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#201 Posted by DanielDaRipper (5431 posts) - - Show Bio
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#202 Posted by clownprinceofcrime1995 (5178 posts) - - Show Bio

@danieldaripper:

Based on what? Batman’s Combat speed is a lot faster, strength wise they’re around the same and bats has a lot of gadgets that would help like glue grenades, explosives, stun grenades, grapple gun and shock gloves.

On top of that there’s a massive skill gap between them, bats has better skills and has taken down much better H2H fighters than BP. Has BP actually won a fight in the MCU yet?

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#203 Posted by DanielDaRipper (5431 posts) - - Show Bio

@clownprinceofcrime1995: Being in a physical struggle with Bucky's metal arm is much more impressive then anything Bruce has done, despite Ironman being heavily nerfed in Civil War, Bucky being able to move the arm is very impressive, Bruce has stated multiple times he cannot dodge a bullet, his best combat speed feat is repeatedly blocking Deathstrokes strikes but T'Challa fought on par with both Cap and Bucky who both have much more impressive combat speed feats, durability no brainer with the suit.

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#204 Posted by Elijah_C_Washington (4618 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see how the way Arkham Bats fights isn't too much for T'Challa by itself. I don't know where people are getting the words "much faster" from either seeing as arrow timing isn't anything to write home about even when taking the handful of anti-reaction feats Bruce has to his name into account. The vibranium suit is, without a doubt, Panther's greatest asset but if Widow's taser could stall him, the remote electrical charge should work just fine, and he's been able to quickfire that thing since Origins if I'm not mistaken.

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#205 Posted by clownprinceofcrime1995 (5178 posts) - - Show Bio

@danieldaripper:

You mean bucky’s very inconsistent arm. Bucky and cap aren’t a good measuring sticks as their ability varies with plot. Cap can beat Ironman yet struggles against normal humans. And bats has KO’d multiple Titan soilders with relative ease as well as taking bane H2H twice before he took the modified venom along with beating shiva, ra’s whilst dying, deathstroke and copperhead whilst poisoned and hallucinating.

What speed feats do cap and Bucky have? Most of the fights are incredibly slow and look like street brawls. Get up to a 100x combo on Arkham knight and see how fast bats is.

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#206 Posted by DanielDaRipper (5431 posts) - - Show Bio

@elijah_c_washington: He's faster because he's kept up with established opponents like Cap and Bucky, Deathstrokes best feat was against Batman, read post #189 I show why I don't think the Remote Electric Charge would work on T'Challa.

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#207 Edited by Kingnemo (282 posts) - - Show Bio

Black panther

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#208 Posted by foxerdes (10163 posts) - - Show Bio

@danieldaripper: Arkham Batman's best speed feat is dodging an RPG after it was fired.

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#209 Posted by DanielDaRipper (5431 posts) - - Show Bio

@clownprinceofcrime1995: We have their base feats like busting concrete and much more, if you wanna talk about inconsistencies Bane was trapped in a elevator yet pushes through cars away, KO Titans with ease, last I checked you need to stun the Titans only for you to repeatedly punch them in the head, far from easy, all those other characters you mentioned best feats are you guessed it going up against Batman and losing, Cap and Bucky are not slow, Bucky himself bullet timed, Cap on multiple occasions reacted to grenades fired by grenade launchers.

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#210 Posted by DanielDaRipper (5431 posts) - - Show Bio

@foxerdes: While a good feat, he only barely dodged it and it was a very far distance.

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#211 Posted by Komboing (1134 posts) - - Show Bio

If were gonna go by the "Everyone who isn't live action is better than live action fighters rule", which I normally do then Batman wins, but otherwise, Id say BP, especially if it's unarmed.

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#212 Edited by CrucifyMeAtDawn (2 posts) - - Show Bio

I love how all of these focus on strength when Batman has proven again and again how it never has become a factor in defeating other much more powerful characters. I'm sure Panther would know this as well if he went hand to hand against him, Batman has the upper hand in fighting skills and gadgets, you could toss cars all day at him until he gets bored of dodging and sends a batrang to knock you between the eyes and allow you lose grip and have that car fall on your head. As good as Panther is in the comics(Since I find MCU Panther inferior) I'd say Batman in this case would have the match under control the entire time ending it with Panther hanging of the side of a building with some batrangs deep in him xD

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#213 Posted by clownprinceofcrime1995 (5178 posts) - - Show Bio

@danieldaripper:

He hasn’t bullet timed and cap hasn’t dodged anything impressive.

