MCU: Black Sky vs Captain America(H2H Only)

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Poll MCU: Black Sky vs Captain America(H2H Only) (149 votes)

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Elektra has better striking power (one-shotted Jessica Jones), skill (teambusted the Defenders three times), and speed (Blocks bullets with her sai). She should win every time.

If Danny can't beat her with the Iron Fist there is nothing Cap can do

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Cap. He is stronger, faster, and more durable. He isn't as skilled, but she isnt that much more skilled. He also hits harder being able to warp steel with his hits. Cap has reacted twice to grenade launchers.

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Cap would win 10/10 in a h2h only fight.

Mid difficulty.

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These Elektra battles are seriously getting boring now.

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Cap. He is stronger, faster, and more durable. He isn't as skilled, but she isnt that much more skilled. He also hits harder being able to warp steel with his hits. Cap has reacted twice to grenade launchers.

Nah she blocked bullets

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These Elektra battles are seriously getting boring now.

Cap is probably the most used character on the battle forums nowadays. He gets used everyday

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@jayc1324:

He is faster in combat. She has never fought as fast as Cap and Bucky did in the highway fight.

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Elektra hits harder and can tank pretty much anything he could throw at her. Would be a good fight but I would have to give it to Elektra. She was crazy amped in this series

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@superhero24: She was faster than Iron Fist, even with chi. I think she can fight on his level of speed.

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Steve has better Striking/Durability whiles Elektra has slightly better skills. I'll go with Steve since he has experience against other skilled enhance fighters. Elektra has fought enhanced individuals with little skills and non enhanced martial artists but never someone with both attributes like Steve.

@cfrehse:She doesn't hit harder than Cap.

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Elektra wins, on par striking strength with Cap, better durability and better speed, skill is debatable.

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h2h cap wins that striking power

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Cap has nothing besides durability on elektra. Elektra wins this for sure

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#17  Edited By Eternal_Knight

I'm just going to say here that, on paper, Elektra is the most skilled in the MCU.

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@jayc1324:

IF fought very reckless in their fight. He also didn't seem at all to be quicker with his chi amp. The fight was still slow compared to Bucky and Cap.

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@superhero24: at what point in the highway scene was anybody fighting super fast? Because is this is fast fighting

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Flash Thompson must be a super soldier:

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@webinyoureye11:

That flash fight isnt as fast. When have they fought at similar speeds to Cap and Bucky? BP is able to easily catch arrows from Hawkeye and Cap fought him just fine. Cap as I said has reacted to grenade launcher speed before which is above arrow speed. He also fought iron man who was capable of dodging a tank shell. Even if he isn't as fast, he still has strength (no explanation needed), striking power (warping steel with hits), and durability (tanking hits from Skull, bionic arm, and Iron man) on her.

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@superhero24: at what point in the highway scene was anybody fighting super fast? Because is this is fast fighting

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Flash Thompson must be a super soldier:

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LMAO !!

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@superhero24: Flash throws 4 punches in 2 seconds, that's as good if not better than what Bucky and Cap were doing.

And if BP catches arrows, Elektra deflects bullets, and she has KO'd Jess (who survived getting hit by a truck going 30+ mph) and Luke with her strikes. And while Luke wasn't 100% when she KO'd him, it's not like he's superman next to green kryptonite or anything, he was just groggy, but his skin was still strong enough to block Elektras swords. So IMO his durability was the same.

I already said Cap has better durability, but Cap hasn't one shot any superhuman, and he doesn't even one shot every fodder he goes up against. I think Elektra hits harder. She seemed close to Luke in strength

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Cap has better feats overall. Elektra didn't tank any particularly powerful Iron Fist and I'm struggling to think of any feat for a standard one above blowing away that steel door. Either way Cap is still much stronger.

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@highaccuser: I think Elektra has better striking power though, she knocked out Jessica in one hit, and Jessica took hits to the face from Luke Cage. Don't remember Cap ever knocking someone with durability like that out so easily.

