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#1 Edited by FromBeyond (1041 posts) - - Show Bio

Stats Equalised to Black Widow's level. H2H only.Both wearing a simple tracksuit, no armor/gear for either.Fight takes place in a dojo, no environmental advantages.Morals on, win by KO/Incapacitation

Round 2: Both are given wooden batons

Round 3: Stats still equalised, but both have standard gear

Who wins?

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#2 Posted by KyleBroflovski (782 posts) - - Show Bio

So this is basically just who's more skilled.

Going with Diana due to age and experience. Though I can see a case being made for Natasha.

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#3 Posted by Lan_Fan (12666 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Widow has better showing in skill.

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#4 Posted by xMangog__Beastx (4291 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Widow?

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#5 Posted by JSDoctor (1405 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow by feats, Diana by logic and in-universe standing.

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#6 Edited by deactivated-5c30485311cf6 (1211 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow stomps in h2h. Melee (BW w/ batons vs Diana w/ sword & shield) would be more interesting.

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#7 Posted by DammeFavour (8203 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow only ever uses that scissors thing. No real skill besides that

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#8 Posted by Gazool (1227 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow Stomps.

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#9 Edited by Amcu (15885 posts) - - Show Bio

Natasha curbstomps. Not debatable at all by feats. Diana doesn't even have any H2H skill feats.

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#10 Posted by deactivated-5c30485311cf6 (1211 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow only ever uses that scissors thing. No real skill besides that

Thought you had enough internet for today.

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#11 Posted by jashugan (6070 posts) - - Show Bio

Blacc widow barely has "skill feats". She relies on fighting dumb movie fodder that have no clue how to fight or shoot to the point that a non- superhuman woman can beat them up.

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#12 Edited by deactivated-5c30485311cf6 (1211 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan said:

Blacc widow barely has "skill feats". She relies on fighting dumb movie fodder that have no clue how to fight or shoot to the point that a non- superhuman woman can beat them up.

BW is a "non-superhuman" woman. Lmao.

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#13 Posted by Tenguswordsman (1775 posts) - - Show Bio

Natasha easily.

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#14 Posted by jashugan (6070 posts) - - Show Bio

@bleidd: what's the point of your post?

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#15 Posted by FromBeyond (1041 posts) - - Show Bio

Alright then, as a second round, both are given wooden batons. Who wins now?

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#16 Edited by DammeFavour (8203 posts) - - Show Bio

@bleidd: oh I was referring to you. Guy who thinks iron man is gonna kick Diana's a$$

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#17 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (3631 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan: no skill feats, huh? Trolololol. I wonder who Diana has outskilled who she didn’t hold a massive stat advantage over and without gear.

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#18 Posted by Lord_Titan_ (2422 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow lol

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#19 Edited by jashugan (6070 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr_shazam0920:

no skill feats, huh?

Of course.

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If you think a fight scene like this is remotely skillful, you are out of your mind. Imagine being in a real fight against a woman and she flips around trying to kick you or you let her slide on the floor in between your legs and hit you on your balls, then you are not a man nor a decent fighter at all.

Imagine four guys taking on one woman and they each take turns hitting her instead of dogpilling/jumping her like real people do. These guys superior to her physically still fail to hit her and get easily taken down by her because it's standard movie fighting scenes where things are made to look acrobatic and flashy and not make sense.

Blacc Widow has no skill, she's a thot.

I wonder who Diana has outskilled who she didn’t hold a massive stat advantage over and without gear.

Stupid questions and strawman. It would be like asking real soldiers and warriors who they've beat without using a gun or any weapon that they we're trained to use to fight. You don't use your brain at all.

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#20 Posted by ThunderPrince (6868 posts) - - Show Bio

@amcu said:

Natasha curbstomps. Not debatable at all by feats. Diana doesn't even have any H2H skill feats.

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#21 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (3631 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan: nice troll bro. You ain’t getting me. By the way, are you a Crip?

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#22 Posted by war of light_2814 (2630 posts) - - Show Bio

Diana barely has any h2h skills feats.

Nat stomps.

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#23 Posted by jashugan (6070 posts) - - Show Bio
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#24 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (3631 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan: you didn’t think I would notice ?

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#25 Posted by jashugan (6070 posts) - - Show Bio
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#27 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11049 posts) - - Show Bio

Natasha murderstomps H2H or with weapons. Lol @ Widow having no skill.

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#28 Posted by TheKinfing (11657 posts) - - Show Bio

On Paper Diana would never be written to get stomped by Widow.

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#29 Posted by RBT (26698 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll side with Nat unless we take statements about Diana's skill at its face value, in which case, Diana in a good fight.

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#30 Posted by deactivated-5bdcbb8da1d15 (5093 posts) - - Show Bio

@amcu said:

Natasha curbstomps. Not debatable at all by feats. Diana doesn't even have any H2H skill feats.