Like how you completely dodged the fact that bats is by far more skilled and could take BP down with equipment alone.

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#214 Edited by Elijah_C_Washington (4618 posts) - - Show Bio

@danieldaripper: It's not like Cap and Bucky's combat speed is more impressive than Batman's--they have next to no feats in that department. This isn't even to mention Cap either dodged or blocked nearly every single one of T'Challa's strikes. And if w'ere talking about Slade, Deathstroke, in my opinion, is significantly faster than Cap or Bucky or Panther by virtue of his ability to dodge every projectile you can throw at him without end, yet Batman can land over 20 hits on him in a row, never even giving him the chance to react.

Speed wasn't my main argument though, even though it's in Bruce's corner by quite a large margin. My main argument, the one that you ignored (would've been willing to elaborate) is that it's Bruce's fighting style that is simply too much for him. Even though his reaction feats against projectiles are lacking, he's capable of dodging around and getting behind his opponents to an extent that is unseen in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Moreover, he's capable of making use of just about every gadget he has in close quarters, including smoke bombs, explosive gel and so on. He is capable of so much more than T'Challa or anyone he's fought, and I don't see how Panther would not be overwhelmed for that reason.

read post #189 I show why I don't think the Remote Electric Charge would work on T'Challa.

Because it can't kill people? No, nothing in that video shows that it would not work on T'Challa, it's built only to stun people and it does it just as well as the Widow's bite. The only viable way around it I've seen anybody bring up is that it moves pretty slow. Still, from what I remember Panther seemed to tank or attempt to tank such attacks on his suit slightly more often than avoid them in character, and I definitely don't see him using his reaction time and agility to avoid the amount of attacks he'd have to to give this argument much credence while bloodlusted of all things. Regardless, I never said the remote electrical charge would decide the fight in itself, I only stated it gives him a very feasible counter to Panther's vibranium in general, and that said vibranium is no doubt the biggest edge he holds over Batman in this fight rather than his stats, least of all his "superior" speed.

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#215 Posted by DanielDaRipper (5431 posts) - - Show Bio

@danieldaripper:

He hasn’t bullet timed and cap hasn’t dodged anything impressive.

Like how you completely dodged the fact that bats is by far more skilled and could take BP down with equipment alone.

Bucky has bullet timed

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How is Batman more skilled? T'Challa comes from an entire family of warriors and has taken on more established opponents like Bucky a highly trained assassin who has been operating ever since around the 1940's, I can already see the Ras Al Ghul argument to which I say Ras hasn't shown any other feats except losing to Batman from my memory that even compares to what Bucky has done, speed well T'Challa went toe to toe with Bucky and Cap now lets see their combat speeds

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Equipment won't be an issue Batman's explosives gel can either be planted and not 1 shot thugs or shot which still doesn't 1 shot thugs, his remote electric charge cannot 1 shot thugs either while widow bites can, sonic baterang to me is the only thing that'll hurt T'Challa but nothing else.

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#216 Edited by clownprinceofcrime1995 (5178 posts) - - Show Bio

@danieldaripper:

Mate that’s not bullet timing. That’s “someone’s gonna shoot let me protect my face” and cap blocked a slow moving projectile with his shield. Not impressive at all.

Combat speeds are nowhere near and I’d appreciate it if you didn’t use cherry picked examples of an on rails fight scene in a game. Look at a high combo challenge map of around 100x for combat speed. I also like how you didn’t actually use a scene with BP in it for combat speed.

You’re using comic knowledge for the highly trained warrior part. We have nothing to prove than the BPs before him were any good at all and if we’re using that batman has been trained in every martial art on the planet by the finest martial artists including Wonder Woman who has literally thousands of years practice and even in the games has beaten 4 big fighters. Cap and Bucky even in the comics don’t scratch the top ten just in marvel.

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#217 Posted by DanielDaRipper (5431 posts) - - Show Bio

@danieldaripper:

Mate that’s not bullet timing. That’s “someone’s gonna shoot let me protect my face” and cap blocked a slow moving projectile with his shield. Not impressive at all.

Combat speeds are nowhere near and I’d appreciate it if you didn’t use cherry picked examples of an on rails fight scene in a game. Look at a high combo challenge map of around 100x for combat speed. I also like how you didn’t actually use a scene with BP in it for combat speed.