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@superhero24: Flash throws 4 punches in 2 seconds, that's as good if not better than what Bucky and Cap were doing.

WS was also moving that fast while throwing his knife around and catching it. By scaling they would be insanely fast as well, considering Cap has beaten just about every olympic record by 50 - 100%. Can you show Matt, Elektra, or Danny fighting Cap and Bucky speed?

And if BP catches arrows, Elektra deflects bullets, and she has KO'd Jess (who survived getting hit by a truck going 30+ mph) and Luke with her strikes. And while Luke wasn't 100% when she KO'd him, it's not like he's superman next to green kryptonite or anything, he was just groggy, but his skin was still strong enough to block Elektras swords. So IMO his durability was the same.

That drug messed him up big time, and we have no idea what it did to him. He did fall to the floor after inhaling it. They were even talking about it in the next episode at the police station. You arent the same when drugged. She didnt do anything else to him when he wasnt drugged. Jones also gets hurt from regular people hitting her. Those insane strikes couldnt knock out Matt when they fought twice. Every good feat she has comes from one or two scenes, she doesnt diplay bullet deflecting in numerous scenes or knocking Jones out in a scene. That whole series was very inconsistent. Jessica Jones also throws her in one scene, and hurts her by the throw. That throw wasnt a hard throw. Her victories are majority circumstantial.

I already said Cap has better durability, but Cap hasn't one shot any superhuman, and he doesn't even one shot every fodder he goes up against. I think Elektra hits harder. She seemed close to Luke in strength

Until she warps steel with her blows and tears apart things that can tear through concrete and lift cars, she isnt close to Cap in striking or lifting strength let alone Luke. As I said, the show was inconsistent. her one shotting Jones can for sure be considered an outlier. Cap also lifts Iron Man up after taking a beating and while the propulsion is on. Another feat that puts him way above her in strength. Cap has fought both iron man and Ultron in h2h. Both of whom are superior to Luke in every way. both were losing in h2h against Cap.

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#26  Edited By The_Kidd

@jayc1324: Didn't Jessica get KO by her neighbour using a 2x4?

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@the_kidd said:

@jayc1324: Didn't Jessica get KO by her neighbour using a 2x4?

Yeah but she also took hits from Luke Cage. That's a very low showing, considering she was fighting Hand ninjas with very little problem

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Cap wins

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#29  Edited By Paytience

kCap. He is stilk the best martial artist in the mcu, and he has the stat advantage. Her unorthox style however, and her ability to improv make it a good fight though.

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#30  Edited By Dude_On_A_Phone

People either forgot or didn't watch the last episode of Defenders, because toward the end, Matt matched the hell out of her while being serious. Danny lost because he was reckless. Cap should take her down just fine.

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@superhero24: WS was also moving that fast while throwing his knife around and catching it. By scaling they would be insanely fast as well, considering Cap has beaten just about every olympic record by 50 - 100%. Can you show Matt, Elektra, or Danny fighting Cap and Bucky speed?

The knife tricks are a showing of skill, not speed. And honestly, Cap and Bucky never fight too fast for us to see, but we know by their feats against projectiles, and some other scenes that they are super fast. The same applies to Elektra, but she has much better speed feats

That drug messed him up big time, and we have no idea what it did to him. He did fall to the floor after inhaling it. They were even talking about it in the next episode at the police station. You arent the same when drugged. She didnt do anything else to him when he wasnt drugged.

He also got up and was capable of fighting before getting 1 shot. And as I said, his skin was just as durable as before, so whatever the drug did, it wouldn't have affected his durability. KO'ing Luke and Jess in the same scene is hands down better than anything Cap has done:

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Jones also gets hurt from regular people hitting her. Those insane strikes couldnt knock out Matt when they fought twice.