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#31 Posted by The_Magister_2 (87 posts) - - Show Bio

Natasha murderstomps H2H or with weapons. Lol @ Widow having no skill.

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#32 Posted by FromBeyond (1041 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump for round 3

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#33 Posted by deactivated-5c30485311cf6 (1211 posts) - - Show Bio

Natasha is an expert baton user. She takes R2 with ease.

As for R3, giving Nat her standard gear, which includes electric weapons (batons, widow's bites) and a handgun, is unfair for Diana.

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#34 Posted by EmmaFrostXmen (931 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan: QHHAHAHAHHAHAHH VERY FUNNY. Yea no ur wrong and u a thot

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#35 Posted by jashugan (6070 posts) - - Show Bio
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#36 Edited by EmmaFrostXmen (931 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan: Oh yea mmmmmmmmmmm. Why am I mad he was just proved wrong. He literally just said the directors statement was beneath him lol.

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#37 Edited by Batman242 (11259 posts) - - Show Bio

I still don't see what we consider skill, because quite frankly, I don't see any of the fodder that Nat beat beating Diana even without her stats.

The whole skill argument is hard to gauge.

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#38 Posted by deactivated-5b7e80292ee2d (43 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll ask again, when has Diana ever had to use skill in a fight? From what I remember, she has always just used her physical gifts to win/compete in fights.

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#39 Posted by _KingofLatveria (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

Nat stomps with feats

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#40 Posted by phoenixdiamond616 (1616 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll ask again, when has Diana ever had to use skill in a fight? From what I remember, she has always just used her physical gifts to win/compete in fights.

Not really. She has actually skill feats, such as defeating other Amazons (there she clearly wasn't as powerful as in Man's World, so she had similar stats to regular Amazons, stats they gain through their training and skill), and she actually had feats evading and disarming soldiers and destroying Parademons, besides of her skill representations against Ares, Doomsday and Steppenwolf... saying Diana just jumps in with her physicals is like saying Proxima Midnight only defeated Nat and Okoye because of her stats, when she was clearly shown to be skilled as well...

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#41 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11049 posts) - - Show Bio

Ah, I remember the trashy argument in this thread.

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#42 Edited by ANTHP2000 (24927 posts) - - Show Bio

Exceptional arguments for the people siding with Diana.

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#43 Posted by deactivated-5c6891767abb2 (1820 posts) - - Show Bio

In sword fight or archery or knife throwing Diana wins. In h2h BW stomps

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#44 Edited by _KingofLatveria (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

Exceptional arguments for the people siding with Diana.

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Black Widow is a thot, she has no skill admit it

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#45 Posted by ANTHP2000 (24927 posts) - - Show Bio

@_kingoflatveria: Fine. I concede. But didn't she beat that ballsack with a bow once? That has to count for something.

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#46 Posted by Matthew660 (1556 posts) - - Show Bio

They end up becoming friends and complain about how much stronger Superman and Thor is compared to them.

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#47 Posted by Subline (6265 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Widow both rounds.

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#48 Posted by phoenixdiamond616 (1616 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan said:

@mr_shazam0920:

no skill feats, huh?

Of course.

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If you think a fight scene like this is remotely skillful, you are out of your mind. Imagine being in a real fight against a woman and she flips around trying to kick you or you let her slide on the floor in between your legs and hit you on your balls, then you are not a man nor a decent fighter at all.

In Universe logic, Nat should be leagues above these security guards, no matter if they're skilled or stronger, Nat should be able to stomp them... Nat being a human in her universe is comparable to someone being superhuman in this universe

Imagine four guys taking on one woman and they each take turns hitting her instead of dogpilling/jumping her like real people do. These guys superior to her physically still fail to hit her and get easily taken down by her because it's standard movie fighting scenes where things are made to look acrobatic and flashy and not make sense.

Maybe they'd tried to jump her, but Nat is just fast and strong enough to harm three while the other one tries to punch her... anyways, it's a movie in a Universe where humans can breathe in outter space, it doesn't have to make sense...

Blacc Widow has no skill, she's a thot.

I wonder who Diana has outskilled who she didn’t hold a massive stat advantage over and without gear.

Stupid questions and strawman. It would be like asking real soldiers and warriors who they've beat without using a gun or any weapon that they we're trained to use to fight. You don't use your brain at all.

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#49 Posted by Richubs (3398 posts) - - Show Bio

Natasha wins because she has displayed more skill and she has an advantage of having the stats down to her level and not the other way around where she'll have to get used to her speed and strength.

Diana would lose badly since she won't have any of the things her stats provided and won't be used to her decreased stats.

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#50 Posted by ourmanuel (9526 posts) - - Show Bio

Despite his lackluster delivery, jashugan does have a good point when he said that some of her moves were just your typical flashy movie cliche nonsense that has little practical use.

However, I’d say that a solid 75-80% of that fight wasn’t that way, and based on that, she stomps diana(who has near 0 skill showings).