You’re using comic knowledge for the highly trained warrior part. We have nothing to prove than the BPs before him were any good at all and if we’re using that batman has been trained in every martial art on the planet by the finest martial artists including Wonder Woman who has literally thousands of years practice and even in the games has beaten 4 big fighters. Cap and Bucky even in the comics don’t scratch the top ten just in marvel.

How is it not, gun fires Bucky goes from stationary to blocking a bullet which should be impossible in real life but Bucky does it, grenade launchers aren't slow don't know where you got your info from, challenge maps are not canon and depend on the player, as I inferred I will be using Cap and Bucky as measuring sticks, I'm not using comic knowledge I'm using trailer knowledge

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We see multiple times in the trailer T'Challa is being trained by his natives, if I were using comic knowledge BP would absolutely stomp Batman, Cap and Bucky aren't top 10 because Marvel has OP martial artists like Gamora, Danny Rand, Karnak, Mr. X etc only martial artist from DC that would stomp these characters are KK and that's it.

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#218 Posted by clownprinceofcrime1995 (5178 posts) - - Show Bio

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@danieldaripper:

Because he’s already moving, you should know by now bullet timing is being able to dodge a bullet that had already been fires. Preemptively moving doesn’t count. And a grenade launcher is a slow moving projectile in comics that most street level characters should react to.

You’re assuming that the BP linage are all amazing warriors which isn’t even inferred in the film and has no feats to back it up due to BP losing all of his fights.

They’re not OP martial artists deadpool beat taskmaster ffs and taskmaster wipes the floor with cap in H2H.

Also btw don’t go by trailers they’re not reliable, scenes can be removed from the actual film or changed context.

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#219 Posted by DanielDaRipper (5431 posts) - - Show Bio

@clownprinceofcrime1995: His arm wasn't in front of his face but when the bullet is fired it moves up, T'Challa in quote says "The Black Panther has been a protector of Wakanda for generations. A mantle passed from warrior to warrior. Now because your friend murdered my father, I also wear the mantle of king. So I ask you, as both warrior and king, how long do you think you can keep your friend safe from me?" to Steve so yes he does come from a line of warriors, how is Gamora not OP, she literally hurt Thanos of all beings with pure skill, Deadpool beat Taskmaster because he is unpredictable not through his skill, we don't know if any of those clips will be cut out but either way I think I proved my point.

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#220 Edited by clownprinceofcrime1995 (5178 posts) - - Show Bio

@danieldaripper:

For a start the bullet hits his shoulder not his hand so if he was bullet timing (he wasn’t) he missed. Bullet timing would be him dodging the bullets. Esoicaly due to his movement speed being nowhere near fast enough to beat a bullet.

You realise exposition isn’t a feat right? Or else SMP1M would win against LT and he doesn’t.

You mean Thanos who lost to squirrel girl? Without PIS thanks pimp slaps gamora into next week.

Dead pool still beat taskmaster and taskmaster cleans the floor with cap. Other than the more realistic Batman’s from the 1966-2012 films any other cleans the floor with MCU cap. Comics, Arkham, cartoons and batfleck alike.

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#221 Posted by john_doe_0897 (3386 posts) - - Show Bio

Idk how bats gets through the suit but I still want to give the win. He beat stronger foes like bane and killer croc so his strikes should do SOMETHING to Black panther but his gear is really what does it for him

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#222 Posted by clownprinceofcrime1995 (5178 posts) - - Show Bio

@john_doe_0897:

Stun gun, concussion grenade, ice/glue grenade and then take off the mask to KO him.

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#223 Edited by john_doe_0897 (3386 posts) - - Show Bio

@clownprinceofcrime1995: I gave bats the win due to his gadgets but Black panther NO SOLD machine gun fire so that suit isn't concerned about any explosives on Bats belt. If he can freeze him then I can see that working or the glue thing but that's about it. And BP isn't gonna sit and allow it.

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#224 Edited by ANTHP2000 (26962 posts) - - Show Bio

Panther dies.

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#225 Posted by clownprinceofcrime1995 (5178 posts) - - Show Bio

@john_doe_0897:

Electricity works on BP because black widow used it and bats has the electric gun and shock gloves.