You can say stuff like Jones gets hurt by regular people, and I can respond with, Cap couldn't 1 shot Batroc, or Rumlow.

Every good feat she has comes from one or two scenes, she doesnt diplay bullet deflecting in numerous scenes or knocking Jones out in a scene. That whole series was very inconsistent. Jessica Jones also throws her in one scene, and hurts her by the throw. That throw wasnt a hard throw. Her victories are majority circumstantial.

Every time she fought the defenders, she was superior to all of them. She owned Luke and Jess at the same time in the restaurant, as well as stomped them in the gif above, and then even manhandled all the defenders in the finale. You are just focusing on the showings you think are low. Jess is very similar in strength as Cap, so Jess hurting her isn't a slight on Elektra

And don't even try to say that shes not a bullet timer, because she only faced 3 bullets, she dodged 2 and slapped one away. Matt, Danny and Luke all have feats of insane reaction time, so them fighting her doesn't take away from her own speed, it just proves they are fast

Until she warps steel with her blows and tears apart things that can tear through concrete and lift cars, she isnt close to Cap in striking or lifting strength let alone Luke. As I said, the show was inconsistent. her one shotting Jones can for sure be considered an outlier.

And how many times has Cap warped steel with a blow? Is it not an outlier because he doesn't do it in every fight? And also, who has Cap ever 1 shot?

Cap also lifts Iron Man up after taking a beating and while the propulsion is on. Another feat that puts him way above her in strength. Cap has fought both iron man and Ultron in h2h. Both of whom are superior to Luke in every way. both were losing in h2h against Cap.

Cap lifted Iron Man, then the repulsors came on. And you can't even quantify how much thrust was being generated from the suit, so all Cap did was lift about 1000lbs over his head, and Jess was able to hold an elevator, so I don't think he is anymore than a 2-5 tonner, which is around where I'd place Jess. And Cap only had the advantage in those fights due to his shield, which he does not have here

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i'm backing elektra. if cap have have his shield he takes the majority tbh,without it elektra wins.

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@highaccuser: I think Elektra has better striking power though, she knocked out Jessica in one hit, and Jessica took hits to the face from Luke Cage. Don't remember Cap ever knocking someone with durability like that out so easily.

When did she knock out Jess it one hit? It took her several hits most of the time.

Luke was holding back when he fought Jess and restraining himself as much as he could against Killgrave. Jess also had the crap kicked out of her by Murakami, knocked out by that 2X4, etc. Cap could definitely one-shot her based on certain showings.

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@jayc1324 said:

@highaccuser: I think Elektra has better striking power though, she knocked out Jessica in one hit, and Jessica took hits to the face from Luke Cage. Don't remember Cap ever knocking someone with durability like that out so easily.

When did she knock out Jess it one hit? It took her several hits most of the time.

Luke was holding back when he fought Jess and restraining himself as much as he could against Killgrave. Jess also had the crap kicked out of her by Murakami, knocked out by that 2X4, etc. Cap could definitely one-shot her based on certain showings.

This. Jess got one shotted by a 90 pound girl. How is knocking her out impressive?

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@highaccuser: When did she knock out Jess it one hit?

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Luke was holding back when he fought Jess and restraining himself as much as he could against Killgrave

Luke was still punching through brick walls, and sending Jess flying with his strikes. Jess absolutely has enhanced durability

Jess also had the crap kicked out of her by Murakami,

Murakami usually cheap shotted Jess from behind. Either way, he survived a fall from at least 100 feet up, and was still alive. Not to mention Bakuto walked through bullets without flinching. The fingers were all enhanced

knocked out by that 2X4

To be fair, I believe Jess wasn't 100% in that scene, and she was still blindsided. She also survived getting hit with a truck

Cap could definitely one-shot her based on certain showings.

Cap has literally only 1 shot fodder who have zero durability feats. He's not 1 shotting Jessica Jones

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@webinyoureye11: That wasn't a one-shot. She hit Jess in the chest a couple times before the kick that dropped her.

