gear, she keeps gear on her at all times but she's still a beast in h2h combat, I think Nat's favorite part of her job is h2h combat fighting.

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Rocky honestly might oneshot.

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@kymilia: Didn't you say MCU Bucky was only "peak human" on another thread?

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@frozen said:

@kymilia: Didn't you say MCU Bucky was only "peak human" on another thread?

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Yes I did say that and I was wrong.

I think Nat also had a scene like this.

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Rocky knocks her out.

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#30  Edited By nassergrant19

@kymilia said:
@nassergrant19 said:
@frozen said:
@nassergrant19 said:
@the_magister said:

Both beat Batroc

Maybe Rocky would, but definitely not Nat. Also what does Batroc have to do with anything? lol

He is hating on The Batroc, who is a a beast.

I know it’s like Widow fans have a grudge against Batroc for being so skilled in H2H. The guy is a beast, H2H is his bread and butter. That’s why he never needs gear like Nat. Why is that so bad?

I don't have a grudge against Batroc lol. I just dislike how you guys keep making these threads with a winner in mind. We had previous discussions about MCU Nat being inferior to comic Nat and the MCU Nat lacks impressive feats.

Nat is supposed to be a beast but she died too quickly and she didn't get any solo stories before her death.

Nat doesn't rely on gear, she keeps gear on her at all times but she's still a beast in h2h combat, I think Nat's favorite part of her job is h2h combat fighting.

The reason why comic Nat, animated Nat, or anime Nat isn’t used is because street level superhero fights outside of live action aren’t very popular here.

Like anime and comic Nat are honestly a lot more skilled but she‘s just not as popular as MCU Nat.

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@kymilia said:
@nassergrant19 said:
@frozen said:
@nassergrant19 said:
@the_magister said:

Both beat Batroc

Maybe Rocky would, but definitely not Nat. Also what does Batroc have to do with anything? lol

He is hating on The Batroc, who is a a beast.

I know it’s like Widow fans have a grudge against Batroc for being so skilled in H2H. The guy is a beast, H2H is his bread and butter. That’s why he never needs gear like Nat. Why is that so bad?

I don't have a grudge against Batroc lol. I just dislike how you guys keep making these threads with a winner in mind. We had previous discussions about MCU Nat being inferior to comic Nat and the MCU Nat lacks impressive feats.

Nat is supposed to be a beast but she died too quickly and she didn't get any solo stories before her death.

Nat doesn't rely on gear, she keeps gear on her at all times but she's still a beast in h2h combat, I think Nat's favorite part of her job is h2h combat fighting.

The reason why comic Nat, animated Nat, or anime Nat isn’t used is because street level superhero fights outside of live action aren’t very popular here.

Like anime and comic Nat are honestly a lot more skilled but she‘s just not as popular as MCU Nat.

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@frozen: No, I mean there are IRL boxers who have cracked 1000psi number.

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@rbt said:

@frozen: No, I mean there are IRL boxers who have cracked 1000psi number.

No offence but that sounds like sumthin you made up.

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@emperorzod said:

There'll be two sounds, rocky hitting nat, and nat hitting the floor. Rocky won't need 3 rounds, let alone 15.

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Still won't give her the win.

The squared circle is rocky's home turf. Rocky has an indomitable will, very high pain tolerance and incredible stamina. She won't hurt him at his own game. She goes down in a couple of rounds.

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#35  Edited By SheevSmacker

@rbt said:

@subline: Is 2000psi really impressive for fictional characters? IIRC, even IRL boxer can punch over 1000.

No. The absolute best of real life boxers punch over 1000 lbs of force, not pounds per square inch. 2000 psi is monstrous and absolutely superhuman, should equate to multiple tons of force in punching.

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OT: Rocky smash

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Rocky and Rambo are basically like GOD mode in a video game. They are programmed to win no matter the odds.

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Widow. And it isnt even close.

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Widow. And it isnt even close.

Why is it not close? The majority think Rocky wins here.

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Widow is too fast for Rocky to hit, if anything she wins based on amount of hits she gets in but completely dodges his strikes.

Only thing Rocky has is his Strength and Durability.

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@infinitemass: Rocky can hit fast fighters. See his fights against Apollo Creed.

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@frozen: And Speed feats for Apollo?

Apollo is fast in the sense that Muhammed Ali was fast, yeah they are fast but at Athlete human speeds and nothing more.

This is person who consistently fights superhuman fighters in both strength and speed, and takes on multiple people at the same time.

Apollo being his fastest opponent doesn't help much in this scenario, if this wasn't a boxing match but a fight with nothing but Boxing, he could outlast her stamina wise and then beat her down, but he isn't doing that in regulated boxing.

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@infinitemass: Is there any evidence she can dodge all his hits for 15 rounds? Widow relies on mixing her agility with her speed to evade her opponents hits. Her agility is nullified here, so she would have to rely on more basic maneverurs to evade hits. She also uses gear to take on opponents and many of her opponents attack at her one at a time, opposed to multiple at a time.

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@frozen:

Is there any evidence she can dodge all his hits for 15 rounds?

Yeah, she's significantly faster. Being able to dodge multiple opponents at a time is already significantly above the speed of taking on a single opponent.

In all of her scenes she is required to perform extreme sets of effort well above what most people can do, her stamina won't be an issue in a 15 round match.

Widow relies on mixing her agility with her speed to evade her opponents hits

Yeah, that's what she will do here as well, she is far more agile and has a lot more speed. Not to mention she is a much smaller target for Rocky who is used to bigger heavy weight fighters.

Her agility is nullified here

Why would that be nulified here? Boxing uses a lot of agility, I would imagine she would fight a lot like Vasiliy Hi-Tek Lomachenko who uses his agility and speed to dance around opponents.

so she would have to rely on more basic maneverurs to evade hits

Which is the basis or her agility

She also uses gear to take on opponents

Like I said, she isn't going to beat him down, but she will land a lot of punches on him and win via decision

and many of her opponents attack at her one at a time, opposed to multiple at a time.

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In the same vain as how someone who is fighting multiple people shouldn't let them gang up on them sure.

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@frozen: Shes superior in everysingle way, except for size. Stronger, faster, hits harder, more skilled and far more agile. You name it, she hold a significantly advantage over him.

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@frozen: Shes superior in everysingle way, except for size. Stronger, faster, hits harder, more skilled and far more agile. You name it, she hold a significantly advantage over him.

Eh. Her skill is inferior here given that it's a boxing match, which Rocky is elite at. He is also most definitely more durable and hits harder given that he could tank hits from Ivan Drago for 12 rounds. Ivan is a confirmed superhuman who hits harder than IRL bears/gorillas. Rocky ate his punches for 12 rounds and pushed him back.

Agility is not relevant in boxing. She can't do any flips here.

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Widow has better reflexes either way, even tho she can't do backflips or other fancy moves, I don't think he can tag her.

Someone's reflexes who fights on the battlefield against Superhuman level Aliens - Killer Robots - four-legged beasts > A boxer's reflexes