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#226 Posted by john_doe_0897 (3386 posts) - - Show Bio

@clownprinceofcrime1995: yes but he fought throughout it and was fine. It delayed him, not stopped him. And she snuck and did it because he thought she was on his side.

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#227 Edited by clownprinceofcrime1995 (5178 posts) - - Show Bio

@john_doe_0897:

And? Batman can punch him with shock gloves capable of resus and with a gun that can one shot people. Plus a massive speed advantage in H2H

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#228 Posted by Dave_East (35 posts) - - Show Bio

Bats, the only reason why this isn't a stomp is because of bp's armor.

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#229 Edited by Kirkseven (2699 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, Black Panthers armor is the only reason he isn't going to get horribly defeated.

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#230 Posted by joshua755 (3902 posts) - - Show Bio

@dave_east: For now let’s wait till the Black Panther movie to see if he gets even more good feats

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#231 Posted by lubub55 (12905 posts) - - Show Bio

This is even more of a mismatch now.

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#232 Posted by tj849 (8569 posts) - - Show Bio

ARKHAM BATMAN MURDERSTOMPS, ALL HE NEEDS TO DO IS ACTIVATE HIS SHOCK GLOVES AND ITS ALL OVER FOR FODDER BP

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#233 Posted by clownprinceofcrime1995 (5178 posts) - - Show Bio

@tj849 said:

ARKHAM BATMAN MURDERSTOMPS, ALL HE NEEDS TO DO IS ACTIVATE HIS SHOCK GLOVES AND ITS ALL OVER FOR FODDER BP

I do think the result here is based on player skill. If you're shit at the Arkham games you're gonna say BP if you're halfway decent you'll says Bats and if you can get into the 100's on a combo you realise Bats curbstomps.

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#234 Edited by Kingnemo (282 posts) - - Show Bio

MCU black panther can absorb and redirect energy now. Shocking him will not work.

Black Panther murderstomps

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#235 Posted by ThunderPrince (6968 posts) - - Show Bio

Black panther wins due to his claws and his suit.

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#236 Posted by ITouchedTheBoat (3390 posts) - - Show Bio

If I play as Batman, he murderstomps. I don't wanna brag but...I once beat Arkham City without even getting hit...so yeah

I'm pretty great

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#237 Edited by Shyaam (59 posts) - - Show Bio

DAYYYUUUM!!! This battle is a tough one. After givin it a lotta thought, id say bp takes the win.

Although batman had crazy feats from arkham, he'd lose. Bp traded blows with cap, won in fight with bucky (if it werent for scarlet bitch, bucky would've lost more than an arm). His speed is at 30mph during the chase scene (trust me, it is). He tanked bullets from a gatling gun like it was a fucking nerf bullet. There is nothin bruce could do to hurt him except bring the batwing, but that shoots similar bullets. And to top it all bp has a fuckin COUNTRY behind him with loads of vibranium. Best'o luck batboy

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#238 Edited by Batfreak2424 (747 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman wins, more skilled, more gadgets, more experience very durable armour, Batman could utilize his grappling gun, explosive gel and shock gun

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#239 Posted by deactivated-5b2121a0a9a00 (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman quite solidly

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#240 Posted by KanyeCosby (7067 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman

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#241 Posted by SoImMe (304 posts) - - Show Bio

BP

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#242 Posted by ANTHP2000 (26962 posts) - - Show Bio

Panther has a shot, but it's not too much of a shot really.

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#243 Posted by Sy8000 (35232 posts) - - Show Bio

If we're gonna use tie-in feats for Black Panther we have to do the same for Batman and Batman stomps even harder in that case.

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#245 Posted by Sophisticated_Ignorance (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Panther, BP no sells grenade blasts, theres not a thing in Batmans arsenal that can even hurt BP.

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#246 Posted by laflux (24723 posts) - - Show Bio

@sy8008 said:

If we're gonna use tie-in feats for Black Panther we have to do the same for Batman and Batman stomps even harder in that case.

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#247 Posted by laflux (24723 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Panther, BP no sells grenade blasts, theres not a thing in Batmans arsenal that can even hurt BP.

He was hurt/stunned by less though tbh.

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#248 Posted by tj849 (8569 posts) - - Show Bio

Bats ghosts him

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#249 Posted by deactivated-5bb6a6f86dc65 (4972 posts) - - Show Bio

Panther in a close fight.

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#250 Edited by ANTHP2000 (26962 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman can win rather handily.