Luke was still punching through brick walls, and sending Jess flying with his strikes. Jess absolutely has enhanced durability

Neither of those are feats Cap couldn't easily top.

Murakami usually cheap shotted Jess from behind. Either way, he survived a fall from at least 100 feet up, and was still alive.

Murakami didn't sucker her when they fought in the restaurant. If the fall you're referring to was in that same fight that was certainly not 100 feet and when he fell down the elevator he died. Regardless that's just durability and the Hand always have healing/immortality, but not necessarily strength. He landed hits on Matt and Danny that didn't knock them out or even do much.

Not to mention Bakuto walked through bullets without flinching. The fingers were all enhanced

That was...odd, and not consistent with how Hand immortality was usually portrayed, but that still isn't relevant.

To be fair, I believe Jess wasn't 100% in that scene, and she was still blindsided. She also survived getting hit with a truck

Even getting blindsided it wouldn't knock out someone as durable as you're suggesting. She did survive getting hit by a truck, but the point I'm making is that she's not completely consistent and she definitely has showings of having durability Cap would one-shot.

Cap has literally only 1 shot fodder who have zero durability feats. He's not 1 shotting Jessica Jones

He was tearing apart Ultron Bots and Chitauri. Sure they were jobbers, but they're superior to fodder either way. Jess doesn't have the overall durability and damage soak to take Cap to be honest, but even if she does there's definitely inconsistencies surrounding her durability so one-shotting her doesn't make Elektra stronger than Cap unless you can prove Jessica was operating at a decent durability level.

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@highaccuser: That wasn't a one-shot. She hit Jess in the chest a couple times before the kick that dropped her.

She punched Jess once in the stomach, and then kicked her across the room. Now unless you're saying Jess has a health bar, and lost all her HP in 2 attacks instead of 1, then fine. But IMO, punching someone in the gut isn't gonna make them weaker/ more susceptible to being KO.

Neither of those are feats Cap couldn't easily top.

You go look at Luke's striking feats, and then tell me cap can hit just as hard. And FYI, Cap has never casually swatted someone away like Luke swatted Jess in their fight

Murakami didn't sucker her when they fought in the restaurant. If the fall you're referring to was in that same fight that was certainly not 100 feet and when he fell down the elevator he died. Regardless that's just durability and the Hand always have healing/immortality, but not necessarily strength. He landed hits on Matt and Danny that didn't knock them out or even do much.

Murakami basically hit Jess when she had just taken on 2 guys. It's not like she was expecting him in the restaurant scene. It did lay her out, and later when he blindsided her, she did make the remark that it really hurt. So thats proof that Murakami hits hard. It's consistent with him having enhanced speed and durability. Enhanced strength isn't exactly a leap

That was...odd, and not consistent with how Hand immortality was usually portrayed, but that still isn't relevant.

Just more evidence suggesting the fingers were more than regular humans.

Even getting blindsided it wouldn't knock out someone as durable as you're suggesting. She did survive getting hit by a truck, but the point I'm making is that she's not completely consistent and she definitely has showings of having durability Cap would one-shot.

If you wanna go with consistency, then Jess took multiple hits from Luke Cage, was hit by a truck and took a force blast from Gao that was capable of doing this:

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So Jessica is consistently portrayed as superhuman in terms of her physical stats, and has 1 showing that is undoubtedly low. But if you wanna talk about consistency, then the higher feats are more numerous than her lower ones

He was tearing apart Ultron Bots and Chitauri. Sure they were jobbers, but they're superior to fodder either way. Jess doesn't have the overall durability and damage soak to take Cap to be honest, but even if she does there's definitely inconsistencies surrounding her durability so one-shotting her doesn't make Elektra stronger than Cap unless you can prove Jessica was operating at a decent durability level.

As proven, Jess was portrayed as clearly superhuman in the defenders, and was only hurt by a finger of the hand (someone with enhanced stats) and when she fought Elektra. If you wanna say Murakami is normal and hurt Jess, well I can say the same about Batroc vs Cap. Everyone has low showings, but I prefer to look at the showings of people when they are at their best.

One shotting ultron bots is nice and all, but if I were to take the same approach as you, even Hawkeye was holding them off, I believe a slo mo shot showed him throwing his bow at them lol.

My overall point is, Cap has never 1 shot anyone with durability feats on the level of both Luke Cage and Jessica Jones.

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Cap lifted Iron Man, then the repulsors came on. And you can't even quantify how much thrust was being generated from the suit, so all Cap did was lift about 1000lbs over his head, and Jess was able to hold an elevator, so I don't think he is anymore than a 2-5 tonner, which is around where I'd place Jess. And Cap only had the advantage in those fights due to his shield, which he does not have here

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@highaccuser said:
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@highaccuser: I think Elektra has better striking power though, she knocked out Jessica in one hit, and Jessica took hits to the face from Luke Cage. Don't remember Cap ever knocking someone with durability like that out so easily.

When did she knock out Jess it one hit? It took her several hits most of the time.

Luke was holding back when he fought Jess and restraining himself as much as he could against Killgrave. Jess also had the crap kicked out of her by Murakami, knocked out by that 2X4, etc. Cap could definitely one-shot her based on certain showings.

Someone else already showed Elektra one-shotting her so I'll assume you looked at it. The 2x4 is a low showing when she has taken hits from Luke Cage, who casually punches through steel. Luke was bloodlusted against Jessica, he can't resist Kilgrave, that is his whole power. And Murakami never KO'd Jessica. There is a huge difference between hurting someone and knocking them out

I don't believe Cap can one-shot her because he has never one-shotted anyone with her durability. If Cap and Luke's strength/striking power are equal or around the same, and Luke couldn't one-shot her, why would Cap? And that is being generous since I think Luke is even stronger than Cap. Cap never one-shots people of that durability level. And I am not making the argument of "he has never done it, therefore he can't", but if she has tanked hits from people on or above Cap's level then it makes sense he isn't one-shotting her, even with all of his great feats

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@webinyoureye11 said:

Cap lifted Iron Man, then the repulsors came on. And you can't even quantify how much thrust was being generated from the suit, so all Cap did was lift about 1000lbs over his head, and Jess was able to hold an elevator, so I don't think he is anymore than a 2-5 tonner, which is around where I'd place Jess. And Cap only had the advantage in those fights due to his shield, which he does not have here

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What about it? That's no better than pulling the helicopter with 1 arm. Unless you wanna explain how much thrust was generated/ how much force Cap use to counter it. And this is a lifting strength feat, not a striking feat which is where I think Elektra is superior to Cap

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@jayc1324:

Someone else already showed Elektra one-shotting her so I'll assume you looked at it.

Yeah, but I don't agree that it was a one-shot and she didn't one-shot Jessica in their other fights.

The 2x4 is a low showing when she has taken hits from Luke Cage, who casually punches through steel.

Luke does not casually punch through steel, or even at all. He bends much weaker metals and I'm not even positive he could dent steel without an extended amount of time. It legit takes 20 tons PSI just to dent it.

Luke was bloodlusted against Jessica, he can't resist Kilgrave, that is his whole power.

Kilgrave had a harder time controlling Luke than he does normal people, he had to repeat himself when commanding Luke at one point. Luke even managed to tell Jess to shoot him by the end. He could put up some resistance.

And Murakami never KO'd Jessica. There is a huge difference between hurting someone and knocking them out

I'd say he showed enough strength to suggest he could've easily knocked her out. Hell he did with a sucker attack.

I don't believe Cap can one-shot her because he has never one-shotted anyone with her durability.

That's kinda faulty logic, he's never tried and failed. If he has the feats to one-shot her then he doesn't need to explicitly one-shot someone with her durability. By that same token she's never really taken hits from someone as strong as Cap that wasn't holding back.

If Cap and Luke's strength/striking power are equal or around the same, and Luke couldn't one-shot her, why would Cap? And that is being generous since I think Luke is even stronger than Cap.

Luke could one-shot her if he wanted TBH. And honestly durability is Luke's strong suit, Cap has better striking feats IMO.

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She punched Jess once in the stomach, and then kicked her across the room. Now unless you're saying Jess has a health bar, and lost all her HP in 2 attacks instead of 1, then fine. But IMO, punching someone in the gut isn't gonna make them weaker/ more susceptible to being KO.

So it was a two-shot. A punch to the gut would still hurt.

You go look at Luke's striking feats, and then tell me cap can hit just as hard. And FYI, Cap has never casually swatted someone away like Luke swatted Jess in their fight

Cap sent a military truck skidding, but more importantly I was talking about those specific hits Luke gave when he was holding back.

Murakami basically hit Jess when she had just taken on 2 guys. It's not like she was expecting him in the restaurant scene.

Yeah but he didn't sneak on her or anything. I'm talking about their second run in when she was getting Trish, she hadn't fought anyone right before and wasn't suckered.

It did lay her out, and later when he blindsided her, she did make the remark that it really hurt. So thats proof that Murakami hits hard. It's consistent with him having enhanced speed and durability. Enhanced strength isn't exactly a leap

Peak human maybe, he wouldn't need to be enhanced. Either way he couldn't one-shot Danny or Matt.

If you wanna go with consistency, then Jess took multiple hits from Luke Cage, was hit by a truck and took a force blast from Gao that was capable of doing this:

Poisoned Danny also took a blast from Gao...

So Jessica is consistently portrayed as superhuman in terms of her physical stats, and has 1 showing that is undoubtedly low. But if you wanna talk about consistency, then the higher feats are more numerous than her lower ones

Her high end feats are only slightly more frequent.

As proven, Jess was portrayed as clearly superhuman in the defenders, and was only hurt by a finger of the hand (someone with enhanced stats) and when she fought Elektra. If you wanna say Murakami is normal and hurt Jess, well I can say the same about Batroc vs Cap. Everyone has low showings, but I prefer to look at the showings of people when they are at their best.

Batroc never hurt Cap. Murakami might not be normal but he's not comparable to Cap. Jess just doesn't have enough of a feat basis to justify what's a low showing for her.

One shotting ultron bots is nice and all, but if I were to take the same approach as you, even Hawkeye was holding them off, I believe a slo mo shot showed him throwing his bow at them lol.

They did start jobbing like I said, but you asked for instances of him one-shotting superhuman opponents so there you go.

My overall point is, Cap has never 1 shot anyone with durability feats on the level of both Luke Cage and Jessica Jones.

Those are two very different levels.

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Yeah, but I don't agree that it was a one-shot and she didn't one-shot Jessica in their other fights.

Elektra also doesn't one shot Matt and Luke every time they fought but so what? She still has the capability to.

Luke does not casually punch through steel, or even at all. He bends much weaker metals and I'm not even positive he could dent steel without an extended amount of time. It legit takes 20 tons PSI just to dent it.

He casually bends and punches through some type of metal. Maybe it isn't steel but his punching power and strength is undeniably on Cap's level

Kilgrave had a harder time controlling Luke than he does normal people, he had to repeat himself when commanding Luke at one point. Luke even managed to tell Jess to shoot him by the end. He could put up some resistance.

True, but Luke can KO people by literally tapping their heads, even taking a punch he holds back on is superhuman durability.

I'd say he showed enough strength to suggest he could've easily knocked her out. Hell he did with a sucker attack.

Well the punches you don't see are the ones that get you, because you can't brace for them.

I don't believe Cap can one-shot her because he has never one-shotted anyone with her durability.

That's kinda faulty logic, he's never tried and failed. If he has the feats to one-shot her then he doesn't need to explicitly one-shot someone with her durability. By that same token she's never really taken hits from someone as strong as Cap that wasn't holding back.

He couldn't one-shot Bucky, Rumlow, or even Batroc.

If Cap and Luke's strength/striking power are equal or around the same, and Luke couldn't one-shot her, why would Cap? And that is being generous since I think Luke is even stronger than Cap.

Luke could one-shot her if he wanted TBH. And honestly durability is Luke's strong suit, Cap has better striking feats IMO.

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@highaccuser: So it was a two-shot. A punch to the gut would still hurt.

I don't believe hitting someone in the gut makes it easier to KO someone. I don't think I need to explain that in order to KO someone, you have to send their brain into their skull. And that task would be significantly more difficult against someone with enhanced durability

Cap sent a military truck skidding, but more importantly I was talking about those specific hits Luke gave when he was holding back.

Cap has never done something like this:

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Nor has Cap KO'd anyone with a tap in the head

Yeah but he didn't sneak on her or anything. I'm talking about their second run in when she was getting Trish, she hadn't fought anyone right before and wasn't suckered.

So you're talking about the fight where DD saved Jess? In which case, Murakami hit Jess while her back was turned, and she had no idea he was there. Murakami even sent Luke moving back, as well as countered Luke while he was pinned by Luke on a car. He had enhanced strength

Peak human maybe, he wouldn't need to be enhanced. Either way he couldn't one-shot Danny or Matt.

So I guess Cap isn't that strong because he never 1 shot Batroc, Rumlow or half the guys on the ship scene in winter soldier? Lets be reasonable. Matt and Danny also took hits from Elektra, so it's consistent with their showings in the show.

Poisoned Danny also took a blast from Gao...

Sounds like a good feat for Danny

Or is Gao's concrete busting, send-a-car a dozen+ feet away, also managing to pin Luke Cage, force blast soft?

Her high end feats are only slightly more frequent

You got 1 low showing to 4 other better showings, but sure, go with what you want

Batroc never hurt Cap. Murakami might not be normal but he's not comparable to Cap. Jess just doesn't have enough of a feat basis to justify what's a low showing for her.

I never compared Murakami to Cap. I'm just saying that his ability to hurt people like Jess and Luke means he's strong, not that they are weak. Otherwise Batroc knocking Cap down would mean Cap isn't super either, at least if you hold Jess to that standard.

And Jess has taken hits from Nuke, Luke, Murakami and a truck, you've got one low showing and giving it more weight than it deserves in order to downplay Jess.

They did start jobbing like I said, but you asked for instances of him one-shotting superhuman opponents so there you go.

But if they were being beaten away by Black Widow and Hawkeye, then 1 shotting them isn't that impressive, right? I mean if you wanna argue consistency, the ultron bots have more low showings then they have high, do they not?

Unless consistency is only a suitable nitpick for Jess

Those are two very different levels.

Which both put Elektra's striking feats on a level Cap hasn't shown.

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Damn, the opinions are all over the place.

Cap wins he's stronger and faster but less skilled.

Elektra wins she's stronger and faster. Lmao

Make up your damn minds!

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Damn, the opinions are all over the place.

Cap wins he's stronger and faster but less skilled.

Elektra wins she's stronger and faster. Lmao

Make up your damn minds!

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Cap is not as strong as Luke, just wanted to get that straight. Luke casually tapped a guy's forehead to knock him out lmao.

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@the_magister: multiple times too. And he effortlessly broke 200+ lbs looking dudes bones when he stormed the Crispus Attucks building.

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@the_magister: multiple times too. And he effortlessly broke 200+ lbs looking dudes bones when he stormed the Crispus Attucks building.

Yep. Cap, on the other hand, has to actively make an effort to send people flying and has to fight skillfully against trained opponents.